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[comicfan22]

James, while I accept your views I believe we should agree to disagree.

[hycer]

JamesMoriarty123 wrote...


It isn't the thought, its the active lobbying to get Bioware to change them. This thread should be about options, not idle fantasies of gay men.

Chances are 90% on that there won't be m/m romance full stop. I'd stake my ****ing house on it.

If you don't think there will be m/m romance at all, why bother to post in this thread?

[Temper_Graniteskul]

After going back and reviewing the slow-turn-and-brow-wipe every time he talks to Male or FemShep, I don't think bi Kaiden is an idle fantasy of gay men.



Unlikely to see implemented? Certainly. Idle fantasy? No...it's pretty blatant.

[JamesMoriarty123]

Women lobbying for this is just rediculous as well IMO. Why do you feel the abject need to watch 2 virtual men get it on? Completely beyond my ken.



Can't wait for ME3, so we can all be relieved/disappointed (delete as appropriate) and stop arguing the toss.

My money is on ZERO gay mansex in ME3. I highly doubt I'm gonna be made to eat my words.

[Creature 1]

JamesMoriarty123 wrote...

Women lobbying for this is just rediculous as well IMO. Why do you feel the abject need to watch 2 virtual men get it on? Completely beyond my ken.

Yet you approve of f/f. 

[JamesMoriarty123]

Temper_Graniteskul wrote...

After going back and reviewing the slow-turn-and-brow-wipe every time he talks to Male or FemShep, I don't think bi Kaiden is an idle fantasy of gay men.

Unlikely to see implemented? Certainly. Idle fantasy? No...it's pretty blatant.

You guys/gays will read something into anything. Ever actually worked somewhere where you've sweated and had to wipe your brow? Lol. The most innocent of acts and you guys construe it as something else to indulge your fantasies.

Modifié par JamesMoriarty123, 11 février 2010 - 02:17 .

[JamesMoriarty123]

Creature 1 wrote...

JamesMoriarty123 wrote...

Women lobbying for this is just rediculous as well IMO. Why do you feel the abject need to watch 2 virtual men get it on? Completely beyond my ken.

Yet you approve of f/f. 

I neither approve or disprove actually, I've never played a FemShep and If I wanna watch two girls go at it I'll watch some porn.
But if it wasn't in would I go out of my way to lobby for it? No.

Modifié par JamesMoriarty123, 11 février 2010 - 02:16 .

[comicfan22]

James, you're getting to the cusp of offending people. Please be respectful.

[JamesMoriarty123]

comicfan22 wrote...

James, you're getting to the cusp of offending people. Please be respectful.

If people insist on twisting the current characters, you know, the ones actually present in the final release, then I will continue to offer vehement retorts.

It's not my wish to offend anyone, but when people just repeat the same thing over, and over, and over, and over, it get's rather unsettling.

[Madame November]

JamesMoriarty123 wrote...

Women lobbying for this is just rediculous as well IMO. Why do you feel the abject need to watch 2 virtual men get it on? Completely beyond my ken.

Can't wait for ME3, so we can all be relieved/disappointed (delete as appropriate) and stop arguing the toss.
My money is on ZERO gay mansex in ME3. I highly doubt I'm gonna be made to eat my words.

Why do you feel the driving need to make all the people lobbying for this give up? You don't have the power here. You have stated your opinion repeatedly. If seeing people post about gay relationships in ME bothers you so much that you can't help but vomit your negativity, you should stop coming here.

and speaking of over, and over, and over...

Modifié par November Cousland, 11 février 2010 - 02:21 .

[Temper_Graniteskul]

JamesMoriarty123 wrote...

Temper_Graniteskul wrote...

After going back and reviewing the slow-turn-and-brow-wipe every time he talks to Male or FemShep, I don't think bi Kaiden is an idle fantasy of gay men.

Unlikely to see implemented? Certainly. Idle fantasy? No...it's pretty blatant.

You guys/gays will read something into anything. Every actually worked somewhere where you've sweated and had to wipe your brow? Lol. The most innocent of acts and you guys construe it as something else to indulge your fantasies.

Oh, I'm used to looking for subtext. As far as I, and apparently a number of other people, am concerned, that's not subtext. It's text, and in a pretty decent-sized font. I understand you might not see it, but stop claiming that we're wrong if we do.

Modifié par Temper_Graniteskul, 11 février 2010 - 02:24 .

[Arik7]

JamesMoriarty123 wrote...

Women lobbying for this is just rediculous as well IMO. Why do you feel the abject need to watch 2 virtual men get it on? Completely beyond my ken.

Can't wait for ME3, so we can all be relieved/disappointed (delete as appropriate) and stop arguing the toss.
My money is on ZERO gay mansex in ME3. I highly doubt I'm gonna be made to eat my words.

Sometimes you have to take a stand for what is right, no matter the result.  It's a good sign that the media and fans are asking BioWare about M/M romance.  How many uncomfortable interviews can Hudson and Muzyka seat through, trying to justify their decision?  I hope they will do the right thing.

[JamesMoriarty123]

I'm all for voicing your opinions, no matter how futile the effort will turn out to be. If people would stop mentioning "OMG I want Kaiden and Thane and etc to be gay/bi" then you'd get more of a debate out of me. As per the last 10 pages or so of the previous thread.

[Endurance_117]

Damn, anyone watching the Real World right now?

Modifié par Endurance_117, 11 février 2010 - 02:22 .

[JamesMoriarty123]

You make it sound like not including it would be the wrong thing? So by your measure they've done the wrong thing twice with zero negative impact?
The great thing is, with sales figures as good as they got for these 2 games, they don't have to justify anything. If every person who was upset about not including a gay man on man romance voiced their opinions all at once it would be nothing more than a whimper in the grand scheme of things.

I hope they don't include it as much as you hope they include it. At the end of the day, we just have to let the chips fall where they may and see what happens.

Modifié par JamesMoriarty123, 11 février 2010 - 02:25 .

[Prof-Elefant]

Just out of curiosity, does anyone know if Garrus actually uses a feminine pronoun even once during the romance? Regarding Shepard, obviously. I don't *think* he did, but I can't honestly recall. Not that that necessarily means a damn thing, the thought just amuses me a bit.

[Erode_The_Soul]

JamesMoriarty123 wrote...

Women lobbying for this is just rediculous as well IMO. Why do you feel the abject need to watch 2 virtual men get it on? Completely beyond my ken.

Can't wait for ME3, so we can all be relieved/disappointed (delete as appropriate) and stop arguing the toss.
My money is on ZERO gay mansex in ME3. I highly doubt I'm gonna be made to eat my words.

It's called empathy, James. You don't have to be a homosexual man to understand their desire to have homosexual relationships in game. To suggest or imply that you do (by writing off the opinions of others as "ridiculous") is just plain incorrect.
I can't speak for everyone, but I know that I'm not "lobbying", as you so kindly put it, for virtual gay sex so I can get some sort of sexual gratification from it. If you are coming into these threads thinking that's what they are all about, then you are very misguided.

I personally think Bioware is a developer capable of creating fantastically memorable, relatable and likable characters that have depth and personality. And I don't think it an unreasonable request that they attempt to create ONE character that embodies all of that, but just happens to be gay or bisexual. They have the means to create a gay character (one that would no doubt be stigmatized by some) that could bypass the stereotypes so casually thrown around in this thread. I feel like that would be a positive message not only for the game itself (diversity of characters) but also for the gaming community as a whole (not all gay men/women conform to foolish stereotypes).

[JamesMoriarty123]

Erode_The_Soul wrote...

JamesMoriarty123 wrote...

Women lobbying for this is just rediculous as well IMO. Why do you feel the abject need to watch 2 virtual men get it on? Completely beyond my ken.

Can't wait for ME3, so we can all be relieved/disappointed (delete as appropriate) and stop arguing the toss.
My money is on ZERO gay mansex in ME3. I highly doubt I'm gonna be made to eat my words.

It's called empathy, James. You don't have to be a homosexual man to understand their desire to have homosexual relationships in game. To suggest or imply that you do (by writing off the opinions of others as "ridiculous") is just plain incorrect.
I can't speak for everyone, but I know that I'm not "lobbying", as you so kindly put it, for virtual gay sex so I can get some sort of sexual gratification from it. If you are coming into these threads thinking that's what they are all about, then you are very misguided.

I personally think Bioware is a developer capable of creating fantastically memorable, relatable and likable characters that have depth and personality. And I don't think it an unreasonable request that they attempt to create ONE character that embodies all of that, but just happens to be gay or bisexual. They have the means to create a gay character (one that would no doubt be stigmatized by some) that could bypass the stereotypes so casually thrown around in this thread. I feel like that would be a positive message not only for the game itself (diversity of characters) but also for the gaming community as a whole (not all gay men/women conform to foolish stereotypes).

I'm not about enforcing stereotypes at all. The fact is they do exist for a reason, but obviously they are by no means 100% accurate, not even close. I know a lad who drinks in my Dad's pub, construction worker, looks and acts like your average site worker, just so happens to be able to rip most peoples heads off and **** down their neck, and he's a gay guy.

I've got nothing against the inclusion of a new m/m romance, sure I would prefer they didn't as the option just being there would make me uncomfortable, I'm honest about that, but the only time you'll see me get this vocal is when people lobby or insist that existing ESTABLISHED characters be changed.

Modifié par JamesMoriarty123, 11 février 2010 - 02:33 .

[Endurance_117]

Where are my black women act, they get oppressed like non other, In case, John Mayer.



PLAYBOY: Do black women throw themselves at you?



MAYER: I don’t think I open myself to it. My dick is sort of like a white supremacist. I’ve got a Benetton heart and a ****in’ David Duke ****. I’m going to start dating separately from my dick.

[PyroFreak301]

JamesMoriarty123 wrote...

You make it sound like not
including it would be the wrong thing? So by your measure they've done the wrong thing twice with zero negative impact? The great thing is, with sales figures as good as they got for these 2 games, they don't have to justify anything. If every person who was upset about not including a gay man on man romance voiced their opinions all at once it would be nothing more than a whimper in the grand scheme of things.

I hope they don't include it as much as you hope they include it. At the end of the day, we just have to let the chips fall where they may and see what happens.

Don't forget they also want to make a game that everyone enjoys, I'm sure they take pride in their work and wouldn't want to leave anything out they know customers would enjoy if it was relatively easy to implement.

With the amount of support this has got over people hoping there would be some in number 2, I wouldn't be so quick to go betting your house on there not being any gay relationships in ME3, especially when they're this early into development and things can still be changed. Whether they'll introduce one character that you can romance or make all characters available would be entirely up to Bioware, but telling people they are wrong for wanting Garrus/Kaiden doesn't help anyone.

Hell, I'd be alright with free release day DLC called 'Extended Romances" or something to that effect that would simply unlock F/F or M/M for people that want it. That way we avoid the offensiveness of a toggle switch, and everyone can download at their discretion.

Modifié par PyroFreak301, 11 février 2010 - 02:39 .

[Erode_The_Soul]

JamesMoriarty123 wrote...

I've got nothing against the inclusion of a new one, sure I would prefer they didn't as the option just being there would make me uncomfortable, I'm honest about that, but the only time you'll see me get this vocal is when people lobby or insist that existing ESTABLISHED characters be changed.

And I can understand that to a point, but there are some characters that legitimately fit the bill for being changed up a bit. LIke I mentioned a littler further up in the thread, Garrus is the example I would use. His relationship with Femshep is very gender neutral, and built on a foundation of mutual respect, friendship and trust. Given his neutral interactions with Femshep, his apathy towards humans in general but his intense affection for Shepard, and the basis of the romance make him a legitimate candidate.

That said, I would prefer a new character be established just as you do, because I feel tacking on a bisexual romance to an existing character would feel half-assed. Bioware is capable of incredibly fleshed out and detailed characters and, were they to put in a gay romance, I feel it should be given equal attention, not just tacked on for the sake of it.

[jpetrey123]

ughha ok i know a solution. they should have at the beginning of the game "do you want a same sex romance?" the answers should be "yes" or the better one "**** no get that **** out of here"

[JamesMoriarty123]

In real world terms the amount of support for it is pretty inconsequential. 250 members in a group and about 20 active posters that have somehow managed over 200 pages Which is quite staggering, but still, 2000 people posting once is worth more than 20 people posting 100 times. There have been petitions for many games by target audience fans numbering in the 200K signature range that have just been pushed aside, the most obvious recent example is MW2, I didn't buy it as I knew MP would suck without dedicated servers, and I was right.
Given the evidence up to date and the fact is isn't in either of the 2 games that are out (despite the option and the support threads from 3 years ago) indicates that they won't change up for ME3.

Also I'd be behind that DLC Extended Idea 100% Pyro m8.

Modifié par JamesMoriarty123, 11 février 2010 - 02:45 .

[TheBestClass]

I'm all for gay romances but I have to admit, I don't see a lot of gay people playing this game. If most of the people arguing for gay m/m romances are women who want to see it for the same reason most men want to see a f/f romance, then I really don't care because that's just fantasizing; the inclusion of which is completely up to the developers.

[Erode_The_Soul]

JamesMoriarty123 wrote...

In real world terms the amount of support for it is pretty inconsequential. 250 members in a group and about 20 active posters that have somehow managed over 200 pages Which is quite staggering, but still, 2000 people posting once is worth more than 20 people posting 100 times. There have been petitions for many games by target audience fans numbering in the 200K signature range that have just been pushed aside, the most obvious recent example is MW2, I didn't buy it as I knew MP would suck without dedicated servers, and I was right.
Given the evidence up to date and the fact is isn't in either of the 2 games that are out (despite the option and the support threads from 3 years ago) indicates that they won't change up for ME3.

We all may just be screaming at a brick wall, but the screaming isn't really hurting anyone, yeah?

I don't think anyone here is under any illusions that Bioware will bow to the might of our three volume thread, but just keeping quiet and sitting in the corner just because our numbers aren't to the level of the Tali-mancers (just for examples sake) isn't likely to do much either.

So, if we're stuck between voicing our opinions on the matter while getting nothing much accomplished  and sitting idly by while getting nothing much accomplished, I'd much rather put my voice out there, if only for the small hope that Bioware might listen.