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[Ryzaki]

John Locke N7 wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Okay so can we all agree on that it would be fine to have a completely new squad mate that happened to be a bisexual male?

I mean the peace is quickly falling apart again. *sighs*

i would like a really funny flambouint homosexual male character. that would be AWESOME

Oh God No. Just...No.

I want a normal sexy masculine military guy that just happens to be bisexual. That's all I want.

[Nautica773]

wowpwnslol wrote...
Because it's not a good idea to encourage practice which is deemed morally wrong and generally unacceptable in our society.

I think you might want to recheck where BioWare's main office and development studios are. In 'their' society it is neither morally wrong or unacceptable for two consenting adults to engage in such practices.

[Akrim_Drak]

Ryzaki wrote...

Okay so can we all agree on that it would be fine to have a completely new squad mate that happened to be a bisexual male?

I mean the peace is quickly falling apart again. *sighs*

I agree completely. I enjoyed characters like Kaidan and Thane(Garrus not so much) and sure knowing what was planned is a bummer but what went through was different and I'm FINE WITH THAT! Changing them clearly will only ****** people off and that is BAD.

New character would be great for people wanting m/m relationships and would be fine for those who don't care because they get another squadmate out of it/more story. The only ones who would have a problem are the ones who are obviously bigots. I'm sorry saying you don't want any male homosexuality in a video game (talking new crew mate here) when it is an OPTION and in no way forced on you is just bigoted and I don't use that word litely.

[John Locke N7]

hindel "or whoever that his name was" from acention was gay but still very nuetral in his personality. that kind of charcter would be cool also

[JamesMoriarty123]

Justin2k wrote...

I do feel that most of the gay community here are missing the main anti point.. which is that rather than spend time and money on art, animation, writing and voice acting for something that most people will avoid and never see, they could spend the same time and money on art, animation, writing and voice acting for something that everyone will see and enjoy, including your community.

As previously said, the large majority of players are straight.  If the huge majority of players were gay there would be 6 gay romances and no straight ones.  I agree it would be nice for you to have something you can relate to but then it would be nice for people that cannot walk to have amputees in the game, or people who are asian to have an asian character in the game.

This is the thing about minorities.  They are minor.  Not come across in every walk of life.  It is realistic that of 11 people on a ship, all of them are straight.  It is unrealistic that a high number of them would be gay.  Gay people has its place in media but it is not a requirement of games to market themselves to the gay community and the vast majority of people would rather all of ME3's development went on something that benefitted everyone and not a gay romance that the vast majority would be trying desperately to avoid - ie zevrahn hitting on people.

Its not homophobic to be against gay romance.  There are just much better ways to use resources than to waste it on a minority.  Something such as a melee class fighter, an extra N7 mission and a good conversation with an old ME2 teammate could be done using the same resources and would add much more value to the game for the majority of its purchasers.

QFT.

[Ryzaki]

truestatic wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Okay so can we all agree on that it would be fine to have a completely new squad mate that happened to be a bisexual male?

I mean the peace is quickly falling apart again. *sighs*

Sure.  Sounds great.  And in the mean time there's always hitting the word processor for some good ol' fan fics amirite.  Ho boy, 6th grade, how I miss thee.

...Is that an attempt at a badly worded and thinly veiled insult? <_<

[Ruud333]

Ryzaki wrote...
People are overestimiating how much a gay romance would affect the average gamer.

I agree - put enough guns, explosions and boobs in a game, and most straight male gamers will probably not be phased by the option to engage in a gay romance

[hawat333]

/objected



Anyways, giving a phoenix armor to Kaidan in the beginning was kinda hinting at a direction

[Wittand25]

JamesMoriarty123 wrote...

It's clowns like you that do your cause more harm than good. Changing established characters that clearly are NOT Bisexual OR Gay would damage the game immesurably. Kaiden/Thane/Garrus, all talk about female previous loves. I hate to be so vocal on this point, but just when I think the for/against are reaching a compromise or common ground, muppets like you repost the whole "Kaiden is Bi! WHAA WHAA". He ****ing isnt. Get over it. They aren't gonna change his character, his WHOLE character, not now, not ever.

I dont really care who will be the m/m option,aslong as one is implented
But technicly if I recall correctly Kaidan is the only male LI that mentions a relationship with a human female ( a highschool crush ), Thane was married to a female drell ( we dont even know how they look or if they are similar to human females ) and Garrus had a one-night-stand with a female turian ( same argument as female drell ). So the hetrosexuality of the established characters stand on shaky ground and is mostly based on the fact that they are only an option for female Shepard.

But considering how many dont want them to change, creating a new LI would be prefereable.

Modifié par Wittand25, 10 février 2010 - 08:02 .

[Nautica773]

Justin2k wrote...

I do feel that most of the gay community here are missing the main anti point.. which is that rather than spend time and money on art, animation, writing and voice acting for something that most people will avoid and never see, they could spend the same time and money on art, animation, writing and voice acting for something that everyone will see and enjoy, including your community.

Course, BioWare will decide themselves where they want to spend their time and money. Both games have assets on the disks of gay romances between Shepard and a male follower. And, given their past decisions on other games, it seems that BioWare is at least interested in including the option.

[Ryzaki]

Akrim_Drak wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Okay so can we all agree on that it would be fine to have a completely new squad mate that happened to be a bisexual male?

I mean the peace is quickly falling apart again. *sighs*

I agree completely. I enjoyed characters like Kaidan and Thane(Garrus not so much) and sure knowing what was planned is a bummer but what went through was different and I'm FINE WITH THAT! Changing them clearly will only ****** people off and that is BAD.

New character would be great for people wanting m/m relationships and would be fine for those who don't care because they get another squadmate out of it/more story. The only ones who would have a problem are the ones who are obviously bigots. I'm sorry saying you don't want any male homosexuality in a video game (talking new crew mate here) when it is an OPTION and in no way forced on you is just bigoted and I don't use that word litely.

Okay. I don't see it as changing but I'll make due with the new characters. As long as they're at least interesting would be nice.

[Ms Cherissa]

octoberfire wrote...

Is it too late to have a title change to Same-Sex Romances to actually incorporate the "romance" part of what we're fighting for?

Yeah, that.

[Ninja Mage]

Ryzaki wrote...

Come on Ninja A effeminate dutch model and a guy who crossdresses as a woman on stage totally make the manliest man when put together. [/sarcasm]

Anyways I'm not against it. And since the F/F is already in there they might as well. There's only a minority is indeed true but that doesn't mean they should be completely ignored.

I know Ryzaki even if we are a small group that gives Bioware the right to comply ignore gay romance options? So everyone who is a minority should be ignored? That why James Moriarty is a troll

[Kyero]

You guys obviously have no idea why its a bad idea to. Change characters now. Its too late getover it and stop beggiing, your making your selfs look bad

[John Locke N7]

Justin2k wrote...

SirGladiator wrote...

I actually saw a poll a little while ago, asking if Tali should be a romance option for FemShep, and the vote when I saw it (maybe an hour or so ago) was 86-39 in favor. I think whether you look at that poll, or the length of this thread/the last thread, all the evidence is this is a VERY popular topic, that has very broad support. I think all the actual evidence points to the fact that we are not, in fact, a 'small group', but rather those who are opposed to us are the small group.

You have to remember

a) most straight guys think lesbians are cool
and
 its only really the gays, lesbians and supporters that are voting on these polls.

If you summed the whole ME playerbase if they wanted to see M Shepard have a gay romance I imagine it would poll less than 5% of the vote.  I expect more people would rather see Tali given a lightsaber than this.

You are a small group.  It just doesnt seem so when you all get together.  Not getting at you but it is the truth, thats why you are called a minority.

you have to remeber
a) stereotypes are incorrect
you have absoluty zero information that could that could give you any possible statistic on a poll vote

[Ryzaki]

Ruud333 wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...
People are overestimiating how much a gay romance would affect the average gamer.

I agree - put enough guns, explosions and boobs in a game, and most straight male gamers will probably not be phased by the option to engage in a gay romance

THIS soo much this. But they need to be explosive guns and huge DD boobs. (Or a whole army of Miranda's with a better face). :innocent:

Edit: I can't wait until Chinese people become the majority.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 10 février 2010 - 08:02 .

[Ninja Mage]

JamesMoriarty123 wrote...

It doesnt matter what was INTENDED you clown, what matters is what was ACTUALLY put in the game. And its ACTUALLY in the game that he likes girls, go talk to him ffs. The fact that all this stuff was intended or talked about doesn't mean a damn thing, at design level nothings set, once it's in the game, it becomes a non-variable, it becomes a static, known factor.

 Who says? Sure as hell not you, mr obviously a programmer at Bioware. Oh wait, you're not, so shut the hell up

[Endurance_117]

Who just said African Americans are fighting for the most basic of rights? I just lol'd being African American myself

[tyddrwsau]

Here I just said that I was happy the tone in this thread was mostly positive, and voila! It heats up. Perhaps I hexed it. :-(



Given that we all seem to acknowledge that F/F is less taboo and that many of the same demographic likely to cry foul at M/M romance would think F/F is "hot"..... perhaps BioWare would do well to diffuse complaints about a new M/M romance by bundling it with a breadth of content *including* a nice lesbian that group can adore.



In one of my earlier rambles I, too, brought up that BioWare's writers have said that same-sex romances are difficult to write. The catch is... they're really not. Write it like any other romance. If the characters have that special spark together, interact in a caring way, it works. That's romance. No "Oh, dear, we're the same gender!" angst required. (I still think that romancing a reptile should be a bigger shock, in comparison. Not that I in any way disapprove of Garrus or Thane.)

[JamesMoriarty123]

Wittand25 wrote...

JamesMoriarty123 wrote...

It's clowns like you that do your cause more harm than good. Changing established characters that clearly are NOT Bisexual OR Gay would damage the game immesurably. Kaiden/Thane/Garrus, all talk about female previous loves. I hate to be so vocal on this point, but just when I think the for/against are reaching a compromise or common ground, muppets like you repost the whole "Kaiden is Bi! WHAA WHAA". He ****ing isnt. Get over it. They aren't gonna change his character, his WHOLE character, not now, not ever.

I dont really care who will be the m/m option,aslong as one is implented
But technicly if I recall correctly Kaidan is the only male LI that mentions a relationship with a human female ( a highschool crush ), Thane was married to a female drell ( we dont even know how they look or if they are similar to human females ) and Garrus had a one-night-stand with a female turian ( same argument as female drell ). So the hetrosexuality of the established characters stand on shaky ground and is mostly based on the fact that they are only an option for female Shepard.

Heres how it is, out in the world, 99% of the time, if a man sleeps with or is into a woman, he's straight. I know that destroys your little "all lets be Bi/gay" fantasy, but it isn't how the world is, thank god.

I realise this post is a little acerbic and abrasive, but people arguing to change established characters REALLY pisses me off. I mean it's just rediculous. And it would ****** off a lot more people than me if it was even considered. Thankfully, it isn't gonna happen. I still get agitated by it though.

[truestatic]

Ryzaki wrote...

truestatic wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Okay so can we all agree on that it would be fine to have a completely new squad mate that happened to be a bisexual male?

I mean the peace is quickly falling apart again. *sighs*

Sure.  Sounds great.  And in the mean time there's always hitting the word processor for some good ol' fan fics amirite.  Ho boy, 6th grade, how I miss thee.

...Is that an attempt at a badly worded and thinly veiled insult? <_<

Self deprecation, not insult, friend.  No attempt, because no intent.  Wait.  Are you writing fan fics?  ARE YOU?  I wanna see.

And c'mon.  It wasn't that poorly worded.  D:

[Lightice_av]

So everyone who is a minority should be ignored? That why James Moriarty is a troll

He seems convinced that he is not a troll, but does fall into trollish behaviour patterns easily when his actual arguments are exhausted. A pity; he doesn't seem entirely foolish, but his perception is far too narrowly concentrated on the most mainstream demography, when Mass Effect, despite of its extreme popularity, isn't a strictly mainstream game like Halo or WoW.

[LiquidGrape]

wowpwnslol wrote...

A whole bunch of hooey

I'm terribly sorry, but the ignorance you display is rather awe-inspiring.
The fact that you are uncomfortable with certain sexual preferences is a problem on your part, nobody elses.
And I'm not sure if you've noticed, but the stigma of sexuality is slowly but surely being dissolved as our collective society grows more mature and confident; a process which has prospered due to a rational majority
supporting it.
That you align yourself with the vocal opposition is your decision, but I trust you are aware of that your liaison is an assembly of deluded, dogmatic moralists at best -- seemingly immune to any kind of argumentative discourse.

Modifié par LiquidGrape, 10 février 2010 - 08:04 .

[John Locke N7]

Endurance_117 wrote...

Who just said African Americans are fighting for the most basic of rights? I just lol'd being African American myself

i thin i mentions that AT A TIME, the blacks had to fight for there most basic rights. it that what your refering to?

[JamesMoriarty123]

Ninja Mage wrote...

JamesMoriarty123 wrote...

It doesnt matter what was INTENDED you clown, what matters is what was ACTUALLY put in the game. And its ACTUALLY in the game that he likes girls, go talk to him ffs. The fact that all this stuff was intended or talked about doesn't mean a damn thing, at design level nothings set, once it's in the game, it becomes a non-variable, it becomes a static, known factor.

 Who says? Sure as hell not you, mr obviously a programmer at Bioware. Oh wait, you're not, so shut the hell up

And in the face of UNDENIABLE logic, all you can do is comeback with "shut the hell up!". Nice. All you have is fantasies.