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not a bad move. What I am saying is that you should dislike Tali's character, not the character development. Get it? You can dislike Jack, but recognize that the writing is unique and well written.
I even said as much in the OP. I don't care for Jack, but she was well-written. I honestly don't get how you can consider a move towards shallow physical preference overriding everything a good move in character development. I see that...pretty much everywhere. Its not unique. Its less interesting than what she was in ME1, but that is personal preference.
She DOESN'T fall for any man. Shepard is predefined. You had to have saved her twice, and you had to have kept her father's actions a secret. If you see an attractive woman (in the likely case you are both male and heterosexual) don't you think it's just icing on the cake if she's got a great personality?
No. That is the cake proper. Probably why I grew to like Tali to begin with and have a problem now. But fine, its not me.
This is the same thing here. Shepard is attractive - the fact that Shepard calls MShep "dashing" is evidence of this.
Dashing is not a description of physical qualities.
AND he saved her twice, and was kind of enough not to ruin her father's reputation, even though it would both be telling the truth and certainly exonerating her from being exiled. If you treat her like **** and tell everyone her father was a short sighted idiot, she doesn't fall for you.
You can always treat her like **** but not tell everyone her about her father and she'll fall for you. But I see where you're going with this, all the relationships can be this shallow. Point, generally, taken. I singled Tali out specifically because she seemed the least likely to ignore personality traits for physical ones given what we knew of her.
Bull****. The only thing we got from her was that SHE appreciated that MALE Shepard looked past HER suit. She's made no mention of her own view. You can certainly think that appearance is of lesser importance than personality, but also like a good appearance. You can't fault people for thinking that appearance is important or at least a worthy aspect of attraction.
This would still be hypocrisy, lauding a universal value in others (e.g. not gender specific, tolerance is not more common in males/females) while not holding it herself. In the true "Dashing Shep" scenario he does not know what she looks like (not even anything, really, who knows how the suit is 'distributed') but cares for her anyway. But true enough, she may be less than that and I'm back to complaining about her "new" character.
You don't need show an OUNCE of interest in the protheans. BS. I played the Liara romance. As long as you aren't a complete ass to her, she jumps on you.
HER interest in the Protheans, not yours. She regarded you as an amazing relic, and every time she melded with you she got to experience those Beacons.
What this amounts to is choosing the paragon option and not being an ass to them. Wow.
I'm talking about THEIR interests. Whether you're a Paragon/Renegade, Miranda would be interested in you as a form of "taking care" of Cerberus' investment.
This doesn't affect the romance, it affects their views. That's it.
...which strengthens the romance and makes it more believable. They aren't just two completely opposite people hooking up anymore.
Who said it has to do with alignment? The very fact that if you don't gain Tali's trust if you rat out on her father is enough. Don't grasp at straws. Tali is probably one of the most conditional romances. You need to take her on the loyalty mission, and do the right thing specifically. The others? Just don't be mean to them, and do their loyalty missions.
The point was the others appeared to put less stock in the actions you took, they would romance you regardless.
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