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[fro7k]

The OP is an embarassment, but the sentiment I can partly agree with. It shouldn't have been described as a successor to BG2. Dragon Age is a good game, but not a classic. Several things come to mind:



1. Not nearly the same length. If Baldur's Gate is the man, Dragon Age is it's toe-nail.

2. Not nearly the same scope. There are very few places in Dragon Age that aren't connected to the main plot in some way. Dragon Age has the illusion of being bigger than it actually is. Baldur's Gate gave you places to explore, but everything in Dragon Age required a mission as pretext to visit it. Seeing the world for the sake of exploration amounts to reading the Codex.

3. Not nearly the same freedom. Ability to kill whoever you want, or walk into houses for the sole purpose of burglary, does not exist in Dragon Age.

4. No heroes. Dragon Age tried to portray "realistic" characters, rather than larger-than-life.

5. Bad graphics for the time, and a game engine that underperforms.



The combination of the game being 95% the main plot (85% of you obtain DLC) and what was said earlier about the plot being known in advance (unite the peoples of the land against the Darkspawn) meant this game lives firmly in Baldur's Gate's shadow, which has a huge world, much of it non-plot-related (much bigger than Dragon Age's) to explore and a plot that never reveals all of its cards until the very end.

[fro7k]

That said, I am a dying breed, and that is just a personal opinion that no longer has any weight in a world that desperately wishes to see grittiness as vastly more emotionally involving than having a save the world and get the girl type option.

I hope you're wrong!

[fro7k]

So true, when I look back on my feelings towards Neverwinter colored by the BG series. It just wasnt going to measure up so soon after.

You think NWN (single-player) measured up to BG?

[The Velveteen Rabbit]

As a gamer the OP's post frustrates me, as a writer it saddens me, and as a member of this society of ours that seems to have fallen so far down the evolutionary ladder - it makes me want to put a bullet in my head.



All that aside, I have not played either BG game, in fact DA:O is the first Bioware game I have had the pleasure of playing so I suppose that means my opinion is useless and does not matter, hmm? Pity.

[AlanC9]

fro7k wrote...
Baldur's Gate gave you places to explore, but everything in Dragon Age required a mission as pretext to visit it.

Of course, that's how BG2 did it too.

3. Not nearly the same freedom. Ability to kill whoever you want, or walk into houses for the sole purpose of burglary, does not exist in Dragon Age.
4. No heroes. Dragon Age tried to portray "realistic" characters, rather than larger-than-life.

I see both of these as features. I prefer realistic consequences to freedom without consequences, and so far nobody's made a game that handles random breaking-and-entering in a non-silly fashion.  Preferring larger-than-life characters is a matter of taste.

5. Bad graphics for the time, and a game engine that underperforms.

Does it really? How so?

[AlanC9]

The Velveteen Rabbit wrote...

All that aside, I have not played either BG game, in fact DA:O is the first Bioware game I have had the pleasure of playing so I suppose that means my opinion is useless and does not matter, hmm? Pity.

You should probably try them. They still hold up pretty well.

[Skydiver8888]

grunch....

wow, the OP uses ellipses WAY more than I do, and I wasn't entirely sure that was possible.

[Sinister-starfeesh]

I can't imagine cramming 1000hours of gameplay into a modern game would be... easy.

You can easily get a hell of alot of gameplay out of dragon age.

I have no issues with the story, gameplay, graphics or such.

Considering the amount of games they have sold, and people who play I think, it proves, that it isn't as bad as you say.

They have more expansions and DLCs planned as I believe, so it will get more expansive, thus more game play etc.

Rpg's like dragon age origins are hard to come by in my opinion, and I think they did a good job, i'm bored of pretty sparkly rpgs like FF and such.

It's all a matter of opinion and preference though and you're entitled to yours.

[AmstradHero]

Sigh.  As much as I love the BG series, I do not feel it is quite the be-all and end-all that many people still hold it up to be. It had some great aspects, but there are aspects of DA:O that leave it for dead.

I've commented on this nostalgia reviewing previously. Nostalgia is great, but it needs to be tempered with reality occasionally. If BG2 were released now, it would get panned for poor graphics, tedious backtracking, cinematic shortcomings, the lack of voice acting, limited character customisation, and probably combat style/difficulty as well.

Please, love BG2 all you want. I still love it too. But I don't believe it's the pinnacle of RPG gaming that people still claim, if you compare it objectively, there's a lot of weaknesses that current RPGs address, despite their own shortcomings.

[Sabriana]

I loved BG (all of them), and I still play them occasionally. However, they do seem outdated now, and the poster who stated that they'd be heavily criticized now-a-days is right. Heck, I even think that I wouldn't love it so much had I just now played the BG series, instead of years back when it was the non-plus-ultra of PC gaming.

DA is not the 'successor' to BG, it's the spiritual successor, and in my opinion, it is. Despite of DA not being D&D. I am glad about that, because the way WotC is messing with it, completely turned me off D&D altogether.

There is nothing wrong with being of an other mind, but there is no reason to express it as the OP did. Critique is one thing, outright belittling something with outrageous language and silly formatting is another thing entirely.

[Squeelookle]

Pinnacles change, as we have seen. Also, BioWare never said DA:O was a "Baldur's Gate" ANYTHING. They called it "The SPIRITUAL sccessor to Baldur's Gate", which is vastly different. This does not imply direct sequel or anything of the sort. What it DOES imply is that it's taking the mantle previously worn by Baldur's Gate and moving it to a new height and new product.
You want Tactical RPGs? Try the Shining Force series or Final Fantasy Tactics, then. Though DA:O does have a tactics engine, it's not a tactical RPG.

Modifié par Squeelookle, 13 février 2010 - 11:24 .

[BrotherJason]

WhyIsThisNecessary wrote...

Ok Bioware!!!

I don't know what's going on with you but lately your games suck!!!!!

I am an ''Old School Bioware RPG's'' I'm an old school Bioware RPG Fan  I played twice Baldur's Gate 1 and Baldur's Gate 2 I played Baldur's Gate 1 and Baldur's Gate 2 twice (At least 1000 hours of play on each BG and 5 dragons killed in BG2) I bought Dragon Age because it was the Spiritual Baldur's gate'' called spiritual successor to Baldur's Gate...

Now, this Dragon Age is no Baldur's Gate (those who REALLY played the game agreed with me [as opposed to those who only pretended to play it?])!!!!

Story ... Sucks!! The story sucks! BG2 is WAY MUCH BETTER for what it was !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! BG2 had a much better story! In BG2, the story is so dumb but so well brought to the players!!!!! The story in BG2, while stupid, was well told!

Gameplay ... WHAT??? Where are the challenges????????????? What the heck???? Where are the big punch lines?? Where is the strategies as OLD times??? [I cannot make head nor tail of this ****ing sentence] Where ar the deep magics that you had to spend time to read and understand??? The special items and specials abilities for my characters???? Where are the complex spells and abilities, which you had to read about to understand? 

sounds ... So dumb!!! It sounds so dumb. ... In BG we are in the mood when we entered a town or city. In battles you could hear the mages reciting their spells, magics ...  [redundant] !!!! Dragon Age sucks in alllllllll points!!!!!!!!!!

Really my buddies and I are totally disappointed in your recent work!!!
It's totally false publicity to say its the ''Spiritual'' Baldurs Gate ... It is not true to say that Dragon Age is the spiritual successor to Baldur's Gate.  

Really, Bioware your work ethic is ... disgusting, Not like it used to be!!!! unlike in the past.

PS : If you never played the Baldur's Gate series ... don't try to give your useless opinion!! If because you've never played the REAL  games of Bioware ...   a real Bioware RPG.

Thank you.

Thanks for the corrections, I don't think I would have understood the text without them. Now with all things considered I can clearly say I don't agree with the OP.

Why???????????????????????
Because.....................he.....................is.....................wrong!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!