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[Akrim_Drak]

newcomplex wrote...

I know you're not interested in gay porn in ME, but it would be construed as a gay sex DLC.    

I completely understand. It would have to be packed with a whole bunch of other stuff that that aspect became an afterthought. I guess it'd almost have to be an expansion to even work.

[United Servo Academy Choir]

newcomplex wrote...

Also, I was gonna edit this in, but hell, it warrants its own post.

Their are very large political implications for making homosexuals buy a separate content package in order to pursue their relationships. It is probably not how bioware would intend it, but it would be misconstrued. In fact, both the Homophobes and the Gay political community would take it the wrong way. Obviously, Bioware devs can see how it isn't in their best interests to do something like that.  

They could avoid it if it were just a free update.  Handle it like any other - autodisconnect, download, and you're done.  Hell, I think making the download not optional - ie "This is a part of the game as we intended" - would send a positive message, even if the content in the patch is optional (which, as lots of people have said, it should be).

[sw33ts]

octoberfire wrote...

sw33ts wrote...

Arik7 wrote...

octoberfire wrote...

At this point, I think it's too late and sort of fruitless to try to change existing characters. I agree that for future purposes, the ME team should at least consider NEW characters for same sex romances.

Actually I wouldn't mind restoring Kaidan's bisexuality, as it was originally intended but not complete.  But if the fans are against it, then new bi characters should be introduced....

I wouldn't mind them restoring all the orginal bisexuals, Tali, Kaidan, Ashley, Thane.  I don't see an issue with that and I don't understand why some people would be against that.  If that were implimented as well as the pink or some other color curly font romance dialogue I don't see how you can ACCIDENTLY turn your straight Shepard into straight man accidently flirting with a bi man.

It's just damage control. I can see a whole bunch of people being pissed off about it and stirring a s*** storm over it. I wouldn't mind either way, but I'd rather they put more effort into new and better romances. I don't want them to go "Ok, so we made them bi again. That's what you wanted, but don't expect anything new in ME3."

Lol, I see your point, but I highly doubt that implementing what was already there still in the game files is that hard to reinstate if a few modders can do.  So can they.  It's not as if they removed the fact that if my FemShep romanced ashley then her face comes up on the picture in the commanders bedroom.  They could do 1 patch maybe 2 for any lose ends just to make it official isntead of bootleg modding and also make who was it?  Handel?  As well.  I just want Tali. 

[Nautica773]

TommyServo wrote...
They could avoid it if it were just a free update.  Handle it like any other - autodisconnect, download, and you're done.  Hell, I think making the download not optional - ie "This is a part of the game as we intended" - would send a positive message, even if the content in the patch is optional (which, as lots of people have said, it should be).

I'll be very surprised if it's a DLC. It will be difficult getting Mark Meer and Jennifer Hale back for voice work on top with the short deadline and the amount of worked involved with romance subplots. I feel that's why Zaeed has so little interaction with Shepard. 

I think it's most likely going to be in ME3 or not at all. I wouldn't be against the DLC (other than I wouldn't buy it since I have yet to see a DLC worth its price) I just don't think it's likely.

[newcomplex]

TommyServo wrote...

newcomplex wrote...

Also, I was gonna edit this in, but hell, it warrants its own post.

Their are very large political implications for making homosexuals buy a separate content package in order to pursue their relationships. It is probably not how bioware would intend it, but it would be misconstrued. In fact, both the Homophobes and the Gay political community would take it the wrong way. Obviously, Bioware devs can see how it isn't in their best interests to do something like that.  

They could avoid it if it were just a free update.  Handle it like any other - autodisconnect, download, and you're done.  Hell, I think making the download not optional - ie "This is a part of the game as we intended" - would send a positive message, even if the content in the patch is optional (which, as lots of people have said, it should be).

Steam forces patches, X-box does too to an extent.    I've literally seen (and known) people who didn't buy Dragon Age simply because they didn't like the gay sex.    Sure, they're a minority, but its really scandelous to make a game, then patch in homosexual romances with implied sex (aka gay sex to the masses).    An optional patch would be equally problematic, because otherwise the patch would have to contain nothing else but gay romance.     Which would be almost even more problematic, because now you have bioware creating an option patch that caters towards the male homosexual minority.     Thats making a statement.

Remember, Bioware is a game company.    Their not trying to change homosexual relations.     Making political comments, even unintentional, is bad.     

The best way they could do it would be to incorperate a full blown expansion DLC as Akrim suggested, and among other stuff, add a bi character.     This would cause the least controversy, as it becomes marketed as a product with its own sub-plot, but happens to include a bisexual character.     But that requires, well, making an actual expansion.    

Their are still continuity problems, but by grounding it within ME2, it becomes a lot more believable then waiting until ME3.    

Modifié par newcomplex, 09 février 2010 - 10:22 .

[Jimmy Fury]

Arik7 wrote...

The previous thread was locked after reaching 123 pages.

SOME people have stated that Mass Effect 2 has no male/male romance option because Commander Shepard is a pre-defined character who "is who he is, or she is. But it's not a wide-open choice matrix. It's more choice on a tactical level with a pre-defined character."

However, that statement contradicts what Casey Hudson stated about Shepard back in 2007:
"Commander Shepard can be designed and created however you want, thanks to a very detailed character customization system. Between the development of your character's abilities and the customization of your equipment, vehicles and even other members of your squad, you will have a ton of opportunity to customize your game experience. Mass Effect starts with a deep character customization system, allowing you to choose Commander Shepard as you've seen him before or to create your own Commander Shepard. Your character can be male or female, and you will have an extreme level of detail in creating your character's appearance. You can choose a character class to get you started in defining your starting set of abilities, and you can even choose your back-story so that you can define what your life has been like leading up to the start of the game."
Source: www.xboxgazette.com/interview_mass_effect_en.php

Thank you Arik!
As much as I respect Dr. Ray, Casey is a lot more connected to the creation and continuation of Shepard. If I had to take one statement as gospel about the character, it would be Casey's.

@Wittand
cool sorry I just wasn't sure what you were saying lol

I'm still backing the DLC option. Just seems to be the easiest, least disruptive, and least confrontational.

edit: Oh and I don't think anyone could accuse a DLC character of being a "gay sex pack" since there isn't any explicit sex anywhere in ME.

Modifié par Jimmy Fury, 09 février 2010 - 10:25 .

[anillop]

It's Bioware's story and they can write it the way they want to. If they decided not to include gay romance options it is their prerogative. Coming around and complaining over and over again doesn't accomplish anything. I would be fine if they were in the story but i am also fine if they are not.



Besides the romances in the story are kind of lame anyway so your not missing much. I mean as soon as you get a little sexy time the romance sub-plot is over. So nothing is gained or lost from the romances and they just feel tacked on.

[JamesMoriarty123]

It's pointless dicussing changes to established characters, as we've mentoined many times previous, their backstories are well established. Kaiden/Thane/Garrus/Tali all straight.
I know people just have these crazy infatuations with them and read stuff into it but it's just not going to happen. Seriosuly if they changed the current characters, I would boycott ME3 and probably all future Bioware products.

The fact that they had rough draft material on hand and didn't implement it (twice) makes no difference at all. The ACTUAL game is what counts, not some cut stuff that people have never seen unless they are looking for it.
100% of players who've played Mass Effect (wishful thinking on the gay communities part aside) would naturally come to the conclusion that those mentioned above are clearly straight. I'm kind of sick of repeating the evidence for it so I wont, needless to say just search the other thread.

You guys would stand a better chance if you all just got on the same page. Vote new character, it's simple as that.

Modifié par JamesMoriarty123, 09 février 2010 - 10:27 .

[Nautica773]

Jimmy Fury wrote...
Thank you Arik!
As much as I respect Dr. Ray, Casey is a lot more connected to the creation and continuation of Shepard. If I had to take one statement as gospel about the character, it would be Casey's.

@Wittand
cool sorry I just wasn't sure what you were saying lol

I'm still backing the DLC option. Just seems to be the easiest, least disruptive, and least confrontational.

We are aware that BioWare's never officially stated that Commander Shepard can't/won't have a gay romance right? Almost all the answers to the question of its inclusion are rather obvious dodges.

[FataliTensei]

Glad to see the thread is still alive

[Madame November]

It wouldn't be the "Gay DLC" if it had new romance options for all. I think there could stand to be a few new romance options for straight fem-shep's as well.<3

Modifié par November Cousland, 09 février 2010 - 10:28 .

[sw33ts]

JamesMoriarty123 wrote...

It's pointless dicussing changes to established characters, as we've mentoined many times previous, their backstories are well established. Kaiden/Thane/Garrus/Tali all straight.
I know people just have these crazy infatuations with them and read stuff into it but it's just not going to happen. Seriosuly if they changed the current characters, I would boycott ME3 and probably all future Bioware products.

The fact that they had rough draft material on hand and didn't implement it (twice) makes no difference at all. The ACTUAL game is what counts, not some cut stuff that people have never seen unless they are looking for it.
100% of players who've played Mass Effect (wishful thinking on the gay communities part aside) would naturally come to the conclusion that those mentioned above are clearly straight. I'm kind of sick of repeating the evidence for it so I wont, needless to say just search the other thread.

You guys would stand a better chance if you all just got on the same page. Vote new character, it's simple as that.

Tali didn't seem extremely straight to me.  It seems she loves Shepard whether Shepard a guy or girl...have you played as FemShep yet?  The last conversation you have before she goes all the Engine is dirty or w/e is pretty...bi-curious to say the least.  And also I've said this before, I thought Thane was going to be gay at least bi...before I knew his sexuality...same with tali as you can see..and Jack. These were based on conversations with them...nothing else.

[United Servo Academy Choir]

anillop wrote...

It's Bioware's story and they can write it the way they want to. If they decided not to include gay romance options it is their prerogative. Coming around and complaining over and over again doesn't accomplish anything. I would be fine if they were in the story but i am also fine if they are not.

Besides the romances in the story are kind of lame anyway so your not missing much. I mean as soon as you get a little sexy time the romance sub-plot is over. So nothing is gained or lost from the romances and they just feel tacked on.

If it's true that they had the dialog and such coded in, even tentatively, the conspiracy theorist in me says that either EA or Bioware's BA office leaned on them til they took it out just to avoid any possible "bad" press.

That said, a lot of people like that aspect the most and are distressed that it isn't developed as fully as it could be.  And, as I mentioned in a previous post, the precedent is there, in ME1 with femshep/Liara and in other Bioware games, most notably DA. 

Lots of people rage about how a good business listens to their customers (of course, this is typically in reference to the changed combat and removal of extraneous palette swap armors).  A lot of people who love the characters and world want to see this go in.  And again, nothing would be altered by adding this optional content, and lots would be gained.

[Policyofnoreturn]

/signed now please deliver.

[Daewan]

I support this thread in all its incarnations.

I would love to have a gay male Shepard and explore some of the same possibilities that the femShep got. I would love to have my femShep have a genuine in-game relationship with an actual human female, not ten minutes with a tart.

[ZMJ10]

i support this thread and its fight im a straight man but i support gay and lesbian romances. Get this old world thinking out of your games Bioware its gonna hurt you in the long run take a step into the future and be brave in a deadly media do it!!!!

[Jimmy Fury]

November Cousland wrote...

It wouldn't be the "Gay DLC" if it had new romance options for all. I think there could stand to be a few new romance options for straight fem-shep's as well.<3

Including other characters and content would certainly make it appeal to a wider audience, so an Expansion would probably be required for something of that scale.

[SethSteiner]

I hope firstly Kasumi is going to be romancable for FemShep and is a very interestic, deep character. After that point I hope someday for a Directors Cut and of course before or if it will never came a well made mod. Male / Male, Female / Female, Female / Male, I want everything.

[Madame November]

Well, it certainly does seem like a patch to reopen the bi options is the easiest fix...

[Madame November]

I also wish Aria was romanceable...

[Nautica773]

November Cousland wrote...

I also wish Aria was romanceable...

Romances with Carrie-Anne Moss always end poorly.

[FataliTensei]

New characters in ME3 or DLC for ME2, whatever works, I'll take it

[YakoHako]

I wouldn't mind it. I'm done arguing for it. These threads just turn into homophobic ****s spewing **** and we (people in support of a gay option) just end up defending ourselves the entire time.

[Arik7]

YakoHako wrote...

I wouldn't mind it. I'm done arguing for it. These threads just turn into homophobic ****s spewing **** and we (people in support of a gay option) just end up defending ourselves the entire time.

This thread has been overwhemingly positive so far....  Let's hope this continues....