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[Brahlis]

KujaTheDarkOne2 wrote...
And I do accept it. Both sides have had their share of '******'ish moments. You've simply supplied the most, in my opinion. You certainly could learn from Naltair. But I must admit that on this page in particular you've been much better than you had been previously. Perhaps you've calmed down or something, I don't know.

Ugh, my rambling... My final point: I'd love to keep things civil if you will. Think I'll just end with that.

Oh I'll definitely admit I've been ... prickish. My posts seem to gravitate to one end of the spectrum or the other depending on how serious of a mood I'm in at that time.

Debating/Arguing over the internet is pretty hard. It's less about convincing your opposition and more about convincing the neutral parties.

[tmp7704]

Vaenier wrote...

It is interesting reading people's replies. Most are against an option that would not affect them at all.

To clarify i'm not actually against the idea of Tali responding positively to romance with female player. For all we know she could be simply in a very deep closet about that.

I just didn't think the reasoning presented by the OP as justification why it's more plausible for her than other female NPCs really worked.

I can see a valid concern though, about how introduction of f/f romance with Tali could potentially mess it up for the players who just want to be friends with her but actually still have some meaningful conversations with their friend. As it is in ME2, characters with romance option you cannot pursue don't have much to offer in terms of 'friendly talk'. So it's not necessarily true that "such option would not affect people at all".

[Keltoris]

Luc0s wrote...

Tali is straight, deal with it you whiney perverts. Just play male shepard if you want tali romance or gtfo. You people make me sick that you try to force bisexuality on such a sweet and already perfect character. LEAVE TALI ALONE you sick perverts, LEAVE HER ALONE! (Chris Crocker imitation)

http://www.youtube.c...NqxjiH0Y#t=8m3s

I jumped 16 pages so I apologise if this has been shot down around 8 times.

[Lyrandori]

If the writer(s) don't want to make Tali bi-sexual I doubt there's anything to do about it.

And, to me, she looks straight, and that's fine by me. I mean ME2 allows romance for her, that very option was asked thousands of times after ME1 was released up to ME2's release, maybe the developers and/or the writers were influenced by the demand. If so, then voila, we got what we asked for, she can be romanced... BUT... "only" with a Male Shepard, what's the problem? Maybe the writer(s) said «Ok, fine, sure Tali is certainly capable of love and certainly wants to be loved, not a problem, but Tali is straight», so yeah... if BioWare wanted to make her a romance option for Female Shepard then it would have happened in ME2 already.

Modifié par Lyrandori, 10 février 2010 - 10:04 .

[Dr. Peter Venkman]

Keltoris wrote...

Luc0s wrote...

Tali is straight, deal with it you whiney perverts. Just play male shepard if you want tali romance or gtfo. You people make me sick that you try to force bisexuality on such a sweet and already perfect character. LEAVE TALI ALONE you sick perverts, LEAVE HER ALONE! (Chris Crocker imitation)

http://www.youtube.c...NqxjiH0Y#t=8m3s

I jumped 16 pages so I apologise if this has been shot down around 8 times.

Perhaps BW felt it was too out of character for the final cut?

[Keltoris]

Dr. Peter Venkman wrote...

Perhaps BW felt it was too out of character for the final cut?

Cool, I want the extended edition with all the deleted scenes.

[Pauravi]

Not going to read 22 pages of posts, but, IMO, none of the OPs reasons are any good.

Basically the entire post boils down to "she should love you because you're real nice to her and saved her from Fist and helped her with her quests and stuff". The fact is, none of that stuff constitutes "chemistry". It is the basis for a very close friendship, but not love.

Further, it doesn't make Tali inconsistent. Just because she doesn't want a romantic relationship doesn't mean that she has failed to "look behind Shepard's mask", or that she is shallow, it simply means that she doesn't want that type of relationship. This is perfectly legitimate. Tali is simply not bisexual. Get over it.

[Arrtis]

Why do you have to have it your way?Why cant they just make the characters the way they want it?They are the ones after all putting in all the money and effort.

[Sphynx118]

Here we go again. WAAAAAAAH Why cant i have ALL the things i want?? WAAAAAAH! Everyone should be bi just because i want it bohooo.

I dont need a valid reason i just want it LOLOLOLOL.

Srsly. Tali is and will always be straight. Thats who she is. Thats how bioware imagined her.

The random voice bits with Hale just proves bioware considered the thought and then blew it out the window. Now you do the same. Blow iiiiiiiiit!

[Arrtis]

Tali is in the closest gay.And your unable to get her out...ok?

[Dr. Peter Venkman]

Luc0s wrote...

PS:

I think it would be the ultimate drama if Tali and Shepard realize their romance is getting them nowhere in ME3. Shepard will recruit Kal'Reegar and eventually Tali and Reegar will fall in love. Tali is afraid to tell you if you romanced her in ME2 and you can respond either Paragon and say it's the best decision because you and her wouldn't have worked out, or go Renegade and get pissed. Either way, Tali will leave you if you romanced her in ME2 and go with your new squad member Kal'Reegar.

If BW would do this, I would be the happiest person alive. It would be the perfect solution, plot-wise and also to end this whole pro-Tali and anti-Tali war on the internet.

Tali had two YEARS to get with Kal'Reegar. She was attracted to the ghost of the man she liked more than someone of her own kind.


You think that kind of bull**** would end the war?

LOL

Naive fool!

Modifié par Dr. Peter Venkman, 10 février 2010 - 11:01 .

[Sphynx118]

Luc0s wrote...

PS:

I think it would be the ultimate drama if Tali and Shepard realize their romance is getting them nowhere in ME3. Shepard will recruit Kal'Reegar as a new squad member (ME3 needs a male Quarian squad member!) and eventually Tali and Reegar will fall in love. Tali is afraid to tell you if you romanced her in ME2 and you can respond either Paragon and say it's the best decision because you and her wouldn't have worked out, or go Renegade and get pissed. Either way, Tali will leave you if you romanced her in ME2 and go with your new squad member Kal'Reegar.

If BW would do this, I would be the happiest person alive. It would be the perfect solution, plot-wise and also to end this whole pro-Tali and anti-Tali war on the internet.

Worst...story...ever. Srsly.
So Tali and shepard just randomly break up? Because you seem to ignore giving a good reason for that to happen lol.

[Captain Jazz]

The dialogue is there, the cutscenes are there since it's just a matter of substituting the pc model and presto, or so it seems to me, so why not?

Sure, it's possible to get the Tali lurvin' if you fiddle with your save file a little, but will that screw up the progression to ME3?



As a strange man with hoses plugged into the back of his head once said, "Argh! Rarh! Argh!"

[Arrtis]

I think its better to not have a gay shepard...makes more sense in someways that i will not discuss.

[Captain Jazz]

Arrtis wrote...

I think its better to not have a gay shepard...makes more sense in someways that i will not discuss.

Because gay people don't exist in the military?

[FlintlockJazz]

Luc0s wrote...

Sphynx118 wrote...

Luc0s wrote...

PS:

I think it would be the ultimate drama if Tali and Shepard realize their romance is getting them nowhere in ME3. Shepard will recruit Kal'Reegar as a new squad member (ME3 needs a male Quarian squad member!) and eventually Tali and Reegar will fall in love. Tali is afraid to tell you if you romanced her in ME2 and you can respond either Paragon and say it's the best decision because you and her wouldn't have worked out, or go Renegade and get pissed. Either way, Tali will leave you if you romanced her in ME2 and go with your new squad member Kal'Reegar.

If BW would do this, I would be the happiest person alive. It would be the perfect solution, plot-wise and also to end this whole pro-Tali and anti-Tali war on the internet.

Worst...story...ever. Srsly.
So Tali and shepard just randomly break up? Because you seem to ignore giving a good reason for that to happen lol.

In my theory they'll break up because a relationship between a human hero who goes under great stress to save the galaxy (and maybe eventually sacrifices his life for it) and a Quarian who most likely is going to play a vital and busy role for her own people (if you managed to save her from exile in the court) just doesn't work.
Besides, Reegar seems to like Tali and I think they'll make a better couple then Shepard and Tali. Maybe Tali just falls in love with him, stuff like that can happen, love is unpredictable, it's not rocket science, really.

I know countless people who broke up with their current partner because it didn't work out and/or fell in love with someone else, myself included. It's not illogical to think that something like that can also happen in the ME-universe.

I'm sorry but that would actually suck, and this is coming from someone who isn't fussed one way or another.  What would the player gain by having this happen to them?  How does it reward them for achieving the Tali Romance (since it's a game after all)?  How does it progress anything?  You must have seen how badly alot of people reacted when they saw how ME1 LI's were given just cameo roles and how they reacted to Shepard's return, this would be 100 times worse.  Saying that it happens in real life can be applied to all the LI's, why shouldn't Miranda and Jacob dump you for each other for instance? 

I'm sorry, but it sounds more like you just want to fulfill some fantasy of your own there with Reegor and Tali going off together than actually bringing something to the game.

[TheShady]

I just find it funny that people always bring up "not everyone is bi/gay, get over it!".



The fact remains that bisexual and homosexual people exist. And out of 6, 3 of them being aliens who we have no idea about how they work in that regard (just look at the ancient Greeks and their lenience towards (male) homosexuality) chances are not that low that 2 of them are bisexual/homosexual in at least some way (there's multiple ways to be gay as there's multiple reasons and theories about the reasons).



In fact, it would just make sense. It's an issue of fairness, even, and with so much option for romance (including non-squad-members, minor characters and ME1) + the obvious mention of the existence of bisexuality (Jack) it's almost discrimination to not include it.

But I fully agree with Naltair in that regard. We had f/f romance or what you could consider it and it is very obvious discrimination and homophobia to not include the possibility of a gay male Shepard.



Also, as I've mentioned before, my idea of the character stories is probably different from the ideas of most others. I can't see why a character can't be different in different playthroughs. We had that already in CRPG-history, perfect example being KoTOR 2 and in a way DA:O. In DA:O we had that hardening business. In KoTOR 2 you could basically make 4 different version of your squadmates: light/dark + Jedi/no Jedi. Also in KoTOR 2 we had Visas Marr confess her love regardless of the PCs gender as it was completely dislodged from anything physical and was a metaphysical type of love, which, in a way, could also apply to those following Shepard. He/She is a very influential character, so influential and interesting even, that multiple asari, who are less concerned with the physical, fall for Shepard. For Tali, this could apply too at least on a platonic level. We know she adores both maleSheps and femSheps and she could have at least expressed her (friendshippy) love to my femShep.

Besides, you already create different characters (also due to savegame-continuity) on every playthrough where you romance someone else. If you romance Miranda, your Jack does not better herself. Ergo you already have two versions of Jack. I simply don't see reason behind the argument that a character can "break" other than through lack of consistency throughout the series' titles or one of the title's story. A character certainly can't "break" because the character is different in another playthrough. However, I am against changing her now, it would feel too forced (unless done really well). It's just something to consider (not necessarily for Tali) in ME3 or future Bioware games.



Also another issue is the simple lack of proper relationship conclusions without romance. This applies to all characters for any gender of the Shepard that you didn't romance in your playthrough and has nothing to do with f/f or m/m relationships. It's simply a bad thing about the game. Example: femSheps or maleSheps who don't romance Jack have no way of making her "good Jack" or even find about the name SuZe (I assume you find out about that if you paragon-romance Jack as on my first playthrough I did not find out about that). Another example: I refused Garrus as a romance and could not get a proper "we're best friends forever, thank you" conversation.

Some characters are just lacking in conclusion, including Tali if you don't romance her.

[77boy84]

Luc0s wrote...

PS:

I think it would be the ultimate drama if Tali and Shepard realize their romance is getting them nowhere in ME3. Shepard will recruit Kal'Reegar as a new squad member (ME3 needs a male Quarian squad member!) and eventually Tali and Reegar will fall in love. Tali is afraid to tell you if you romanced her in ME2 and you can respond either Paragon and say it's the best decision because you and her wouldn't have worked out, or go Renegade and get pissed. Either way, Tali will leave you if you romanced her in ME2 and go with your new squad member Kal'Reegar.

If BW would do this, I would be the happiest person alive. It would be the perfect solution, plot-wise and also to end this whole pro-Tali and anti-Tali war on the internet.

It'd make more sense than her being attracted to shepard regardless of how he treats her in both games.

And it'd be the ultimate "F you" to the people obsessing over Tali, so that'd be pretty cool.

[Llames]

  i like waffles

Modifié par Llames, 10 février 2010 - 02:12 .