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Well, what would you suggest for those reasons? Time constraints? Practically all the content exists for ME1 even though it was never used, so it doesn't seem likely. Sometimes developers get excited over an idea, do it, but then get shot down by the marketing or publisher who review the final product.
 


I believe the reason Casey gave was something along the lines of resources being limited and needing to conserve disc space so they had to cut back on some things. This included the s/s relationships with Kaidan and Ashley because they were perceived to be the least popular.
Which I'm inclined to believe if only because i'm a naive optimist and don't want to beleive BioWare would lie to the fans at every turn. We know from the modded game that those two romances would have required a second set of steamy-scene animations.
It's the same reason the Asari got included in the first place. They didn't have room in the game to make males and females of all the alien races so they just made an all-female race.

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Lightice_av wrote...
Well, what would you suggest for those reasons? Time constraints? Practically all the content exists for ME1 even though it was never used, so it doesn't seem likely. Sometimes developers get excited over an idea, do it, but then get shot down by the marketing or publisher who review the final product.


I don't think the marketing department gets a say in what content stays or is removed from the game. As for the publisher, I have a suspicion that EA has given BioWare quite a bit of leeway to decide how they make their games. In fact, almost every time someone claimed it was pressure from EA that caused something in Dragon Age's development to be changed, one of the developers would come on and say that it was their own decision. 

There are so many aspects to making video games that it's impossible to really know why it was removed without someone explaining it. It could have been something as mundane as the reason why Shale was originally cut from the game - the model was too large that it had problems pathfinding through doorways. There could be an untold number of bugs or glitches based on the content that they may not have been able to fix it in time of release. Maybe they didn't finish animating the actual sex scene, who knows?

If they used the same characters for ME2, I would also consider this, but since they use almost entirely new cast, I don't consider this likely. Ofcourse it's also possible that the content was removed to avoid a different kind of controversy; according to people studying files hidden in the game disk, all the planned homosexual romances were with aliens. Maybe the same marketing team decided that it would imply that homosexuals are freaks. Yeah, Liara is an alien, but also far more human-like than any romanceable alien in ME2. The sad fact is that sometimes content gets made only to be cut out in the last minute over some minute issue.


I agree that minute issues can often cause content to be cut, but I don't think it's from any worry over controversy. BioWare has a long history of including same-sex relationships, starting with Juhani in KotOR, to Silk Fox and Sky from Jade Empire and Leliana/Zevran in Dragon Age. It's illogical to think that there would suddenly be concern for Mass Effect, especially since there is nothing that separates Mass Effect so thoroughly to warrant removing content they spent creating.

Indeed. I don't think it was necessary for Mass Effect to have non-mainstream romances, or any romances at all. I didn't think that a videogame romance could be anything but embarrasing and silly in when I started ME1, but I was proven wrong. But it did have a non-mainstream romance in more ways than one with Liara. And ME2 has even stranger romances with Thane and especially Garrus, the latter something that I wouldn't have believed in a million years when I saw the petition threads.


You forgot Tali. ;)

Bioware has now consistently added just about every kind of non-mainstream romance option imaginable (without even dirtier imagination than Garrus-fans, anyway), except M/M, and it's become extremely conspicous in its absence. There are few excuses to exclude the option, at this point. Kelly Chambers was also rather embarrasing, since she confirms that FemShep can be lesbian towards humans, but does it in a rather shallow manner, and without the Paramour-acheievement.


Considering some of the other... issues with the game, I think BioWare really bit off more than they could chew for the second one. With 12 characters at launch, each with their own recruitment and loyalty missions, plus trying to put so much emphasis on the decisions in ME1, plus trying to do six romances, plus have an epic story to match the first... I really think they ran out of time and just started cutting their loses halfway through development.

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I believe the reason Casey gave was something along the lines of resources being limited and needing to conserve disc space so they had to cut back on some things. This included the s/s relationships with Kaidan and Ashley because they were perceived to be the least popular.


If true... Vindication!

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Enchantment! :wizard:

(double post)

Modifié par Nautica773, 10 février 2010 - 10:42 .


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Do we really need a new Zevran in this game who talks only about how he likes hard leather boots and leather armor and acts pretty much like the most stereotypical (forgive my politically incorrect term here) "queer"?

Because if that's the only way BW can make a gay character, then I say don't do it. On the other hand if they can make a character that does not feel like it's only purpose is to be gay and nothing else, then it doesn't bother me.

On the story point I don't think it's a good dissission to make a gay Shepard in the last game of the series, but if you can live with that inconsistency it's fine by me.


For many of us who want the option, it won't be an inconsistency. We didn't romance any of the female options in the first 2 games so our Shepard's have nothing to be inconsistent with.

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You forgot Tali. Image IPB



I would have believed her. Image IPB
I thought that she was pretty much begging for a romance option, actually. It helps that she leaves so much for the imagination.

I really think they ran out of time and just started cutting their loses halfway through development.



Unfortunately this too is entirely possible. If that is the case, I hope that they manage their time better in the production of ME3. And really, a few cut corners won't hurt, as long as they aren't serious ones. As I understand the modders made do quite well with the animations from the opposite-sex romances to produce believable same-sex romance videos, for example.

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I didn't necessarily want to get too in depth with my own life here but here goes. I'm In my mid twenties and only recently have I come to terms with being a bi man. Do i shout it from the rooftops? No I don't. Would you guess I'm bi just by looking at me? No, most people in my life never even thought about it.



So whether or not we can play a gay or bi Shepard in ME3 should not effect the story line. Maybe Shepard comes to terms with it the way I did, you can't just tell someone that it is an inconsistency when you make up your own Shepard's background. Maybe he's shy? Maybe he just hasn't met the right person.



I don't know but please just respect that there should atleast be an option available to those who want it. Kay?

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Lightice_av wrote...
Unfortunately this too is entirely possible. If that is the case, I hope that they manage their time better in the production of ME3. And really, a few cut corners won't hurt, as long as they aren't serious ones. As I understand the modders made do quite well with the animations from the opposite-sex romances to produce believable same-sex romance videos, for example.


I think they may have difficulty getting everything in the third one. I'd expect ME3 out next year, either in spring or early summer. The engine's starting to get too old for a development cycle that's any longer and I doubt they'll want to make a new engine for the last game. 

But, yes, here's hoping!

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Jimmy Fury wrote...

Kangasniemi wrote...

Do we really need a new Zevran in this game who talks only about how he likes hard leather boots and leather armor and acts pretty much like the most stereotypical (forgive my politically incorrect term here) "queer"?

Because if that's the only way BW can make a gay character, then I say don't do it. On the other hand if they can make a character that does not feel like it's only purpose is to be gay and nothing else, then it doesn't bother me.

On the story point I don't think it's a good dissission to make a gay Shepard in the last game of the series, but if you can live with that inconsistency it's fine by me.


For many of us who want the option, it won't be an inconsistency. We didn't romance any of the female options in the first 2 games so our Shepard's have nothing to be inconsistent with.


Hmm...
Haven't thought about it that way... Stupid me...

If the writers can make a good and believable character then i have nothing against having a gay romance option in the game.

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Kangasniemi wrote...
If the writers can make a good and believable character then i have nothing against having a gay romance option in the game.


Well... it will be a character as believable as the rest of the crew at any rate.

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comicfan22 wrote...

I don't know but please just respect that there should atleast be an option available to those who want it. Kay?


Like I said, I support this idea somewhat now.  But I do think this statement is incorrect.  There shouldn't at least be anything.  If a group with obesity backed an obese character, should he be put in?

This is Biowares game to make as they see fit.  If they see it appropriate to put a gay relationship in then fine.  But Bioware cannot be told that they should or shouldn't.  They have proven that they are not homophobic when it comes to making games, and they are one of the game companies that have shown to back gay gamers.

I don't think "it has a straight option so it must have a gay option and if it doesn't it is wrong" is any way to go about this.  It is a request you are making nothing more.  Bioware will make up their own opinion and if they do not include this, I really wouldn't take it too badly as it is only one game, and they will most likely implement it in future franchises seeing how it went ok for Dragon Age.

TL:DR it comes down to bioware at the end of the day.  Doesn't matter who is for and who is against.  If it is business viable then they'll do it, and if not they won't.  Whatever they decide it is a decision made for a reason and not a discrimination against anybody.

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Justin2k wrote...
... it comes down to bioware at the end of the day.  Doesn't matter who is for and who is against.  If it is business viable then they'll do it, and if not they won't.


Indeed. Mostly this thread is here to let BioWare know of all the people that would be interested should they implement the content. 

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Please, just stfu

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BrookMorrison wrote...

Please, just stfu


?

Take your own advice?

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Hey guys, the last time I posted in a thread like this, my SocialNetwork account was suspended for 3 days... just letting you know how we poor trolls have to suffer because of you.



Anyways, I'm droping the fight. Have your gay romance in Mass Effect 3. Just make it that male characters are not hitting on players... that would be disturbing for some people.

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Jimmy Fury wrote...

MassFrost wrote...
What are you being excluded from? You can still play through the game and experience the story just like anybody else. The romances don't effect the outcome whatsoever.


So were the combat mechanics in ME3 bettern than the first 2? I mean, you had to have played it to know whether or not the romance suplots effect the outcome of the story... since it's a trilogy and all...


sorry. hunger makes me snarky.





Well, my mention of being able to play through the game should lead one to assume that I was referring to ME1 and ME2, not ME3. Apparently hunger effects your reading comprehension as well.

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Just watch this.  >>Click<<

So... Harkin a M/M Romance in ME3? :whistle:

No, seriously, gay Shepard would've been awesome.
Even if it were, like in this case, just hilarious.

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No hunger only effects my snark level. You said the romances don't effect the outcome. The outcome doesn't occur until ME3. Therefore your entire statement could only be valid if you had somehow played ME3.


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Ok, I CAN understand female romance with an asari (lore stuff etc.), but gay ?! oh c'mon !

New race ? Gaysari ?

No thanks !

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Jimmy Fury wrote...

No hunger only effects my snark level. You said the romances don't effect the outcome. The outcome doesn't occur until ME3. Therefore your entire statement could only be valid if you had somehow played ME3.


Right, the outcome of both ME1 and ME2. Both games have a conclusion, do they not?

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No thanks? Why?

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Clay Curragh wrote...

Just watch this.  >>Click<<

So... Harkin a M/M Romance in ME3? :whistle:

No, seriously, gay Shepard would've been awesome.
Even if it were, like in this case, just hilarious.


The gay just seems to be everywhere.

That is pretty funny though.

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Right, the outcome of both ME1 and ME2. Both games have a conclusion, do they not?


sigh.
I apologize if my comment seemed like some sort of personal attack. I was simply pointing out that we don't know what the outcome of the romance subplots will be because they don't conclude until the story does.
Yes, both games have their endings. I wouldn't call either of those endings a conclusion since they are left open for the next game but whatever.

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I just hope the Dev team learns from this and doesn't give us the ''no time to do it'' excuse again

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I just hope the Dev team learns from this and doesn't give us the ''no time to do it'' excuse again


Was this used as an excuse from them? I thought that was just some people on here trying to think of what it could have been...

Because in reality, they DID have time to create the content, at least for ME1, where all the scenees and dialogue were fleshed out (pretty much 100%).

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[quote]Kangasniemi wrote...

Do we really need a new Zevran in this game who talks only about how he
likes hard leather boots and leather armor and acts pretty much like
the most stereotypical (forgive my politically incorrect term here)
"queer"?[quote]


I just don't get this at all. Zevran oozes masculinity. Think about it, he says whatever he wants to, whenever he feels like it. Very attractive personality. So what if he has lots of sex? This makes him a stereotypical queer? Most people want to have lots of sex. Don't you?<3

edit: wtf with the extra quote box?

Modifié par November Cousland, 11 février 2010 - 12:45 .