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[NerdWithBigStick]

I'm just going to sign this and say YES -- I would like the option to have a same-sex romance. 

I am a gay male IRL and while it doesn't define who I am in total it is certainly no small part of my daily being and life ... I no more want to romance a virtual woman than I think most heterosexual males would want to be forced to romance a virtual man. 

Just the same way that heterosexuals aren't interested in being forced to romance the same sex - I'm not interested in romancing the opposite one.  And unfortunately in Mass Effect - despite the wonderful history that BioWare has in keeping its RP options diverse - that option is gone.  My only option is to have no romance at all.

I understand there is dialogue that *is actually in the games* (the videos and save files are plain as day on YouTube for both ME1 and ME2 continuations with Kaiden as the same-sex partner) ... which is why I find this whole thing even sillier ... if the dialogue is in there (and you can see the videos and play from the saves yourself -- the voice dialog was recorded and obviously made to play out in a specific way - the mod merely unlocks it - so clearly at some point it WAS intended, whatever BioWare heads may say otherwise)

... but I would prefer that it simply be an option in the game, to start with.

That's it.

In the end this game franchise - and yes, even my straight-as-an-arrow John Shepard - kicks total ass, either way ... it would just kick slightly more ass if I could roleplay a romance that has some defining point for me as a player.



Over and out -

Nerd

[Ryzaki]

Nautica773 wrote...

Treavor647 wrote...
how small??  if you read the thread there are actually lot of homosexual game players, and alot of heterosexual gamers looking for this also.   And again, they have homosexual content already in the game, its just female/female.  I think they are just asking why have that and not the male/male aspect?  its ok for femshep to like women but not ok for maleshep to like men?

Some people appear to think that if it's not in the majority then it's not worth considering.

I can't wait until Chinese people are the majority and everyone starts eventually catering to them. At least then the now majority will know how the heck it feels. <_<

[Madame November]

Sphaerus wrote...

colossally small

Oxy says what?<3

[Sphaerus]

Nautica773 wrote...

Treavor647 wrote...
how small??  if you read the thread there are actually lot of homosexual game players, and alot of heterosexual gamers looking for this also.   And again, they have homosexual content already in the game, its just female/female.  I think they are just asking why have that and not the male/male aspect?  its ok for femshep to like women but not ok for maleshep to like men?

Some people appear to think that if it's not in the majority then it's not worth considering.

I'm more suggesting that if you're not the majourity or even a minourity of considerable size, you probably shouldn't expect people to go way out of their way to cater to you unless they, too, are members of your particular group.  Hell, I belong to one of the most-hated groups in all human history which also happens to be a non-majourity in most every place in the world, I'm usually pretty tickled when I just don't get any guff.

If you get what you want, be happy about it; if you don't get something that gives you a reason to be pissed, be happy about that, too.  I dunno, maybe I'm just a different kind of self-important.

[Nautica773]

Sphaerus wrote...
I'm more suggesting that if you're not the majourity or even a minourity of considerable size, you probably shouldn't expect people to go way out of their way to cater to you unless they, too, are members of your particular group.  Hell, I belong to one of the most-hated groups in all human history which also happens to be a non-majourity in most every place in the world, I'm usually pretty tickled when I just don't get any guff.

I don't think anyone (okay, most people) believe BioWare is going to cater to their tastes. Mostly, they would like to see the option implemented and so they are letting BioWare know of their interests. No one is asking that everyone become gay to suit their needs. 

Also, BioWare has a history of including content for them, so it is not unreasonable to request it for this game. The knowledge that BioWare has developed content for both games also gives posters hope they finally implement it in the final installment.

[Temper_Graniteskul]

Sphaerus wrote...

Nautica773 wrote...

Treavor647 wrote...
how small??  if you read the thread there are actually lot of homosexual game players, and alot of heterosexual gamers looking for this also.   And again, they have homosexual content already in the game, its just female/female.  I think they are just asking why have that and not the male/male aspect?  its ok for femshep to like women but not ok for maleshep to like men?

Some people appear to think that if it's not in the majority then it's not worth considering.

I'm more suggesting that if you're not the majourity or even a minourity of considerable size, you probably shouldn't expect people to go way out of their way to cater to you unless they, too, are members of your particular group.  Hell, I belong to one of the most-hated groups in all human history which also happens to be a non-majourity in most every place in the world, I'm usually pretty tickled when I just don't get any guff.

If you get what you want, be happy about it; if you don't get something that gives you a reason to be pissed, be happy about that, too.  I dunno, maybe I'm just a different kind of self-important.

Thing is, there's evidence that points to them already having gone 'out of their way' to develop content. It just didn't make the final cut, for unknown reasons. These threads are a way to try to nudge them past the line of 'developed but didn't implement' to 'developed and implemented.'

Modifié par Temper_Graniteskul, 11 février 2010 - 08:20 .

[Arik7]

Sphaerus wrote...
Hell, I belong to one of the most-hated groups in all human history which also happens to be a non-majourity in most every place in the world, I'm usually pretty tickled when I just don't get any guff.

Which most-hated group is that?  Trolls?  

The reason we have these threads is to demonstrate that there is significant demand for same-sex romances in ME.    The opponents are obviously the minority in this case.

[Sphaerus]

Arik7 wrote...

Sphaerus wrote...
Hell, I belong to one of the most-hated groups in all human history which also happens to be a non-majourity in most every place in the world, I'm usually pretty tickled when I just don't get any guff.

Which most-hated group is that?  Trolls?  

The reason we have these threads is to demonstrate that there is significant demand for same-sex romances in ME.    The opponents are obviously the minority in this case.

I never stated that I was an opponent, more my befuddlement over the "why".

Also, I like that only "your" (editorial "you", not "you" you) group gets to be discriminated against.

[Treavor647]

Sphaerus wrote...

Nautica773 wrote...

Treavor647 wrote...
how small??  if you read the thread there are actually lot of homosexual game players, and alot of heterosexual gamers looking for this also.   And again, they have homosexual content already in the game, its just female/female.  I think they are just asking why have that and not the male/male aspect?  its ok for femshep to like women but not ok for maleshep to like men?

Some people appear to think that if it's not in the majority then it's not worth considering.

I'm more suggesting that if you're not the majourity or even a minourity of considerable size, you probably shouldn't expect people to go way out of their way to cater to you unless they, too, are members of your particular group.  Hell, I belong to one of the most-hated groups in all human history which also happens to be a non-majourity in most every place in the world, I'm usually pretty tickled when I just don't get any guff.

If you get what you want, be happy about it; if you don't get something that gives you a reason to be pissed, be happy about that, too.  I dunno, maybe I'm just a different kind of self-important.

Again there are more homosexuals out there then you care to admit.  Living in Europe for a time and now living in Canada i see that plainly, (which is where Bioware is located).  I dont expect them to cater to the group, i just wish they go ahead and intergrate all of the content equally, since they did it already for female shepard.   My question would be why have the lesbian option with female shepard with Kelly Chambers and not with male shepard?  They had enough time to write that one in.  

[Mendelevosa]

[Nautica773]

Sphaerus wrote...
Also, I like that only "your" (editorial "you", not "you" you) group gets to be discriminated against.

(I'm assuming this comment is directed at discrimination in the game and not in the greater world.)

I think it's silly to believe that BioWare is discriminating. Considering that the Asari are basically just a huge lesbian race, female Shepard has same-sex flirting and that there are a couple of NPCs that clearly aren't heterosexual suggests quite the opposite. I think people would just like the option for a romance they're interested in. Not unreasonable, especially since romance threads like Tali or Garrus' don't receive nearly as much flak.

[Treavor647]

Mendelevosa wrote...

i need to find a way to make the pic my sig :-D

[Br0th3rGr1mm]

Wow..if this is a big enough issue for you to have a banner in your signature, professional help may be needed. Step back and actually write down on paper what you are "fighting" for and then read it out loud. If you kept a straight (no pun intended) face, seek professional help...seriously.

[Ryzaki]

Mendelevosa wrote...

Awesome pic.

Is Awesome.
<3

[Yeled]

I'm not sure the homosexual community constitutes a very small group.  Statistically I think it represents, what, about 10 percent of the population.  I'm assuming that applies to gamers as well, though it could skew a bit...though I don't know why it would.  It might even skew higher than 10 percent since Bioware has a history of including this kind of content so a greater than stricktly average number of gay players might flock to their games.


If 10 percent of ME2 players are gay, that means about 200,000 gay players purchased copies of ME2 in the first week alone.  That's a hell of a lot of people to be labeling a very small minority.


Plus, there is a large number of straight players (like me) who fully support the inclusion of this content.  So the number of players who might be interested in this content or are fully in support of its inclusion is likely higher.

Modifié par Yeled, 11 février 2010 - 08:35 .

[Nautica773]

Yeled wrote...

I'm not sure the homosexual community constitutes a very small group.  Statistically I think it represents, what, about 10 percent of the population.  I'm assuming that applies to gamers as well, though it could skew a bit...though I don't know why it would.  It might even skew higher than 10 percent since Bioware has a history of including this kind of content so a greater than stricktly average number of gay players might flock to their games.


If 10 percent of ME2 players are gay, that means about 200,000 gay players purchased copies of ME2 in the first week alone.  That's a hell of a lot of people to be labeling a very small minority.


Plus, there is a large number of straight players (like me) who fully support the inclusion of this content.  So the number of players who might be interested in this content or are fully in support of its inclusion is likely higher.

I wanted to post this, but couldn't be bothered to look up any of the numbers. Thank you for that! :happy:

[Duckduden]

i am ok with gay romance in Me, as long as it is clearly separated from the other dialogue. So that my Shepard does not go gay, when i am trying to be friendly with other male characters.

[Wittand25]

Br0th3rGr1mm wrote...

Wow..if this is a big enough issue for you to have a banner in your signature, professional help may be needed. Step back and actually write down on paper what you are "fighting" for and then read it out loud. If you kept a straight (no pun intended) face, seek professional help...seriously.

Considering you find the topic important enough to respond, maybe we are not the only ones in need for professional help ?

Oh and it is a trivial matter sure, but it is a trivial matter that we can try to to something about about.

[Yeled]

Duckduden wrote...

i am ok with gay romance in Me, as long as it is clearly separated from the other dialogue. So that my Shepard does not go gay, when i am trying to be friendly with other male characters.

I kind of think all romance options should fall into this category.  I'm not particularly interested in "relieving stress" with Turians.  Romance options could be in GREEN text to make it clear you are making a romantic choice.

[Wittand25]

Yeled wrote...

Duckduden wrote...

i am ok with gay romance in Me, as long as it is clearly separated from the other dialogue. So that my Shepard does not go gay, when i am trying to be friendly with other male characters.

I kind of think all romance options should fall into this category.  I'm not particularly interested in "relieving stress" with Turians.  Romance options could be in GREEN text to make it clear you are making a romantic choice.

 
Yes romantic or sexual text should definatly get marked, because I dont think anyone wants to have the same surprise that the consort in ME1 had in store for anyone asking for more money.

[FKA_Servo]

To be fair though, if you're paying any sort of attention to the dialog and context rather than clicking through it absent-mindedly, it's pretty difficult to start that sort of thing by accident in all of them. The flirty responses are pretty blatant.

Modifié par TommyServo, 11 février 2010 - 08:56 .

[Yeled]

TommyServo wrote...

To be fair though, if you're paying any sort of attention to the dialog and context rather than clicking through it absent-mindedly, it's pretty difficult to start that sort of thing by accident in all of them. The flirty responses are pretty blatent.

Agreed.  I haven't actually started anything accidently.  I just think it would be a nice idea to mark them all. 

[Jimmy Fury]

Sphaerus wrote...

I'm just gonna ask...
Why does everything need a "gay" aspect? It's a tiny percentage of the people who are into it, and more people are either annoyed or outright offended by overt sexuality than who embrace it. I'm sorry your tiny fringe didn't get your wishes fulfilled, but hey, that sucks, you're a colossally small number of people and nothing was actively done to offend you, you're just pissed because nothing was actively done to pander to you.

Just. Saying.

Sorry I'm late to this one. Figured the thread was slow enough that I could get some quality scanning time in. my mistake!

I think you may be misunderstanding the purpose of the thread. Nobody is claiming everything needs a "gay aspect" nor are we saying Bioware did anything blatantly offensive (A few might make such a claim but I would debate that with them myself).
We are simply requesting the inclusion of something we perceive was removed without just cause.
Our biggest, i dunno... issue? I suppose that's the right word. Anyway, our biggest issue is that every other basic sexuality is present in the game. Heterosexuality, bisexuality, and lesbianism are all present. We see this as an oversight considering a homosexual-male option was originally slated then later removed.
I don't see us as being particularly pissed about it. Confused certainly. Frustrated in some cases. That general "oh... uhm... huh" feeling you get when picked last for the team-most assuredly.

[Lightice_av]

When people say that the people interested in same-sex romances are a too small audience to carter, I think they should remind themselves that the game includes a turian romance. I'm perfectly sure that more people are interested in same-sex romance than avian mandibles - no offense Garrus fans, but I don't think that you guys are a bigger group.

[DaeJi]

I personally do believe that the amount of people who look forward to and actively want same sex content is smaller than some other groups; however, the amount of people who would pay for the content and play it is a fair sized group. My opinion of course.