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[Lightice_av]

JamesMoriarty123 wrote...

A lot of gay community members and the less reasonable members of the against argument trolled it to bits.

I did see your comments there and in the predeccessor of this thread. You weren't exactly innocent in that business. As I said, we shall see if you'll manage to keep civil this time.

[FKA_Servo]

Edje Edgar wrote...

I wouldnt mind aslong as I wouldnt notice it ingame. For instance I don't want Garrus or Thane to start dropping lines to my Shephard. (Yes zevran annoyed me a great deal). It would just ruin the characters for me. It's allready enoying enough beating off all the women in ME2 as it is.

Call me oldfashioned but I liked it better when you had to chase and harass LI's from the get go, like in Kotor. Now you ask how they're doin after a loyalty mission and they're all over you.

The prospect of iminent death adds a bit of urgency.

[John Locke N7]

wowpwnslol wrote...

TommyServo wrote...

So tell me Dumbname - how would this affect you?  Would anything be lost by including optional content that you would never see if you don't want to?  In game, did you accidentally romance someone you didn't mean to?  It's not easy to do.

It won't affect me - but it will send out a negative social statement that might lose them some customers.

those are customers well lost.

[Ryzaki]

Edje Edgar wrote...

I wouldnt mind aslong as I wouldnt notice it ingame. For instance I don't want Garrus or Thane to start dropping lines to my Shephard. (Yes zevran annoyed me a great deal). It would just ruin the characters for me. It's allready enoying enough beating off all the women in ME2 as it is.

Call me oldfashioned but I liked it better when you had to chase and harass LI's from the get go, like in Kotor. Now you ask how they're doin after a loyalty mission and they're all over you.

Total agreement for any kind of romance. I like player initiated flirting otherwise I get annoyed.

[LiquidGrape]

John Locke N7 wrote...

wowpwnslol wrote...

It won't affect me - but it will send out a negative social statement that might lose them some customers.

those are customers well lost.

Nail on the head, Locke.
If we wish to eradicate ignorance, we must fight ignorance.

[Akrim_Drak]

Nautica773 wrote...

JamesMoriarty123 wrote...
The fact that 2 out of 3 have included it should mean that they should get less flak for not including in ME. I mean why do they HAVE to put it in all their games. I mean maybe Jade Empire and Dragon Age have a greater number of gay players or maybe the subject matter is more open to that demographic. Or maybe it's the playerbase for ME would rage like you say, or maybe the writers just aren't up for it? I mean, just because you design/write games doesn't mean you're some paragon of virtue who's up for equal everything.

I don't think gay players exist in only one genre. I think most gamers transcend the different genres. I know I play a slew of games despite having favourites. While RPGs and Fighter games are my preferred genre, I do play lots of F/TPS platformers, puzzle games etc...

I don't think this issue would really have even been brought up if they A. didn't include f/f relations(Asari could still have been omnisexual but they should have left them off limits to females if they didn't want homosexuality in Mass Effect) or the fact that twice now they've started doing the work to include the male relationship and for whatever reason stopped before the game went gold. That's the only thing that bugs me, that it was planned twice... I'm in no way expecting every game I play to have gay characters, not at all.

[wowpwnslol]

TommyServo wrote...

OK.  Why is that a negative social message?  It looks pretty positive to me.  Unless, you know, tolerance and equality are bad things that we should shun.

Because it's not a good idea to encourage practice which is deemed morally wrong and generally unacceptable in our society. I am sure if the game allowed you to torture people, it would raise some eye brows. This is basically the same thing. You can find plenty of objectionable content online and in real life if you're curious - why does it have to make it in our games too?

[Nautica773]

Edje Edgar wrote...

I wouldnt mind aslong as I wouldnt notice it ingame. For instance I don't want Garrus or Thane to start dropping lines to my Shephard. (Yes zevran annoyed me a great deal). It would just ruin the characters for me. It's allready enoying enough beating off all the women in ME2 as it is.

Call me oldfashioned but I liked it better when you had to chase and harass LI's from the get go, like in Kotor. Now you ask how they're doin after a loyalty mission and they're all over you.

I agree with this, but I don't think that's likely to change in the finale. BioWare seems adamant in using the dialogue wheel which is often very misleading in what will happen when you make your choices. I know I almost ended up romancing Tali and Miranda just for trying to continue their dialogue branches. 

I was also disappointed that their ship dialogues ended with the romance. So, either you sexed up Miranda, or she just stopped talking to you. It would be nice for a 'friendship' option and for the romance selections to, at the very least, be placed on the left side of the wheel instead of the right.

[JamesMoriarty123]

Lightice_av wrote...
Except that they wrote them. And voice acted them. They just didn't implement them. It was fairly understandable for Mass Effect 1, since that would have made every single LI bisexual, and that probably raised a few too many eyebrows in the marketing department, but with the larger crew and greater variety of LIs in ME2, that should no longer be an issue.

The fact that one or two scenes were mocked up doesn't really amount to anything. The fact that they actually weren't implemented over 2 games (when as you said, there was no obvious reason not to in ME2) is a strong indictor that Bioware just didn't want to do it.

Also, I just had a thought. Think about the target demographic, straight males, I mean thats most games target demographic right? Now think of it from a sales point of view, including normal romance and lesibian romance (as many men find lesbianism hot) would maximise sales/impact on that demographic. Just a thought and probably the most valid reason for including a pseudo-f/f romance and not a m/m one.

[FKA_Servo]

wowpwnslol wrote...


Because it's not a good idea to encourage practice which is deemed morally wrong and generally unacceptable in our society. I am sure if the game allowed you to torture people, it would raise some eye brows. This is basically the same thing. You can find plenty of objectionable content online and in real life if you're curious - why does it have to make it in our games too?

No spoilers, suffice to say it does.

Anyway, I don't even really need to say anything to make you look any worse.  I'll just let your quotes speak for themselves.  I'd love to hear you intelligently defend why homosexuality is morally wrong and generally unacceptable, but that's outside the scope of this thread. 

Modifié par TommyServo, 10 février 2010 - 07:30 .

[wowpwnslol]

John Locke N7 wrote...

those are customers well lost.

Yes, I am sure you can tell a multi-million dollar company which customers are well lost and which aren't. Why are you posting on forums? You should be working for Bioware.

[John Locke N7]

wowpwnslol wrote...

John Locke N7 wrote...

wowpwnslol wrote...
It shouldn't be included. Same sex male romance would be gross for too many people. Just because a minority wants it, doesn't mean Bio should dedicated their time and resources implementing it.

what a stupid thing to say. so so very very stupid. its so terrible obivous how this statement is stupid. im sorry if this comes off as trolly but come on. read the quote again.

Cool. Attacking an opinion without anything to back it up. I thought this board didn't allow 13 year olds.

ok, you ask for  it. let me break it down for you so yo can understand it. your reason for no having a gay options are this "its icky and i dont like it" you also state your claim as in the gay romance would be in the opening cinematic and not an option at all. also, you state that "just because the minority wants it, it doesnt mean that bio should dedicate their time and resources implemening it" what world do you live in where the minority vote outways the majority? i would also like to point out that adding a gay romance option is a step in the direction of making the game for EVERYONE. which is time and resources well spent.

[Lightice_av]

I was also disappointed that their ship dialogues ended with the romance. So, either you sexed up Miranda, or she just stopped talking to you. It would be nice for a 'friendship' option and for the romance selections to, at the very least, be placed on the left side of the wheel instead of the right.

Very much agreed. There should be a chance to choose between building a friendship and building a romance, and see character development, either way. It's just limiting to be forced to either try romance a character, or leave them alone entirely. While Bioware does excellent job in developing its NPCs, they still leave a lot to be desired in variation of the relationships you have with them.

Also, I just had a thought. Think about the target demographic, straight males, I mean thats most games target demographic right? Now think of it from a sales point of view, including normal romance and lesibian romance (as many men find lesbianism hot) would maximise sales/impact on that demographic. Just a thought and probably the most valid reason for including a pseudo-f/f romance and not a m/m one.

Games of this magnitude have more than one target demographic. There's the central demography, but also many peripheral demographies who are being cartered, as well. Bioware has for a long time had a significant female fanbase, and they have scored many points in the past from the gay gamer community as well, making them a potentially significant minority to carter. And unlike you may think, many many female gamers find M/M hot, as well.

I believe that you are right in that Bioware didn't find the demographies interesed in M/M wide enough to carter, but that's exactly what these threads are for; to change this opinion. If enough attention is brought to the one-sided way Bioware has handled Mass Effect romances, there's a chance that this will change. It did change for Tali and Garrus fans, after all.

Modifié par Lightice_av, 10 février 2010 - 07:34 .

[Ninja Mage]

 James Moriarity is trolling in my opinion because he called Ryuuichi a man and every time someone gives him a counter argument he has an inane rebuttal of " You're just a ****** with no sense, you don't understand what the 60 percent of the straight male playerbase wants, you just called me a bigot blah blah,''when he knows it's true. He just can't see that people would like a gay romance option, and is not constructively helping this debate




ANyway, here's Ricardo as a turian

Modifié par Ninja Mage, 10 février 2010 - 07:31 .

[John Locke N7]

Ninja Mage wrote...




 James Moriarity is trolling in my opinion because he called Ryuuichi a man and every time someone gives him a counter arugement he has an inane rebuttal of " You're just a ****** with no sense, you don't understand what the 60 percent of the straight male playerbase wants, you just called me a bigot blah blah, when he knows it's true. He just can't see that people would like a gay romance option, and is not constructively helping this debate

ANyway, here's Ricardo as a turian

DUDE!! gimmie credit for this =p

[Nautica773]

JamesMoriarty123 wrote...
Also, I just had a thought. Think about the target demographic, straight males, I mean thats most games target demographic right? Now think of it from a sales point of view, including normal romance and lesibian romance (as many men find lesbianism hot) would maximise sales/impact on that demographic. Just a thought and probably the most valid reason for including a pseudo-f/f romance and not a m/m one.

Actually, I don't think that's the target demographic anymore. At the very least, BioWare is cognizant of the large female player base as well. That's why there's just as many female Shepard romance options, not to mention all the work in creating female Shepard as someone different than male Shepard.

Also, sales won't be negatively impacted by including a gay option. Straight males will avoid it, straight females won't use it and those that are interested in it will be glad for the option. There isn't many downsides to including the content save for the amount of work and time it requires to make it.

[Ninja Mage]

lol ok I give you the credit

[John Locke N7]

Lightice_av wrote...

I was also disappointed that their ship dialogues ended with the romance. So, either you sexed up Miranda, or she just stopped talking to you. It would be nice for a 'friendship' option and for the romance selections to, at the very least, be placed on the left side of the wheel instead of the right.

Very much agreed. There should be a chance to choose between building a friendship and building a romance, and see character development, either way. It's just limiting to be forced to either try romance a character, or leave them alone entirely. While Bioware does excellent job in developing its NPCs, they still leave a lot to be desired in variation of the relationships you have with them.

you can talk to them neutraly, and if they say i like you you can say whre just friends. they dont hate you afterwards.

[Edje Edgar]

John Locke N7 wrote...

you can talk to them neutraly, and if they say i like you you can say whre just friends. they dont hate you afterwards.

No they don't, but they have nothing else to say either. Besides it's too easy, you just pick one and done.

[John Locke N7]

JamesMoriarty123 wrote...

Also, I just had a thought. Think about the target demographic, straight males, I mean thats most games target demographic right? Now think of it from a sales point of view, including normal romance and lesibian romance (as many men find lesbianism hot) would maximise sales/impact on that demographic. Just a thought and probably the most valid reason for including a pseudo-f/f romance and not a m/m one.

Biowares demographics trageting computer are broken

needint i remind you?

[Lightice_av]

you can talk to them neutraly, and if they say i like you you can say whre just friends. they dont hate you afterwards.

Hate, no. But they will just keep repeating the same lines. There should be an opportunity to pursue deep friendship instead of romance, as well, giving new, different lines to deepen the character to a different direction.

[JamesMoriarty123]

Ninja Mage, what the hell are you on? Have you read my last 20-30 posts on this thread and the previous one? Get a grip man.

And Ryuuchi is the biggest troll going. You could sum up her argument as simply as you (falsely) summed up my counter argument.

Ryuuchi = "I WANT KAIDEN TO BE GAY. WHAAA. WHAAAA. If you have a different opinion to me I won't insult you directly, I'll just talk about you in the 3rd person and be passive aggressive so as to take the highroad, dropping in occasionally to call you a ****bird or such. WhAAAAAAAA. WHAAAAA. QQ"



So yeah, needless to say I don't care for Ryuuchi. At all. And I'm sure that feeling's mutual.

[wowpwnslol]

John Locke N7 wrote...


ok, you ask for  it. let me break it down for you so yo can understand it. your reason for no having a gay options are this "its icky and i dont like it" you also state your claim as in the gay romance would be in the opening cinematic and not an option at all.

Ok - that's what Bioware said about Dragon Age, however you still had a character making passes at you. Sure, you could stop it, but the damage has been done. I was sickened.

also, you state that "just because the minority wants it, it doesnt mean that bio should dedicate their time and resources implemening it" what world do you live in where the minority vote outways the majority?

The stupidity of this statement is mind boggling. Yes, let's allow minorities to make all important descisions. Hey, actually it's a decent idea - US might have a better president right now.

i would also like to point out that adding a gay romance option is a step in the direction of making the game for EVERYONE. which is time and resources well spent.

Incorrect. Instead of wasting time with gay romances, they could add another mission and not anger many customers who dislike gay characters hitting on them.

Modifié par wowpwnslol, 10 février 2010 - 07:40 .

[John Locke N7]

JamesMoriarty123, what the hell are you on? Have you read my last 20-30 posts on this thread and the previous one? Get a grip man.

[truestatic]

Oookay.  I'm sure everyone and their mother has brought this up, but what the heck.  You want your Shepard to be gay.  I hear you.  I get that.  I noticed my Shepard making eyes at Alenko years ago.  But here's the thing.  Maybe your crew ISN'T.  Because while you're free to role play Shepard in to the kind of human specter you want him or her to be, the other characters are Bioware's doing.  Already, Kelly is bisexual, and you could probably argue that Jack should be, or maybe her stories are simply about experimentation in her youth, but perhaps not every character should be bisexual.  Perhaps that'd just be a little strange.  Frankly, considering, I think if they just made Jack bi, and added one male character to the game that was strictly gay, that'd be a pretty rounded out sexuality of the games characters.

But I think expecting every character to swing both ways is... perhaps a little much.