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[Kyle Dei]

People already said you could go two ways to finding Tali. Garrus/Dr. Michel or Wrex/Fist.

[Giogiogio4]

Then Dr Michel's is GOD no wait his BOSS that HIRED him is Boss! or his bosses boss or his bosses bosses fathers mother is God! no wait the Reapers who allowed their exsistence to be after killing the prothens are gods...





The REAPERS are GODS thus > All

[Voicebox]

Kyle Dei wrote...

Voicebox wrote...

Kyle Dei wrote...

For the last time I'm not a Tali fan. Yes, without Liara you wouldn't have known it was Ilos you had to go to. But the story would never have got that far without Tali in the first place. Simple Logic. You can not rewrite the storyline to fit your 'Liara did more'.

Yes, she told you the planet was Ilos. Maybe she recovered Shep off her own back. I do not care for the comics. Without Tali being able to save some of the Geth memory, then this entire story would have ended at the citadel.

actually Liara does say in the game that she saved shepard but its a very easily missed scene.

Thanks Voicebox, I did miss that. But it seems Liara was still working for the Shadow Broker at the time. Doesn't neccessarily prove she was looking for Shep.

Very true. Yeah I missed it too someone showed it to me, apparently if you pick one of the other options you lose that as option. So if you don't pick it first you can't pick it at all.

[Justin2k]

Barquiel wrote...

Justin2k wrote...


Except I'm not a "Tali-mancer".  I just feel that she is a superior squad mate to Liara, something which the majority seems to agree and something which seems to upset you far more than video game characters should.

Seriously, just move on.  It really is just a game.

Someone really hates Liara...or didn't play ME1:whistle:

I played ME1 and have no problem with Liara.  There are just much better characters, and she really isn't that important.  Thus why its actually optional to even see her in ME2.

[Giogiogio4]

So its Reapers > Dr Michels bosses bosses fathers mother >Dr Michels bosses boss> Dr Michels Boss> Dr Michels Teachers> Dr Michels Parents> Dr Michels> Tali> Liara.



Now it makes sense.

[Mox Ruuga]

Kyle Dei wrote...

People already said you could go two ways to finding Tali. Garrus/Dr. Michel or Wrex/Fist.

True.

Fist is the true GOD of Mass Effect. He heroically manages to lead you to the quarian. How could you find the meeting place otherwise?

If not for Fist, the game would be over before we even know what the evidence is! The quarian would have disappeared without a trace.

All hail Fist, the unsung hero!

[BECC4]

Kaidan, if he hadn't investigated the beacon in the first place Shep, wouldn't have pushed him out of the way, imparting the knowledge to her instead, Saren would have had no opposition, the Reapers would already have invaded by now and we'd all be dead.
I win

[Cutlass Jack]

BECC4 wrote...

Kaidan, if he hadn't investigated the beacon in the first place Shep, wouldn't have pushed him out of the way, imparting the knowledge to her instead, Saren would have had no opposition, the Reapers would already have invaded by now and we'd all be dead.
I win

only 50% of the time.

[Barquiel]

Justin2k wrote...

Barquiel wrote...

Justin2k wrote...


Except I'm not a "Tali-mancer".  I just feel that she is a superior squad mate to Liara, something which the majority seems to agree and something which seems to upset you far more than video game characters should.

Seriously, just move on.  It really is just a game.

Someone really hates Liara...or didn't play ME1:whistle:

I played ME1 and have no problem with Liara.  There are just much better characters, and she really isn't that important.  Thus why its actually optional to even see her in ME2.

It is optional to see her in ME2 because the devs wanted to make sure she survives ME2 (if we believe Casey Hudson)

[DigitalMaster37]

Giogiogio4 wrote...

No1 can take your choice seriously because your entire profile box for your post spams ( OMGZ Liaraz is #1 ) christ look at your sig as well. I agree with Tali not because im a fanboy. I agree with her because shes still in the game,not dead, and didnt ditch out. shes still in th egame from ME1 while almost everyone else but joker and the med bay woman is gone.

I am literally laughing at you. You are an obvious troll trying not to be obvious. classIC!

[KainrycKarr]

Barquiel wrote...

Giogiogio4 wrote...

Lol without TALIS proof of Sarens betrayel Shepard wouldnt have ever been a Spector thus finding Liara to even save her and she wouldve been dead.

Tali is the reason Liara lives and if Liara is that important then Tali is her GOD.

Haha.

Dr Michel tells Shepard about Tali

Dr. Michel>Tali?

Hey...I liked her accent.

[Barquiel]

KainrycKarr wrote...

Barquiel wrote...

Dr Michel tells Shepard about Tali

Dr. Michel>Tali?

Hey...I liked her accent.

same here:wub:

[Justin2k]

Barquiel wrote...

Justin2k wrote...

Barquiel wrote...

Justin2k wrote...


Except I'm not a "Tali-mancer".  I just feel that she is a superior squad mate to Liara, something which the majority seems to agree and something which seems to upset you far more than video game characters should.

Seriously, just move on.  It really is just a game.

Someone really hates Liara...or didn't play ME1:whistle:

I played ME1 and have no problem with Liara.  There are just much better characters, and she really isn't that important.  Thus why its actually optional to even see her in ME2.

It is optional to see her in ME2 because the devs wanted to make sure she survives ME2 (if we believe Casey Hudson)

That isn't an official quote as far as I know.  And if it is, its most likely for another cameo/non playable appearance.

I think its extremely unlikely Liara will be back, although anything is possible.  But there are far more likely candidates. 

You can only assist Liara in ME2 if you are renegade, or willing to pick up renegade points.  Liara is not a good guy anymore.  I think its far more likely that you will fight her in ME3 than have her as a playable character.

Modifié par Justin2k, 09 février 2010 - 08:09 .

[BECC4]

Cutlass Jack wrote...

BECC4 wrote...

Kaidan, if he hadn't investigated the beacon in the first place Shep, wouldn't have pushed him out of the way, imparting the knowledge to her instead, Saren would have had no opposition, the Reapers would already have invaded by now and we'd all be dead.
I win

only 50% of the time.

Lol but Kaidan and Ash are the same person just in alternate realities 

Oh and they co-exist sometimes too

Modifié par BECC4, 09 février 2010 - 08:11 .

[DigitalMaster37]

Shavon wrote...

Ouch, if this is going to turn into a Tali vs. Liara thread, well, I once again will say Liara. Tali has a couple of contributions, then Shep has to be Knight in Shining armor for her. Shepard has to be said Knight sheerly by chance for Liara, once, then she helps him kick ass, and saves his (her ass mutliple times afterwards.

No offense to our beloved quarian, but I never use her in battle, Liara and Garrus are just more useful. I'll rescind what I say about Miranda, only because we haven't read the rest of the comic yet, but all in all, it's Liara that wins. Everyone else is a minor support, some contributing more than others.

Edit:  Of course Kaidan is second on the list.  Two of my three main Sheps wouldn't know what to do without him

don't mind them, they are actually making themselves look like idiots of epic proportions. It is clear a good percentage of Tali fans are babies just waiting to be fed. Which is why they are so sensitive and lacking in confidence. This is classic Talimancer stuff and they think this is normal.

The funny thing is: anyone who played both games, read the comic and books, know that Liara is the most vital squaddie and NPC. There is no longer a need to argue the point as I have already decided to stop arguing.

[Barquiel]

Justin2k wrote...


I think its extremely unlikely Liara will be back, although anything is possible.  But there are far more likely candidates. 

for example?

Liara is the only character who always survives ME1/ME2

[Cutlass Jack]

Shavon wrote...

Ouch, if this is going to turn into a Tali vs. Liara thread, well, I once again will say Liara. Tali has a couple of contributions, then Shep has to be Knight in Shining armor for her. Shepard has to be said Knight sheerly by chance for Liara, once, then she helps him kick ass, and saves his (her ass mutliple times afterwards.

No offense to our beloved quarian, but I never use her in battle, Liara and Garrus are just more useful. I'll rescind what I say about Miranda, only because we haven't read the rest of the comic yet, but all in all, it's Liara that wins. Everyone else is a minor support, some contributing more than others.

Edit:  Of course Kaidan is second on the list.  Two of my three main Sheps wouldn't know what to do without him

Well if you want to go by actual squad usage, thats going to vary quite a bit by game. Tali was far, far more useful than Liara for me. My Vanguard Shepard would have been stopped by every lock and decode in the galaxy in ME1. And that game was so Geth heavy she was about the most useful of allies. AI Hacking was an amazing thing, especially when she took control of Geth Turrets in the endgame. Such mayhem.

Of course she was a more useful squadmate than Liara in ME2 as well but thats an unfair comparison.

[Sageless Ranger]

Justin2k wrote...

Barquiel wrote...

Justin2k wrote...

Barquiel wrote...

Justin2k wrote...


Except I'm not a "Tali-mancer".  I just feel that she is a superior squad mate to Liara, something which the majority seems to agree and something which seems to upset you far more than video game characters should.

Seriously, just move on.  It really is just a game.

Someone really hates Liara...or didn't play ME1:whistle:

I played ME1 and have no problem with Liara.  There are just much better characters, and she really isn't that important.  Thus why its actually optional to even see her in ME2.

It is optional to see her in ME2 because the devs wanted to make sure she survives ME2 (if we believe Casey Hudson)

That isn't an official quote as far as I know.  And if it is, its most likely for another cameo/non playable appearance.

I think its extremely unlikely Liara will be back, although anything is possible.  But there are far more likely candidates. 

You can only assist Liara in ME2 if you are renegade, or willing to pick up renegade points.  Liara is not a good guy anymore.  I think its far more likely that you will fight her in ME3 than have her as a playable character.

I don't see how you would fight her...the reason she changed so much was for you, she was the one who saved you from the shadow broker, she also breaks down in the game with the right dialog option and tells you how much she cares about you, and if bioware is so concerned with keeping her alive, then I don't see why they would just give her a cameo appearance in ME3.

[Cutlass Jack]

(double post. ignore.)

Modifié par Cutlass Jack, 09 février 2010 - 08:16 .

[Cutlass Jack]

BECC4 wrote...
Lol but Kaidan and Ash are the same person just in alternate realities 

Oh and they co-exist sometimes too

Really one could argue that Shepard actually stole being the hero away from Ashidan when he pushed them out of the way. Bastage.

[Sageless Ranger]

I also think that Tali and Legion will play a major role in ME3, geth vs quarian war seems likely.

[DigitalMaster37]

Barquiel wrote...

Justin2k wrote...


I think its extremely unlikely Liara will be back, although anything is possible.  But there are far more likely candidates. 

for example?

Liara is the only character who always survives ME1/ME2

and to his other point, which proves his uselessness, you can't succesfully beat ME2 wihtout speaking to Liara. You cannot recruit Thane and Samara without her. He forgot that part. this is funny at hard of a troll he is trying to be. It's like he's been hired to be a jerk. how much they paying you Justin, $10 dollars? oooh I hope that is worth it.

[Mox Ruuga]

Tali does need a lot of rescuing tho... I think the most of any squaddie in Mass Effect? Four times, at least.

Basically, every time Shepard meets her, she's in a jam she can't get out of on her own. Her personal quest too is basically Shepard playing the white knight again, protecting her and her family's honor.

Liara needs rescuing once, then she actually saves Shepard. Ash needs the save twice, Kaidan only once. Jack doesn't need no fv(king rescue!!11!, and Miranda is the one who brings Shepard back to life. Garrus is saved once, Thane and Jacob don't need rescuing, as far as I'm aware.

I think it's clear, who the damsel in distress is. Not that it makes me like the character more, or less. It just is.

[BlazePT]

Shepard's mum?