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[Dahelia]

What a Twist wrote...

Dahelia wrote...

What a Twist wrote...

Adding enough exclamation points makes anything you say true!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Bah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Not you again!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Why did you change your forum pic????????????

I liked the last one more!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Lol because I remade my mage, gotta wait for her to upload.....................I do have the old one......................

[What a Twist]

Dahelia wrote...

What a Twist wrote...

Dahelia wrote...

What a Twist wrote...

Adding enough exclamation points makes anything you say true!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Bah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Not you again!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Why did you change your forum pic????????????

I liked the last one more!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Lol because I remade my mage, gotta wait for her to upload.....................I do have the old one......................

I see what you did there..................

[Dahelia]

What a Twist wrote...

Dahelia wrote...

What a Twist wrote...

Dahelia wrote...

What a Twist wrote...

Adding enough exclamation points makes anything you say true!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Bah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Not you again!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Why did you change your forum pic????????????

I liked the last one more!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Lol because I remade my mage, gotta wait for her to upload.....................I do have the old one......................

I see what you did there..................

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Starlight]

Macadami wrote...

In the BG series you had stats that altered the game, each having a profound effect on your character's ability in and out of combat, and each class required balancing between 3 or 4 that best suited your play-style. In DA:O it's STR for fighters, DEX for rogues, and Magic for Mages; and that is all. Spreading points out lowers your overall effectiveness and has very little to no effect on your play-style.

Sorry. I'm afraid you have over-simplied the stat. Strength is useful for whoever want to wear heavy armors and persue especially by 2H warriors. Dex are useful for Tanks(for defense) and Arcane Warrior(to keep a reasonable attack rate) as well. Consitution are useful for Blood Mage who want to cast more spells. These depends on which kind of build for your character.

For D&D, on the other hand, I have some doubts about the settings. e.g. in D&D 3.0 or 3.5, charisma is elabrorated as luck, charm or something like that, which is rather confusing and reasonable enough. For the mages, why they need to rest and rememberice the spells all the time? I understand this is for balance purpose and limit the mage to become overly powerful. However, the explaination for it is a bit thin.

Modifié par Starlight, 10 février 2010 - 06:55 .

[Maria Caliban]

Stanley Woo wrote...

Please keep in mind that you're comparing a giant, popular sequel that you have a great deal of nostalgia about, released in the context of an industry 10 years ago, to a brand new IP released within the context of the current games industry.

Yes, things are going to be different. They can't help but be different. Technology, computing power, internet access, graphics, consoles, competition, and the market are all rather different now than they were 10 years ago.

This is not to say that you are or aren't justified in feeling how you feel, but you haven't really presented any arguments in your favour. "Story... sucks." but "In BG2, the story is so dumb". that's contradictory. "Gameplay... WHAT???" You ask about strategies when Dragon Age provides far more options for strategy than BG2 did. Finally "BIOWARE, your work Ethic is... disgusting." I'd really like to hear your rationale for that one, and I'm sure the dozens of developers who worked very hard for the last 3-7 years on the project would also be curious to know what you mean by that.

Thank you for your comments.

Such tact and control. You must have had your herbal tea this morning.

[AlanC9]

MOTpoetryION wrote.
And to even the little saying you guys have for the "edge " came across as just laughing at us for spending more money on this game it was in poor taste OH and before any of you sheep(fanboi's) open your mouths and stick your foot in it i do have screen shots of all of this. So it did happen .

Anyone know what this guy's ranting about?

[Ibby1kanobi]

David Gaider wrote...

All those extra exclamation points do really help to drive home your message. Thanks for the feedback.

lolerskates. I love it when the devs make sarcastic comments to semi-retarded posters...

[VanDraegon]

lol



OP, man, thanks a lot. This post is gold.

[StarMars]

Reading all of sleepforever's posts on this thread, it seems that he's so attached to the DnD system of the Baldur's Gate series that he considers everything else bad.

sleepforever wrote...

ok Bioware!!!

I don't know what's going on with you but lately your games suck!!!!!

I am an ''Old School Bioware RPG's''  ... I played twice Baldur's Gate 1 and Baldur's Gate 2 (At least 1000 Hours of play on each BG and 5 Dragons Killed in BG2) I bought Dragon Age because it was the ''Spiritual Baldur's gate'' ...

Now, this is no Baldur's Gate (Those who REALLY played the game agreed with me)!!!!

• Story ... Sucks!! BG2 is WAY MUCH BETTER for what it was !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! In BG2, the story is so dumb but so well brought to the players!!!!!
• Gameplay ... WHAT??? Where are the challenges????????????? What the heck???? Where r the big puch Lines?? Where is the strategies as OLD times??? Where r the deep magics that you had to spend time to read and understand??? The special items and specials abilities for my characters????
• sounds ... So dumb!!! ... In BG we r in the mood when we entered a town, city, in battles you could hear the mages reciting their Spells, magics ... !!!! Dragon Age sucks in alllllllll points!!!!!!!!!!

Really my buddies and I are totally disapointed on your recent work!!!
It's totally false publicity to say its the ''Spiritual'' Baldurs Gate ...

really, BIOWARE your work Ethic is ... disgusting! Not like it used to be!!!!

PS : If you never played Baldur's gate series ... Don't try to give your Useless Opinion!! If tou never played the REAL games of Bioware ...

Thank you

1. Story... not much to say here. BG2's story is unique (personal quest to rescue Imoen and know your captor) and not your usual save-the-world type but DA's story DOESN'T suck. BTW, the quest to kill your brother is in BG not BG2.

2.GAMEPLAY. theres the obvious DnD nostalgia. The magic system in DA is much different from that of the BG series and this applies to magical items. Perhaps he misses high level spell, the magical items that casts spells(wands, scrolls), etc...

... so simple, so boring!!!!! My mage doesn't even need to sleep to recuperate ...

3. Sound. I don't know what you are saying. DA's sound is good. It even has voice acting! I can't compare the two though coz I like both.


Bottomline is... Dragon Age is an entirely different game with a different gameworld and gameplay. You may have misunderstood the statement "spiritual successor to the Baldur's Gate series."

[Shallina]

Me think that DAO forum are full of very disguting fanboy. That bash and say toons of crap at everyone saying that Bioware is not as cool as they were.



Bioware is not as cool as they were. DAO is not as good as BG1 and BG2. But DAO is still a good game. But the OP as some valid point nonetheless, even if his manner of expressing them could be improved. DAO is clearly not in leage with BG1/BG2/Planescape/Fallout1/fallout2. To many thing are way to cheap to compare to those game, and they are probably this way beceause DAO is a crossplatform game.

[Finiffa]

Shallina wrote...

Me think that DAO forum are full of very disguting fanboy. That bash and say toons of crap at everyone saying that Bioware is not as cool as they were.

Bioware is not as cool as they were. DAO is not as good as BG1 and BG2. But DAO is still a good game. But the OP as some valid point nonetheless, even if his manner of expressing them could be improved. DAO is clearly not in leage with BG1/BG2/Planescape/Fallout1/fallout2. To many thing are way to cheap to compare to those game, and they are probably this way beceause DAO is a crossplatform game.

I have played all of those games several times over when they were released but I have taken off my Rose-tinted Glasses of Nostalgia. DA:O is the better game IN MY OPINION. But of course everyone who disagrees with you is some kind of disgusting fanboy who's opinion can be dismissed because your OPINION is the universal truth .

Modifié par Finiffa, 10 février 2010 - 10:32 .

[Stompi]

I can't take people serious who haven't even registered the game, but attack the devolopers or their games. There is a difference between constructive critism and many respectless threads I have seen on these forums.

[SinYang]

Finiffa wrote...
I have played all of those games several times over when they were released but I have taken off my Rose-tinted Glasses of Nostalgia. DA:O is the better game IN MY OPINION. But of course everyone who disagrees with you is some kind of disgusting fanboy who's opinion can be dismissed because your OPINION is the universal truth .

So true, when I look back on my feelings towards Neverwinter colored by the BG series. It just wasnt going to measure up so soon after. I can only hope one day these people will open their eyes/minds to what-is.

Considering Bioware are happy Origins is *just* a spirtual successor.. Id say we cannot be fanboi's since I think Origins is so much *better* than BG series in everyway possible, using that marketing term is acually a weakness.

Modifié par SinYang, 11 février 2010 - 11:04 .

[Les Polar]

Baldur,s Neverwinter Nights Dragon age are all awesome games....Bottom line:KEEP UP WITH PROGRESS OR REGRESS.............

[Curlain]

I don't agree with the OP, as I think DA is a great game and is a spiritual successor to BG, that said though I don't agree with the above posts either, since I love Baldur's Gate series as well, and I don't see it as regressing to enjoy older games alongside new ones (in some ways what they don't have in terms of current graphics and full voice acting they make up for with larger worlds and longer dialogue). BG graphics may be 2-d sprites but they background painted areas are still beautiful and timeless, and many of the characters engaging and deep.

I don't really see why it has to be an either/or situation, just as you can enjoy old sci-fi and fantasy film and tv series (such as the original Star Wars, Star Trek etc, or even old black and white films) alongside todays films, you can enjoy older games alongside new ones. Sometimes it's worth giving them a look for those who haven't played some older titles, you might be pleasantly surprised by how immersive, engaging and enjoyable they can be.

That said, DA is a brilliant game, and definitely a spiritual successor as far as I can see

Modifié par Curlain, 10 février 2010 - 11:57 .

[TheKnave69]

purplesunset wrote...

Alright. This just gave me an idea, I'm going to personally go through all those threads, summarize all the reasonable arguments on the topics I listed above, and then put them all together in one new giant thread. Perhaps that will be of help to Bioware employees too, and save them the task of having to separate the wheat from the chaff.

That's a great idea.  I'd love to see a topic that presents rational arguements and legitimate differences of opinion without devolving into a flame-war, or other such nonsense.

[Time Spiral]

Hey, all!

And I thought my critical review of the game got some flame, whoa. This guy got straight toasted!

I completely agree that the OP was either clearly being flamboyant on purpose, or was just being silly with all those extra punctuations, but it does appear that criticism walks like Frankenstein in the townships known as DAO Forums

Some are willing to discuss, the others seem to want to burn this whole world down!

~anybody catch that reference?

[TheKnave69]

sleepforever wrote...

ok Bioware!!!

I don't know what's going on with you but lately your games suck!!!!!

I am an ''Old School Bioware RPG's''  ... I played twice Baldur's Gate 1 and Baldur's Gate 2 (At least 1000 Hours of play on each BG and 5 Dragons Killed in BG2) I bought Dragon Age because it was the ''Spiritual Baldur's gate'' ...

Now, this is no Baldur's Gate (Those who REALLY played the game agreed with me)!!!!

• Story ... Sucks!! BG2 is WAY MUCH BETTER for what it was !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! In BG2, the story is so dumb but so well brought to the players!!!!!
  
  
  
• Gameplay ... WHAT??? Where are the challenges????????????? What the heck???? Where r the big puch Lines?? Where is the strategies as OLD times??? Where r the deep magics that you had to spend time to read and understand??? The special items and specials abilities for my characters????
  
  
  
  
• sounds ... So dumb!!! ... In BG we r in the mood when we entered a town, city, in battles you could hear the mages reciting their Spells, magics ... !!!! Dragon Age sucks in alllllllll points!!!!!!!!!!

Really my buddies and I are totally disapointed on your recent work!!!
It's totally false publicity to say its the ''Spiritual'' Baldurs Gate ...

really, BIOWARE your work Ethic is ... disgusting! Not like it used to be!!!!

PS : If you never played Baldur's gate series ... Don't try to give your Useless Opinion!! If tou never played the REAL games of Bioware ...

Thank you

Here is my interpretation of what the OP is trying to convey.  Whether the points are valid or not, is a matter of debate.

Bioware,
 
1.     I feel that the story is not as epic as BG2. While the story in BG2 is not as original as I would have liked, it was well presented and open ended. I also liked the feeling of playing a novel, with distinct chapters marking the beginning and end of each major quest point. I believe that the story had more depth than Dragon Age, as well as a more epic scope. I understand that in DA:O the story is about saving the world, etc., but I felt more personally engaged in the hero in BG2. I mean, how can being a hero saving the world be any less epic than being the son of the god of murder? So, yes, there may have been flaws in the story, but I liked it much better.

2.     As for gameplay, it feels less challenging and more dumbed-down than in BG2. For example:
     a.      I would have liked to have seen more epic battles, such as dragons, spell casters that act as such. In BG2, fighting a lich meant that you were risking permanent death of a party member. It was exciting, but we had to apply situational strategies to individual fights. In Dragon Age, there is more focus on tactical combat, which at times feels redundant.   Where are the various party formations?  I could set up my party to protect my mages, provide a frontal assault, or prepare for flanking actions.  I could also click on the ground and rotate my party orientation, which added to the strategic element. 
     b.    Things like spells had several advantages over the new spell system. For example I could pick up a magic missile at level 1. Once I reached level 9 I had 3, and so on. The spell descriptions were more in depth and informative than the new spell descriptions.  There wasn't a tree system; I didn’t have to waste a spell slot with a spell I would never use in order to purchase one that I will. It is not fun, and it’s a bit annoying.
     c.     Special items also feel a bit thin in DA:O vs. BG2. There are very few class specific items, and class restrictions on armor or weapons, aside from the fact that each individual has one unique item that is able to be equipped only by them. Take, for example, the Monk character in BG2. I could not only equip gloves and robes of different stats, but that would give my character special abilities. In addition, nobody else could do so.
     d.    The shapeshifting and polymorphing abilities were also more in depth as well, which added to the strategic element.
     e.     I could manage a keep or a base, which added an additional element to the story. Warden’s Keep, for DA:O is a great example of what could have been an interesting element to the story. Once the quest is completed, the keep is locked. It would have been nice if we could have managed it as a true keep, as we invest money into upgrading it, it would start to generate revenue, and there could be associated mini-quests in the managing of the keep.

3.     Sound design is… lacking. Except for the main party, there is little ambient noise in DA:O, except for specific triggers such as the town gossips, or specifically clicking on an intractable person. In BG2, we could hear mages chanting, courtesans soliciting customers, etc. In combat, spells required a vocal component, and you could hear mages reciting them. In DA:O you select the spell, select the target, and it is cast without sound. Occasionally the characters give combat feedback, but not as much as before.
 
I believe that your more recent games are not as well made as your older ones. I also don’t believe that DA:O is a “spiritual successor” to the Baldur’s Gate series for the above reasons.
 
Unless you have played the Baldur’s Gate series, please don’t bother to respond, as we will not have a mutual frame of reference.
 
Thank you,  

Modifié par TheKnave69, 10 février 2010 - 04:36 .

[mikechmi]

WhyIsThisNecessary wrote...

Ok Bioware!!!

I don't know what's going on with you but lately your games suck!!!!!

I am an ''Old School Bioware RPG's'' I'm an old school Bioware RPG Fan  I played twice Baldur's Gate 1 and Baldur's Gate 2 I played Baldur's Gate 1 and Baldur's Gate 2 twice (At least 1000 hours of play on each BG and 5 dragons killed in BG2) I bought Dragon Age because it was the Spiritual Baldur's gate'' called spiritual successor to Baldur's Gate...

Now, this Dragon Age is no Baldur's Gate (those who REALLY played the game agreed with me [as opposed to those who only pretended to play it?])!!!!

Story ... Sucks!! The story sucks! BG2 is WAY MUCH BETTER for what it was !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! BG2 had a much better story! In BG2, the story is so dumb but so well brought to the players!!!!! The story in BG2, while stupid, was well told!

Gameplay ... WHAT??? Where are the challenges????????????? What the heck???? Where are the big punch lines?? Where is the strategies as OLD times??? [I cannot make head nor tail of this ****ing sentence] Where ar the deep magics that you had to spend time to read and understand??? The special items and specials abilities for my characters???? Where are the complex spells and abilities, which you had to read about to understand? 

sounds ... So dumb!!! It sounds so dumb. ... In BG we are in the mood when we entered a town or city. In battles you could hear the mages reciting their spells, magics ...  [redundant] !!!! Dragon Age sucks in alllllllll points!!!!!!!!!!

Really my buddies and I are totally disappointed in your recent work!!!
It's totally false publicity to say its the ''Spiritual'' Baldurs Gate ... It is not true to say that Dragon Age is the spiritual successor to Baldur's Gate.  

Really, Bioware your work ethic is ... disgusting, Not like it used to be!!!! unlike in the past.

PS : If you never played the Baldur's Gate series ... don't try to give your useless opinion!! If because you've never played the REAL  games of Bioware ...   a real Bioware RPG.

Thank you.

ok that was pretty good

[macrocarl]

"But i lived throughout so many Punches in BG!!!"



I'm a Talking Heads fan too!

[orpheus333]

I thought the sound design in Dragon Age overall was perhaps the best I have heard within the genre. It all works perfectly together and is mixed to an incredibly high standard.In terms of quality and execution I can't fault it. Variety perhaps.

Modifié par andyr1986, 10 février 2010 - 09:03 .

[Randomname1212]

sleepforever wrote...

ok Bioware!!!

I don't know what's going on with you but lately your games suck!!!!!

I am an ''Old School Bioware RPG's''  ... I played twice Baldur's Gate 1 and Baldur's Gate 2 (At least 1000 Hours of play on each BG and 5 Dragons Killed in BG2) I bought Dragon Age because it was the ''Spiritual Baldur's gate'' ...

Now, this is no Baldur's Gate (Those who REALLY played the game agreed with me)!!!!

• Story ... Sucks!! BG2 is WAY MUCH BETTER for what it was !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! In BG2, the story is so dumb but so well brought to the players!!!!!
• Gameplay ... WHAT??? Where are the challenges????????????? What the heck???? Where r the big puch Lines?? Where is the strategies as OLD times??? Where r the deep magics that you had to spend time to read and understand??? The special items and specials abilities for my characters????
• sounds ... So dumb!!! ... In BG we r in the mood when we entered a town, city, in battles you could hear the mages reciting their Spells, magics ... !!!! Dragon Age sucks in alllllllll points!!!!!!!!!!

Really my buddies and I are totally disapointed on your recent work!!!
It's totally false publicity to say its the ''Spiritual'' Baldurs Gate ...

really, BIOWARE your work Ethic is ... disgusting! Not like it used to be!!!!

PS : If you never played Baldur's gate series ... Don't try to give your Useless Opinion!! If tou never played the REAL games of Bioware ...

Thank you

Have you actually played this game?

[DreGregoire]

Wow! I'm a bit shocked at this topic. Such rage. Better or worse than Baldur's Gate isn't the point.  Dragon Age is awesome on it's own. Thanks a buch though, now I want to play Baldur's gate again!  I know I still have it in my old games tote. LOL

[Klimy]

Last year I replayed IceWind Dale, because in my memory it was so perfect and I played it 100 times over back in a day. well, the replay turned out very ugly, and had to stop it so that my memory of the game will not be ruined.

Point is: things we played back in the days had different effect on our mind as it have now. Remember WarCarft 1, how we though that graphics and sound could not get any better than that?

Thus if we will compare modern games to the old hits that we love and have awsome memories about then it will end up ugly and we will be very disappointed every time we play.

I don't like playing FPS simply because I all the time compare it to playing Day of Defeat with my friends... well it just suck. So I had to learn to stop comparing games to old ones.

There are things we deffinetly dislike in every game, there is no 100% perfect game in the world, unless you wrote a game yourself to suit your likings. Thus try to live with small things that bug you (oh i hate that stinky guy that takes subway everyday with me, but I can't kill him) and enjoy every moment of a game (you know that our lifes are short right?).

DA was not everything I expected, and there are things that bug me that I can't explain. But it a good game none the less that makes me replay it many times over (not anymore as ME2 is out). If you hate it so much than why didn't you re-sell it at GameStop or something? DA is a game that been released and nothing will change it anymore, by saying things you say, you make yourself look like an idiot and make people who worked very hard to make this game feel sad (hope not).

Bottom line: OP you are a monkey.

Modifié par Klimy, 11 février 2010 - 11:19 .