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[Eternal Dust]

newcomplex wrote...

octoberfire wrote...

newcomplex wrote...

octoberfire wrote...

Is it too late to have a title change to Same-Sex Romances to actually incorporate the "romance" part of what we're fighting for?

Its too late to incorperate a male same sex romance (Why the **** was this capitalized?    When was the last time someone capitalized a normal striaght romance?) in general.   Were going onto Mass Effect 3, if the previous two games didn't establish male Shepherd as gay, introducing it in the third one would be nonsensical.    

It is a obviously a design decision (for whatever reason, likely mass appeal, or as Stanley Woo likes to put it, a "purely artistic decision") that they failed to incorperate it in the last two games.    In both, homosexual romance dialogues was recorded, and in both, the dialogue did not make it into the final product.    That factor, on top of the fact that were going onto Mass Effect 3, make the inclusion of homosexual romances a near impossibility.    

That being said, I fully endorse same sex romances inclusion, especially a lesbian one

What the f*** are you ranting on about? My post was regarding the title of the thread, hence the capitalization. Get some fresh air.

The title of this thread was actually "Gay romances" , but really, it was just a random quip, I found it odd that one would go out of their way to capitalize the romance of the same sex variety, while other kinds of romances are usually not capitalized.The rest of the post is about something else.      

No offense intended.    Though I think the personal attack was uncalled for.

Anyway, the only thing this threads going to result in is the possible inclusion of gay romance in the next bioware title, not Mass Effect 3.    Its far too late in the series to make that kind of change, especially when they already had the resources, but made an explicity choice not to twice in said series.     

Isn't it common to capitalize the first letter of every word when it's a title (there are some exceptions like "a" or "the")? In a post, of course nobody should do that since it would be weird.

[John Locke N7]

i support.

[Akrim_Drak]

Well, managed to get to page 2 without any excessive trolling!



I do love reading that remark over and over though and then reading some of the other threads about "canon Shepard" and the Mass Effect movie. It seems that everyone disagrees with what was said, regardless of whether it is sexual orientation or otherwise, we're not the only ones who think Shepard is our own. That's at least nice to see.

[newcomplex]

octoberfire wrote...

newcomplex wrote...

octoberfire wrote...

newcomplex wrote...

octoberfire wrote...

Is it too late to have a title change to Same-Sex Romances to actually incorporate the "romance" part of what we're fighting for?

Its too late to incorperate a male same sex romance (Why the **** was this capitalized?    When was the last time someone capitalized a normal striaght romance?) in general.   Were going onto Mass Effect 3, if the previous two games didn't establish male Shepherd as gay, introducing it in the third one would be nonsensical.    

It is a obviously a design decision (for whatever reason, likely mass appeal, or as Stanley Woo likes to put it, a "purely artistic decision") that they failed to incorperate it in the last two games.    In both, homosexual romance dialogues was recorded, and in both, the dialogue did not make it into the final product.    That factor, on top of the fact that were going onto Mass Effect 3, make the inclusion of homosexual romances a near impossibility.    

That being said, I fully endorse same sex romances inclusion, especially a lesbian one

What the f*** are you ranting on about? My post was regarding the title of the thread, hence the capitalization. Get some fresh air.

The title of this thread was actually "Gay romances" , but really, it was just a random quip, I found it odd that one would go out of their way to capitalize the romance of the same sex variety, while other kinds of romances are usually not capitalized.The rest of the post is about something else.      

No offense intended.    Though I think the personal attack was uncalled for.

Anyway, the only thing this threads going to result in is the possible inclusion of gay romance in the next bioware title, not Mass Effect 3.    Its far too late in the series to make that kind of change, especially when they already had the resources, but made an explicity choice not to twice in said series.     

Isn't it common to capitalize the first letter of every word when it's a title (there are some exceptions like "a" or "the")? In a post, of course nobody should do that since it would be weird.

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yeah, sorry I got nothing.    Misread a word.   

[Eternal Dust]

newcomplex wrote...

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yeah, sorry I got nothing.    Misread a word.   

Well, I'm glad we settled that misunderstanding

[JamesMoriarty123]

newcomplex, we reached some possible solutions that could be implemented in the last thread. Although I'm very much straight I wouldn't be against the option for DLC etc, as per the solutions discussed last thread. As long as it doesn't involve changing current established characters, that would just be a MAJOR bad move on Biowares part.



I am however totally behind you on the fact that yeah, it's too late now. ME3 is the final installment and the chances are good that they'll want to bring the current romance options to a close, not start new ones. And the fact that they have explicitly not included twice now is pretty definitive.

[Arik7]

The gay Shepard has been waiting for the right guy, that's all.... It's never too late to improve the game!

[Eternal Dust]

At this point, I think it's too late and sort of fruitless to try to change existing characters. I agree that for future purposes, the ME team should at least consider NEW characters for same sex romances.

[Akrim_Drak]

JamesMoriarty123 wrote...

newcomplex, we reached some possible solutions that could be implemented in the last thread. Although I'm very much straight I wouldn't be against the option for DLC etc, as per the solutions discussed last thread. As long as it doesn't involve changing current established characters, that would just be a MAJOR bad move on Biowares part.

I am however totally behind you on the fact that yeah, it's too late now. ME3 is the final installment and the chances are good that they'll want to bring the current romance options to a close, not start new ones. And the fact that they have explicitly not included twice now is pretty definitive.

I don't think any of us really have high hopes. The only thing that really keeps me from giving up is that TWICE now they've at least planned and started said romances, so it's obviously on the list of things to do albeit it's low on that list. I say better late than never though, can't hurt to ask.

[Nautica773]

My Lucid Design wrote...

I am a married heterosexual male, and I fully support the community when they call for the option of same sex romances. I think it would be a very smart move both politically and emotionally for Bioware to make this change.

I'm a single white male (LFG?) and I endorse this message.

[Arik7]

octoberfire wrote...

At this point, I think it's too late and sort of fruitless to try to change existing characters. I agree that for future purposes, the ME team should at least consider NEW characters for same sex romances.

Actually I wouldn't mind restoring Kaidan's bisexuality, as it was originally intended but not complete.  But if the fans are against it, then new bi characters should be introduced....

[sw33ts]

Arik7 wrote...

octoberfire wrote...

At this point, I think it's too late and sort of fruitless to try to change existing characters. I agree that for future purposes, the ME team should at least consider NEW characters for same sex romances.

Actually I wouldn't mind restoring Kaidan's bisexuality, as it was originally intended but not complete.  But if the fans are against it, then new bi characters should be introduced....

I wouldn't mind them restoring all the orginal bisexuals, Tali, Kaidan, Ashley, Thane.  I don't see an issue with that and I don't understand why some people would be against that.  If that were implimented as well as the pink or some other color curly font romance dialogue I don't see how you can ACCIDENTLY turn your straight Shepard into straight man accidently flirting with a bi man.

[newcomplex]

JamesMoriarty123 wrote...

newcomplex, we reached some possible solutions that could be implemented in the last thread. Although I'm very much straight I wouldn't be against the option for DLC etc, as per the solutions discussed last thread. As long as it doesn't involve changing current established characters, that would just be a MAJOR bad move on Biowares part.

I am however totally behind you on the fact that yeah, it's too late now. ME3 is the final installment and the chances are good that they'll want to bring the current romance options to a close, not start new ones. And the fact that they have explicitly not included twice now is pretty definitive.

A DLC option would be problematic.    As much as I feel that Bioware is able to release a game featuring a same-sex romance (Like many other game they released), a "gay sex DLC" (as it would become referenced by the ignorant masses) is a bit too much for the current politcal and consumer climate for EA to approve it, or maybe for Bioware to even want to do it.     Even a "gay guy" DLC is problematic, as well as being financially challenging.   

(Imagine X-box kiddies.. U PURCHASED ROBERT THE GAY GUY, HAHA UR A GAY LOLOLOLOLOL)

Personally, I believe that their are two major reasons why ME lacks a same sex option.    First off, while biowares pretty liberal, their not at the point where they want your main supporting male character be gay/bi (Kaidan/Jacob).    At the same time, the cast doesn't leave much room for other romance options.    The only other males on board are aliens, or Zaeed.     Zaeed is a DLC character without dialogue options, not fully fleshed to meet the release of the game.      (plus, it would be mad creepy/shady).    That leaves gay sex with aliens.    Which is problematic in its own right.     The only character where it would be remotely an option (because doing it with Mordin, Garrus, Wrex or Grunt....no...sorry...just no) would be Thane.      And they felt that his fish like features enough to warrant inclusion on the grounds of "wtf gay sex with fish", or similar reasoning.  The other is they just didn't feel like it, the developers wanted a break with having to deal with the potential bad press, and it wasn't worth getting approved by the lead producers, or even EA execs/product managers.   

Modifié par newcomplex, 09 février 2010 - 10:00 .

[Nautica773]

Arik7 wrote...
Actually I wouldn't mind restoring Kaidan's bisexuality, as it was originally intended but not complete.  But if the fans are against it, then new bi characters should be introduced....

The problem with that is implementation. How would you restore content across two different games? Multiple patches based on how many of the installments you have on your hard drive? If it is just something that finally comes to light in the third game, then the main thrust for having Kaiden as a romance (it carries through all three) is lost at that point.

[Eternal Dust]

sw33ts wrote...

Arik7 wrote...

octoberfire wrote...

At this point, I think it's too late and sort of fruitless to try to change existing characters. I agree that for future purposes, the ME team should at least consider NEW characters for same sex romances.

Actually I wouldn't mind restoring Kaidan's bisexuality, as it was originally intended but not complete.  But if the fans are against it, then new bi characters should be introduced....

I wouldn't mind them restoring all the orginal bisexuals, Tali, Kaidan, Ashley, Thane.  I don't see an issue with that and I don't understand why some people would be against that.  If that were implimented as well as the pink or some other color curly font romance dialogue I don't see how you can ACCIDENTLY turn your straight Shepard into straight man accidently flirting with a bi man.

It's just damage control. I can see a whole bunch of people being pissed off about it and stirring a s*** storm over it. I wouldn't mind either way, but I'd rather they put more effort into new and better romances. I don't want them to go "Ok, so we made them bi again. That's what you wanted, but don't expect anything new in ME3."

[Madame November]

I would definitely download an expanded romance or relationships package. I disagree with people who claim that this is not an important part of the game. I replay repeatedly for the dialog and new relationships, not so that I can replay the same battles.

Modifié par November Cousland, 09 février 2010 - 10:03 .

[Arik7]

Nautica773 wrote...

Arik7 wrote...
Actually I wouldn't mind restoring Kaidan's bisexuality, as it was originally intended but not complete.  But if the fans are against it, then new bi characters should be introduced....

The problem with that is implementation. How would you restore content across two different games? Multiple patches based on how many of the installments you have on your hard drive? If it is just something that finally comes to light in the third game, then the main thrust for having Kaiden as a romance (it carries through all three) is lost at that point.

{MINOR SPOILER}
The default ME2 storyline is that you didn't have a romance in ME1.   For those who started with ME2, they would not have known the characters anyway and they should be given that chance in ME3.

[Nautica773]

newcomplex wrote...
Personally, I believe that their are two major reasons why ME lacks a same sex option.    First off, while biowares pretty liberal, their not at the point where they want your main supporting male character be gay/bi (Kaidan/Jacob).    At the same time, the cast doesn't leave much room for other romance options.    The only other males on board are aliens, or Zaeed.     Zaeed is a DLC character without dialogue options, not fully fleshed to meet the release of the game.      (plus, it would be mad creepy/shady).    That leaves gay sex with aliens.    Which is problematic in its own right.     The only character where it would be remotely an option (because doing it with Mordin, Garrus, Wrex or Grunt....no...sorry...just no) would be Thane.      And they felt that his fish like features enough to warrant inclusion on the grounds of "wtf gay sex with fish", or similar reasoning.  The other is they just didn't feel like it, the developers wanted a break with having to deal with the potential bad press, and it wasn't worth getting approved by the lead producers, or even EA execs/product managers.   

I'm 100% confident that BioWare is not concerned about those issues. First, the main character of Jade Empire and Dragon Age can be gay/bi/nug-curious. Second, they actually had gay romance content developed for both Mass Effect games. 

[newcomplex]

Also, I was gonna edit this in, but hell, it warrants its own post.

Their are very large political implications for making homosexuals buy a separate content package in order to pursue their relationships. It is probably not how bioware would intend it, but it would be misconstrued. In fact, both the Homophobes and the Gay political community would take it the wrong way. Obviously, Bioware devs can see how it isn't in their best interests to do something like that.

Nautica773 wrote...
I'm 100% confident that BioWare is not
concerned about those issues. First, the main character of Jade Empire
and Dragon Age can be gay/bi/nug-curious. Second, they actually had gay
romance content developed for both Mass Effect games. 

They recorded the voice, because you don't hire back B list movie starts to record a gay romance for a minority.    Ultimately, they chose not to use those assets.   

Second, the supporting male in Jade Empire subtley hints he is gay/bi, and subtley hints he may want to pursue a relationship with you.    I could make the same case for characters in the ME1 and 2 universe, like Mordin.  

Modifié par newcomplex, 09 février 2010 - 10:08 .

[Nautica773]

Arik7 wrote...
{MINOR SPOILER}
The default ME2 storyline is that you didn't have a romance in ME1.   For those who started with ME2, they would not have known the characters anyway and they should be given that chance in ME3.

If I'm not mistaken, the default for a male Shepard in ME2 is that Kaiden won the awesome prize in the original so it wouldn't even come up in the final game.

Modifié par Nautica773, 09 février 2010 - 10:07 .

[sw33ts]

Nautica773 wrote...

Arik7 wrote...
Actually I wouldn't mind restoring Kaidan's bisexuality, as it was originally intended but not complete.  But if the fans are against it, then new bi characters should be introduced....

The problem with that is implementation. How would you restore content across two different games? Multiple patches based on how many of the installments you have on your hard drive? If it is just somhething that finally comes to light in the third game, then the main
thrust for having Kaiden as a romance (it carries through all three) is
lost at that point.

I believe someone stated that if
that were case.  Kaidan could come up to you in the 3rd game and say he
thought he'd have time after the fight with the reapers and he just now
got enough courage to speak to Shepard about it, if Shepard brings up
the fact tat he's been admiring from afar or something of the sort.  BW could also go back and implement Kaidan and the others like a few modders before them have done.  They could also have I don't know a questionire at the part where it tells you who your LI is in ME2 when you're importing from ME1 to be a drop box and I don't know something like LI Miranda/Jack/Ashley/No one/etc, Crush Kaidan/Thane?  Except this would be at the beginning of ME3.  Except of course you can't chnage your LI.  You can however choose your crush.

Modifié par sw33ts, 09 février 2010 - 10:08 .

[Akrim_Drak]

newcomplex wrote...
Big wall of stuff!

I think DLC would be tacky myself. It would really have to be a bisexual character that came with a ton of extras for it not to be labeled as such, and I've never seen a DLC romance character since they've started doing it but hey there's always a first. (Shale/Zaeed)

Also, it's really got nothing to do with SEX that myself and others want. It's the relationship aspect of it. I wouldn't complain if it were just a kiss and then fade to black scene at the end, besides I find the sexual aspect of ALL the relationships pretty tacky in ME2 anyway.

That's what most people don't understand, it's the emotional thing people want. Not some virtual porn simulator.

[newcomplex]

Akrim_Drak wrote...

newcomplex wrote...
Big wall of stuff!

I think DLC would be tacky myself. It would really have to be a bisexual character that came with a ton of extras for it not to be labeled as such, and I've never seen a DLC romance character since they've started doing it but hey there's always a first. (Shale/Zaeed)

Also, it's really got nothing to do with SEX that myself and others want. It's the relationship aspect of it. I wouldn't complain if it were just a kiss and then fade to black scene at the end, besides I find the sexual aspect of ALL the relationships pretty tacky in ME2 anyway.

That's what most people don't understand, it's the emotional thing people want. Not some virtual porn simulator.

I know you're not interested in gay porn in ME, but it would be construed as a gay sex DLC.    

Not just by the yellow media, but by many playes who are less tolerant then the ones who post here.    You don't sell millions of copies without collecting a lot of immature people.    

Modifié par newcomplex, 09 février 2010 - 10:12 .

[Looy]

I only want gay romances if I can have a gay romance with Garrus.

[Nautica773]

sw33ts wrote...
I believe someone stated that if
that were case.  Kaidan could come up to you in the 3rd game and say he
thought he'd have time after the fight with the reapers and he just now
got enough courage to speak to Shepard about it, if Shepard brings up
the fact tat he's been admiring from afar or something of the sort.

So it wouldn't actually be reinstating the developed content from the first two but just referring to the cut content in the third game. It... could work but I could see it be incredibly contrived as well.

BW could also go back and implement Kaidan and the others like a few modders before them have done.  They could also have I don't know a questionire at the part where it tells you who your LI is in ME2 when you're importing from ME1 to be a drop box and I don't know something like LI Miranda/Jack/Ashley/No one/etc, Crush Kaidan/Thane?  Except this would be at the beginning of ME3. 

I don't see them releasing multiple patches to re-include content cut from the first two games. I think the only way for fans to see that content is to rip it themselves or to check youtube.