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[Beregar]

JamesMoriarty123 wrote...
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One of the guys here counted up, 57 people support the option, well I'm sorry but if every developer just dropped their hats everytime a vocal minority of under 10,000 people started whining, then we just wouldn't get many games, good ones at least. </snip>

You conveniently forgot the second part of the post and entirely missed the point. You can't really know if the "vocal minority" is under 10000 people or what not. Most active forum threads have similar numbers. You can hardly expect to get 10000 names to a petition released on a forum for a game that isn't even online game, not if it's not official "poll", and this isn't even a petition.

In fact if we look at poster numbers only, judging by the responses to this thread by those who oppose it are seriously outnumbered - a minority. Perhaps if the poll was released on the front page and remained there for a few months we might get more accurate numbers when it comes to whole *online* community but even so, there are plenty of people who don't visit the forums. Options for "yes", "no", "don't care" should cover it.

Current poll seems to have gathered 76000 votes and probably has been there a while (considering it asks what class you are planning to play in ME2). Quite small number considering Bioware has over 4 million registered members.

[Sabul]

JamesMoriarty123 wrote...
Yeah, but it isn't so easy to sell gay men to straight guys, and thats what this thread is about. Also, the inclusion of a gay romance as DLC although a good idea, in practice probably not as only gay guys and straight women who wanna see it would buy it. There's no reason a straight man would buy it, and they are far and away the largest player group.

I just need to reply to this. Game developers and most forms of media stopped strictly pandering to straight white males a long time ago. Now it is all about getting female gamers interested. Or different races. You know the minorities. The idea that they would not wish to keep a rather sizable minority pleased with their product is laughable.

[Erode_The_Soul]

JamesMoriarty123 wrote...

For once though, I'm glad EA exist. Pandering to every minority who ever requested anything is just a silly idea.

I don't understand you, James. You say that you are not necessarily opposed to what we're asking for, and at least seem like a reasonable fellow, yet a large part of your posts are just dripping with disdain at the mere existance of such a discussion. Honestly, like I said earlier, if we only have two options (sitting idly by while getting nothing accomplished, or voicing our opinions while getting nothing accomplished), I prefer to voice my opinion.

Modifié par Erode_The_Soul, 12 février 2010 - 09:59 .

[KumoriOokami]

Jimmy Fury wrote...

JamesMoriarty123 wrote...
not when the potential blowback from the inclusion of such a thing could outweigh that amount by a large margin.

I think the difference in sales between DA and ME might argue that there wouldn't be any blowback at all.
So far DA has sold more copies than ME did in its first 14 weeks.

Of course, I'll admit that those numbers could be off. The site I got them from didn't have any Japanese sales for DA (was it even released in Japan?) and didn't list which countries fall under "other" . So I only compared the american sales since it's the only single-country catagory other than Japan.

I don't remember any BW games with Japanese-language support...

[JamesMoriarty123]

DaeJi wrote...

JamesMoriarty123 wrote...
Yeah, but it isn't so easy to sell gay men to straight guys, and thats what this thread is about. Also, the inclusion of a gay romance as DLC although a good idea, in practice probably not as only gay guys and straight women who wanna see it would buy it. There's no reason a straight man would buy it, and they are far and away the largest player group.

BioWare would not have to sell gay men to straight men, they would just have to mention that option in the description. As for paying for the DLC, people would pay. People have said that they would pay. They may not want to, but they would. And many straight men would buy it; other than the whole "LESBIANS!" thing, many players will buy it if it came with achievements, and others would buy it to have a more "complete" game.

So you promote mis-selling then? Labelling it as Gay Romance DLC and then when people buy it for lesibian action and find out it's all about butthole engineering they wouldn't scream rip off? Unless you're saying that the romance part was only a small part of the DLC, and that there was actually some substance underneath it.

[SimonTheFrog]

JamesMoriarty123 wrote...

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Bioware exist to make awesome games, not make political statements. 
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Agreed... to exclude gay romance is a statement, too, though.

For example there options for different skin colours and the sex of Shepard. This is because it would be seen as political statement if BW would NOT give this option.
Gay is just not political correct YET!

[DaeJi]

JamesMoriarty123 wrote...



You miss my point. I meant if the other 199, 943 people who supported the inclusion don't care enough to post, then Bioware clearly don't have a problem by not including it.

Are there even that many people on the board? The vast majority of fans do not even read this forum. And yet, the small (SMALL) percentage of people who post here were heard and some things were added to the game because of them (like... the Garrus romance, for instance). Point is, this board is not the majority of fans, nor the best representation of what most fans want. For that, you have to look broader, at social trends.

[Ninja Mage]

Just ignore him guys, we've been over all his nonsensical points again and again, and he keeps regurgitating the same homphobic, minority hating remarks

[Ryzaki]

KumoriOokami wrote...

Jimmy Fury wrote...

JamesMoriarty123 wrote...
not when the potential blowback from the inclusion of such a thing could outweigh that amount by a large margin.

I think the difference in sales between DA and ME might argue that there wouldn't be any blowback at all.
So far DA has sold more copies than ME did in its first 14 weeks.

Of course, I'll admit that those numbers could be off. The site I got them from didn't have any Japanese sales for DA (was it even released in Japan?) and didn't list which countries fall under "other" . So I only compared the american sales since it's the only single-country catagory other than Japan.

I don't remember any BW games with Japanese-language support...

That would be awesome however.

Edit: If one truly feels a group of people are wasting their time they usually don't stop by every day or so to tell them that. Most people look on shake their head, shrug and keep it moving. The fact that the same people who insist that we're wasting our time continously have to post the same thing is baffling to me.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 12 février 2010 - 10:02 .

[DaeJi]

JamesMoriarty123 wrote...

So you promote mis-selling then? Labelling it as Gay Romance DLC and then when people buy it for lesibian action and find out it's all about butthole engineering they wouldn't scream rip off? Unless you're saying that the romance part was only a small part of the DLC, and that there was actually some substance underneath it.

A gay romance DLC can have both M/M and F/F content. Both count.

[KumoriOokami]

Ryzaki wrote...

KumoriOokami wrote...

Jimmy Fury wrote...

JamesMoriarty123 wrote...
not when the potential blowback from the inclusion of such a thing could outweigh that amount by a large margin.

I think the difference in sales between DA and ME might argue that there wouldn't be any blowback at all.
So far DA has sold more copies than ME did in its first 14 weeks.

Of course, I'll admit that those numbers could be off. The site I got them from didn't have any Japanese sales for DA (was it even released in Japan?) and didn't list which countries fall under "other" . So I only compared the american sales since it's the only single-country catagory other than Japan.

I don't remember any BW games with Japanese-language support...

That would be awesome however.

Indeed ^^  Would allow one to maybe learn something while looking at the convo wheel.  ^^

[DaeJi]

Ninja Mage wrote...

Just ignore him guys, we've been over all his nonsensical points again and again, and he keeps regurgitating the same homphobic, minority hating remarks

Replying to him allows us to better clearify our points and explain them in more detail. He's basically a support feature.

[Yeled]

I wouldn't release dlc that was only m/m content, no. That's just bad marketing. You could release an expanded romance package that has m/m content as one or several of many options, including more m/f options and f/f options. The whole package would sell for sure, and I think very few people would complain.

[Jimmy Fury]

KumoriOokami wrote...
I don't remember any BW games with Japanese-language support...

I was wondering that myself actually lol
Turns out ME came out in Japan last year.

[Ryzaki]

KumoriOokami wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

KumoriOokami wrote...

Jimmy Fury wrote...

JamesMoriarty123 wrote...
not when the potential blowback from the inclusion of such a thing could outweigh that amount by a large margin.

I think the difference in sales between DA and ME might argue that there wouldn't be any blowback at all.
So far DA has sold more copies than ME did in its first 14 weeks.

Of course, I'll admit that those numbers could be off. The site I got them from didn't have any Japanese sales for DA (was it even released in Japan?) and didn't list which countries fall under "other" . So I only compared the american sales since it's the only single-country catagory other than Japan.

I don't remember any BW games with Japanese-language support...

That would be awesome however.

Indeed ^^  Would allow one to maybe learn something while looking at the convo wheel.  ^^

Which of course would be WIN. Though I wonder who would be a good idea for Japanese VOs. (Plus getting a Japanese VO to perform M/M wouldn't be overly difficult.) 


Edit: ME is in Japanese! WIN!

I wonder how the VO sounds.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 12 février 2010 - 10:05 .

[tmelange]

catabuca wrote...

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As for how it could be implemented, everyone thought the thermal clip thing was going against lore, and yet it's been written into the game in a semi-convincing way, and we're living with it. In my main game, my manShep is gay, and fell for Kaidan, but they didn't get together. Kaidan was interested, but whether it was 'don't ask don't tell' (which I hope to god wouldn't exist in the 22nd century) or because of their shyness, or other factors (like, you know, saving the galaxy), they just didn't make it happen. In my own little game universe, Shepard is hoping they'll have a chance at love in ME3. However, perhaps Kaidan will have moved on after their meeting on Horizon, and a new man will come into Shepard's life, and he will finally be able to find personal happiness.

So yeah, as far as I'm concerned, the current two installments of Mass Effect leave plenty of room for both/either a Kaidan relationship and/or a completely new character to emerge.

This is the exact same game I'm playing! lol My male Shep is totally in UST with Kaidan and simply waiting for ME3.

[JamesMoriarty123]

Erode_The_Soul wrote...

JamesMoriarty123 wrote...

For once though, I'm glad EA exist. Pandering to every minority who ever requested anything is just a silly idea.

I don't understand you, James. You say that you are not necessarily opposed to what we're asking for, and at least seem like a reasonable fellow, yet a large part of your posts are just dripping with disdain at the mere existance of such a discussion. Honestly, like I said earlier, if we only have two options (sitting idly by while getting nothing accomplished, or voicing our opinions while getting nothing accomplished), I prefer to voice my opinion.

I suppose it's because I see the world changing every day, bending to liberal ideals and trying desperately to keep every minority under the sun happy with everything, and while it's a noble goal the feelings and desires of the masses just seem to get lost in the storm.
Also the vain hope you guys desperately cling to just kinda irritates me. I mean there is nothing to even remotely suggest the inclusion of such a thing in the final Mass Effect, and this is backed up by 2 games of non-inclusion and an interview with the head-honcho of BW.
Consider this, if all the content was created and everything was good to rock, why wouldn't they include it? Twice?

[KumoriOokami]

Ryzaki wrote...

KumoriOokami wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

KumoriOokami wrote...

Jimmy Fury wrote...

JamesMoriarty123 wrote...
not when the potential blowback from the inclusion of such a thing could outweigh that amount by a large margin.

I think the difference in sales between DA and ME might argue that there wouldn't be any blowback at all.
So far DA has sold more copies than ME did in its first 14 weeks.

Of course, I'll admit that those numbers could be off. The site I got them from didn't have any Japanese sales for DA (was it even released in Japan?) and didn't list which countries fall under "other" . So I only compared the american sales since it's the only single-country catagory other than Japan.

I don't remember any BW games with Japanese-language support...

That would be awesome however.

Indeed ^^  Would allow one to maybe learn something while looking at the convo wheel.  ^^

Which of course would be WIN. Though I wonder who would be a good idea for Japanese VOs. (Plus getting a Japanese VO to perform M/M wouldn't be overly difficult.) 


Edit: ME is in Japanese! WIN!

I wonder how the VO sounds.

I think we might be onto something here...

[RoadCrewWorker]

I thought they did away with web petitions back in 1995. In any case while Bioware takes more feedback than other companies if you think you can force a bad idea that turns out unfun or can't be implemented well into the gameplay and structure just by piling on them you're dead wrong.



I'd probably pay for gay dlc if its done well, but i doubt the target audience is big enough to warrant months of effort to create and polish all the assets.



Now excuse me while i go back to playing my blue skinned bald lady wearing an asari dress to shoot guns with a 10000 ammo mech gattling gun...

[DaeJi]

Yeled wrote...

I wouldn't release dlc that was only m/m content, no. That's just bad marketing. You could release an expanded romance package that has m/m content as one or several of many options, including more m/f options and f/f options. The whole package would sell for sure, and I think very few people would complain.

It would sell. Market trends support that notion; Dragon Age: Origins is one example of homosexual romance not hurting sales, unless 3 million and counting isn't a big number anymore.

[Ryzaki]

KumoriOokami wrote...


I think we might be onto something here...

Indeed. So...hm. Who would be a good VO? I want deep sexy voice.

[JamesMoriarty123]

Ninja, although I'm a reasonable man, you bring out the worst in me. When ME3 is released sans a gaymance option I am gonna flame you down buddy. You are going to think I'm Johnny Storm the amount of flame you're going to receive. You are the only one here who resorts to insults first. With the whole "Oh we don;t like what he's saying, just ignore him." deal.

[DaeJi]

RoadCrewWorker wrote...

I'd probably pay for gay dlc if its done well, but i doubt the target audience is big enough to warrant months of effort to create and polish all the assets.

Since a lot of the content already needed is in the game, a proper DLC would only take a few short weeks. As for the target audience, this would go beyond just the gay community. Like you said, you would buy it. A lot of non-gays would buy it, enough certainly to make it worth the little bit of effort..

[Yeled]

JamesMoriarty123 wrote...


Consider this, if all the content was created and everything was good to rock, why wouldn't they include it? Twice?

That's a very good question.  One none of us have the answer to.  Most of us are giving Bioware the benefit of the doubt that it wasn't some kind of censorship. 

[Ninja Mage]

Yeled wrote...

I wouldn't release dlc that was only m/m content, no. That's just bad marketing. You could release an expanded romance package that has m/m content as one or several of many options, including more m/f options and f/f options. The whole package would sell for sure, and I think very few people would complain.

 An excellent idea..it could be called Galatic Lover and cost 5.99 and have Jack, Thane, Tali, and Jacob unlocked for m/m and f/f