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Yeah, I wish the developers would let us know what the real reason is for exlusion of same-sex romances from ME2.DaySeeker wrote...
Why have we not heard anything from Bioware? We have had many of these threads and get no hint of explanation from anyone part of the game. Why is that?
Modifié par Arik7, 12 février 2010 - 02:31 .
Modifié par Jimmy Fury, 12 février 2010 - 02:36 .
Jimmy Fury wrote...
So far Dragon Age has sold more copies in it's first 13 week than ME did in the same time period!
I have a chart!
http://www.vgchartz....s Effect - X360[7635]®2=America&game2=Dragon+Age%3A+Origins+-+X360[33505]®3=America&game3=&weeks=20
Modifié par Arik7, 12 février 2010 - 02:56 .
Modifié par LOST SPARTANJLC, 12 février 2010 - 03:13 .
LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...
I'm not saying my answer is the best answer.You can pick it apart all you like , in the end it doesn't change the fact that it's my opinion.
Yes , I brought up male/male and female/female. Yes male/male existed back then , but which one was more accepted.Two woman that liked each other , entertainment for one man to watch was more acceptable and in more places than two males being in a same sex relationship.
biddypocket wrote...
LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...
I'm not saying my answer is the best answer.You can pick it apart all you like , in the end it doesn't change the fact that it's my opinion.
Yes , I brought up male/male and female/female. Yes male/male existed back then , but which one was more accepted.Two woman that liked each other , entertainment for one man to watch was more acceptable and in more places than two males being in a same sex relationship.
....this is a classic example of ethnocentrism, across milleniua. Two women engaging in sex was NOT more pleasurable to men than two men in ancient times. You're taking your experience as (presumably) a male, probably from north america, and trying to apply it to a civilization that existed literally thousands of years ago. They didn't have the same mindset that men are socialize to have today.....men weren't generally more pleased by the thought of two women. Sexuality was fluid, and as I stated, sexual relations between men were seen as idyllic, and were common.
I'm not trying to argue with your opinion, but stop making this argument. It's just wrong. Incorrect. You can have your opinion, but stop trying to mis-state history.
Jimmy Fury wrote...
As the lead designer of the game his word is Gospel.
Source: xbox360.ign.com/articles/106/1066954p2.html
Ray Muzyka: Here's how the games are different: Dragon Age is a first person narrative, where you're taking on an origin and a role, and you are that character at a fundamental level. It's fundamentally about defining your character, including those kinds of concepts. In Mass Effect it's more a third person narrative, where you have a pre-defined character who is who he is, or she is. But it's not a wide-open choice matrix. It's more choice on a tactical level with a pre-defined character. So they're different types of narratives, and that's intentional.
Modifié par Space Shot, 12 février 2010 - 03:29 .
Whoa, this is new and exiting information..... *rolls eyes*Space Shot wrote...
Jimmy Fury wrote...
As the lead designer of the game his word is Gospel.
The co-founder of Bioware's is Commandment, then.Source: xbox360.ign.com/articles/106/1066954p2.html
Ray Muzyka: Here's how the games are different: Dragon Age is a first person narrative, where you're taking on an origin and a role, and you are that character at a fundamental level. It's fundamentally about defining your character, including those kinds of concepts. In Mass Effect it's more a third person narrative, where you have a pre-defined character who is who he is, or she is. But it's not a wide-open choice matrix. It's more choice on a tactical level with a pre-defined character. So they're different types of narratives, and that's intentional.
What's more is that this is actually in context, too.
Endurance_117 wrote...
biddypocket wrote...
LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...
I'm not saying my answer is the best answer.You can pick it apart all you like , in the end it doesn't change the fact that it's my opinion.
Yes , I brought up male/male and female/female. Yes male/male existed back then , but which one was more accepted.Two woman that liked each other , entertainment for one man to watch was more acceptable and in more places than two males being in a same sex relationship.
....this is a classic example of ethnocentrism, across milleniua. Two women engaging in sex was NOT more pleasurable to men than two men in ancient times. You're taking your experience as (presumably) a male, probably from north america, and trying to apply it to a civilization that existed literally thousands of years ago. They didn't have the same mindset that men are socialize to have today.....men weren't generally more pleased by the thought of two women. Sexuality was fluid, and as I stated, sexual relations between men were seen as idyllic, and were common.
I'm not trying to argue with your opinion, but stop making this argument. It's just wrong. Incorrect. You can have your opinion, but stop trying to mis-state history.
history is written by the winners
LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...
Yes , Dragon Age has it but what's the bigger game , Dragon Age or Mass Effect 2 right now.It's very important that it's thought about.If I was corporate taking a chance and putting same sex in the lesser title seems like a safe bet.
Jimmy Fury wrote...
LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...
Yes , Dragon Age has it but what's the bigger game , Dragon Age or Mass Effect 2 right now.It's very important that it's thought about.If I was corporate taking a chance and putting same sex in the lesser title seems like a safe bet.
W...Why didn't you read m-my chart
Comparing DA and ME2 is invalid because a sequal will have an established fanbase who will purchase it with little regard to the content.
Now, comparing DA with ME1 is an accurate comparison because they are both the first of a series. In that case DA has sold more copies in 13 weeks than ME1 did in the same amount of time.
Arik7 wrote...
Whoa, this is new and exiting information..... *rolls eyes*
Modifié par Space Shot, 12 février 2010 - 03:56 .
Unfortunately this is just a flaw of westerm society today, one that doesn't have a quick fix. That being said, I think all forms of media should make an effort not to avoid the issue, if people are presented with it in a casual manner often enough they wont care so much. Acceptance through indifference is the way to go.LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...
How is it a mis-statement of history because I wasn't around back then. Most evidence points to the fact a relationship of male watching female/female for entertainment happen a lot more with a man usually joining in.You show me evidence of woman watching male/male and joined in more than the other way around back then.You may find the instance of it , but I bet on the male female/female was more common even accepted out in the open in just about every place.You would have officials or rulers of some kind engaging in the above statement.Woman had less
rights back then.
You can call my thinking whatever ism you want your opinion.It doesn't change the fact , the way the world sees same sex can differ.A man could see or hear rumors about to females engaging in a sex act and before it and aside from rumors spreading no real damage will occur.If a woman talks about saying : I had sex with a man and woman .Most will be that's crazy but nothing you never heard before and she will be seen as ok probably won't even lose any friends over it .
If you flip it around if a guy who's known as being straight tells another guy I don't care what race I had sex with a woman and a guy.The first thing the other guy going to say is : you mean another guy was their but you did stuff with a girl.Once he clarifies he had same sex with a guy or even he had same sex with another guy alone.As I said before if he works with that person his reputation will be destroyed , he can lose friends/family will look at him different and no matter if he was experimenting he will always be seen as gay.
I've never been directly apart of any of those situation's , but going by again my experience , what I would hear and see were I'm from.
As I said before even though I align myself in the male/female group.If they announced same sex for ME3 I'm for it.All I'm trying to represent my opinion on why more games don't include same sex , whether it makes some mad or hostile because I stated again my opinion.
Yeah, we should all just lower our expectations and be treated like second class citizents.Space Shot wrote...
Arik7 wrote...
Whoa, this is new and exiting information..... *rolls eyes*
LOL, well...no...it wouldn't be, but then again not being able to have a same sex relationship with a non-Asari in Mass Effect isn't exactly a new or exiting thing either.
You (generally speaking) may have expected something else based on the theory of escalation but ultimately that fault does not lie with Bioware but your own unrestrained expectations.
Modifié par Arik7, 12 février 2010 - 04:08 .
Jimmy Fury wrote...
Lost...
Let me just stop you there real quick and help you put something in perspective...
You're trying to debate the history of homosexual relationships... with a bunch of geeky homosexuals...
Are you sure that's the wisest thing to do?
I won't get involved in it myself because it reminds of the time my old supervisor thought he could debate X-men comics with me. He saw the old cartoon. I've been collecting the comics for almost 20 years... he was waaaay out of his league lol
I don't think anyone is disagreeing with you? You said you would be fine with it in game and that's considered the right answer in this thread.LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...
Really,I'm flawed because I'm apart of Western civilization and don't agree with what you say because everything you say is right I'm not aloud to have an opinion.
Let me say this again , I'm not saying my opinion is any kind of fix.I'm merely stating my opinion.I'm allowed to do so , this is the whole point of posting forums.I don't have to conform to anybody's opinion , otherwise it would no longer be my opinion.
Don't know what the heck your getting out of my opinion , but I guess whatever makes you feel good.Yeah , I'll agree most forms a media shouldn't avoid an issue but you know what it happens and it's only human to do so.
I'm moving on from my opinion back on to the thread you can say whatever.I'm taking the high road.
Modifié par PyroFreak301, 12 février 2010 - 04:35 .
I don't know why so many people are quick to quote on-the-spot interview replies for their argument. They're always answered in such a way that's so perfectly vague, that they haven't dodged the question, but nor have they answered it. You can pretty much read into it and get any answer you want out of it.Dunhart wrote...
Ehh... I read Ray Muzyka's reply and all I'm getting is "we didn't implement possible gay romance because we think Shepard shouldn't/couldn't be gay", like it would be some sort of insult to a pre-determined character or the work they've done.
And, once again, I'd find the argument that "Mass Effect it's more a third person narrative, where you have a pre-defined character who is who he is, or she is." a lot more believable if there weren't so many romanceable NPCs, two of which are possible lesbian romances. I try to avoid strong words like 'homophobe', but this is definitely fishy.
I'm saving my love for the Dragon Age team from now on.
Modifié par PyroFreak301, 12 février 2010 - 05:01 .
PyroFreak301 wrote...
I don't know why so many people are quick to quote on-the-spot interview replies for their argument. They're always answered in such a way that's so perfectly vague, that they haven't dodged the question, but nor have they answered it. You can pretty much read into it and get any answer you want out of it.
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