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[Beregar]

JamesMoriarty123 wrote...

You guys are clearly taking "abberation" to mean "immoral". All it means is that it simply isn't the normal genetic configuration.

I don't particularly care if being gay is in genes or in head. Doesn't actually matter at all. I'm gay and I would have it no other way. Heck, I wouldn't even wish to have kids. I mean they are nice in small amounts but actually having own? I'd go nutters. I don't really have a "reproductive" urge and that's okay. In the long run it will be healthy, perhaps something to encourage, this planet can't support us forever and it's better alternative than starting genocidal wars over limited space, or lose majority of the world's population to a super virus. I suppose we could always try terraforming mars or orbital cities, heh.

Dislike for gays is nothing new. Homosexuality has been both admired and hated throughout history and I doubt it changes anytime soon. Not to mention societies tend to evolve and devolve in cycles - at least from our perspective. Who knows what future brings so I'm not going to worry about it too much. I mean current socities and countries won't last forever. It's difficult to believe there will be "united states" 10000 years in the future considering our history - just as silly as it is trying to predict what people as a society will think then. Moral values change as time passes.

Homosexual behaviour has been present in our species for a very very long time though. Most likely longer than any records show. Heck, it's quite common in primates and quite widely present in animal kingdom so, as a leap of faith, I think it's pretty safe to say it has existed for as long as humans have. It won't be dissapearing anywhere anytime soon so I wish people would just adapt and accept.

[biddypocket]

JamesMoriarty123 wrote...

biddypocket wrote...

Having a preference for lesbian porn, and a disgust for gay porn doesn't make you a  biggot - not in any sense. However, using that as a basis for an argument as to why it shouldn't be included does. There's a difference. I don't like straight sex, but you don't see me gallavanting around calling for them to be removed from the game. Why? Because it SHOULD be in the game...as should m/m romances.

The reason you'd get nowhere even if you called for heterosex to be removed is because a man and a woman getting it on is "normal".

That's completely besides the point. Regardless of where I would get, evening thinking that I have a reason to call for it is absurd. Why should I let my personal preferences, orientations, etc. dictate what others can enjoy in a game?

[JamesMoriarty123]

Sabul wrote...

Collider wrote...

Don't change existing character's sexual orientations. Bioware should just consider the possibility of having bisexual or homosexual orientations for new characters.

It is pretty well established a good number of existing characters are already bisexual. They just had the options to access that portion of their recorded dialog and animates removed shortly before release. There are loads of mods and videos of it reenabled for gameplay.

Well, the OFFICIAL game makes em straight as an arrow. You've got about as much chance of an existing character being changed as you have to be struck by a meteorite. Then a bolt of lightning. Then a piece of falling space debris.

[Ryzaki]

Okay people. Unless a character came out and said: "I'm 100% Heterosexual folks!" Its not retconning for them to be bisexual. >_>

One can be attracted to both men and woman. Its not something that the media made up on a whim.

What is with people in the firm belief in no bisexuals? 

Jeez....<_<

Modifié par Ryzaki, 12 février 2010 - 11:00 .

[PyroFreak301]

JamesMoriarty123 wrote...

PyroFreak301 wrote...

JamesMoriarty123 wrote...

Sigh, what world do you people live in? Lol.
I couldn't give a toss what you back passage travellers call me, just keep it going. It isn't my fault you can't handle what you are. Denial is not just a river in Egypt.
Try selling a homomance to a 16 year old straight boy, he's tell you to **** off. Try selling him a lesbian romance, he'd pay gladly. These are the facts girls and gays, get over it.
F/F has more general appeal than M/M, end of.

Who's saying try and sell it to them?

You give a gay option to a straight guy of any age and he'll most likely avoid it. Give him a lesbian option and he'll probably take it.

Is that alone a good enough reason to include F/F but not M/M? Of course not.

Well from a sales point of view thats a pretty good reason.

From a sales point of view it's completely insignificant.

I don't think me or anyone for that matter bought the game for the romance aspect alone. By the same merit I dont think anyone will avoid the game based on relationship options alone. It's pretty insignificant whichever way you want to look at it.

Saying that F/F is a-ok but M/M isn't is just an ignorant and hypocritical viewpoint to take, people are right to disagree with it.

[Sabul]

JamesMoriarty123 wrote...

Hey yeah, sorry about that. I forgot 16 year olds can't watch Rated 18 movies either, or drink underage, or smoke underage, or have sex underage. Oh no...wait...
Any games company knows that they'll make more money off the youth than they will off the adults.

Why would this be? I do not know about you by I have been playing video games for most of my life. I am sure the same goes for most of these posters. Around when video games were just getting their start. We have been playing games since their earliest stages. I would think the 20 somethings and even those in their 30's now to be a far larger demographic than sixteen year old boys.

Modifié par Sabul, 12 février 2010 - 11:00 .

[JamesMoriarty123]

Well, I'm out. Dead horse and all that. I wish you guys the best of luck, I truly do. Except Ninja Mage, with a bit of luck he'll contract HIV in the near future. And before you start the flame for that being harsh, he just posted that he wished I would be eaten by pigs or something so...let's see who feels hypocritcal.

Until next time.

[sw33ts]

http://social.biowar...831/polls/2140/



Kay there's a physical poll. I don't know how to put it in my signature...sooo...maybe I don't get one? I don't know.

[Ryzaki]

Sabul wrote...

JamesMoriarty123 wrote...

Hey yeah, sorry about that. I forgot 16 year olds can't watch Rated 18 movies either, or drink underage, or smoke underage, or have sex underage. Oh no...wait...
Any games company knows that they'll make more money off the youth than they will off the adults.

Why would this be? I do not know about you by I have been playing video games for most of my life. I am sure the same goes for most of these posters. Around when video games were just getting their start. We have been playing games since their earliest stages. I would think the 20 somethings and even those in their 30's now to be a far larger demographic than sixteen year old boys.

Not to mention the kind of game this is. That demographic is more of the halo, modern warefare, tekken types. The 16 year olds that would be into a good storyline are probably not the ones that'll go: "M/M!?! ICKY!" and not buy the game. <_<

Or maybe I'm just optimistic about human intelligence.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 12 février 2010 - 11:04 .

[catabuca]

JamesMoriarty123 wrote...



Well, the OFFICIAL game makes em straight as an arrow. You've got about as much chance of an existing character being changed as you have to be struck by a meteorite. Then a bolt of lightning. Then a piece of falling space debris.

Perhaps your official playthrough makes them straight as an arrow. In my official playthrough Kaidan was gay/bi (I'm not really sure which, tbh). He was in love with a girl once. So? When I was 12 I experimented with a girl. Now I'm 31 and straight. There's a sliding scale: you might be at one end, another person might be at the other end, and a hell of a lot of people are somewhere in the middle. Life isn't black and white, it's shades of grey. RPG-ers tend to create backstories and fill in the gaps in their minds - that allows for the 'official' Kaidan/Ashley/whoever to be whatever darned orientation they want them to be. A few conversations in-game don't give you all a person can be.

[PyroFreak301]

sw33ts wrote...

http://social.biowar...831/polls/2140/

Kay there's a physical poll. I don't know how to put it in my signature...sooo...maybe I don't get one? I don't know.

Toolbar on left. Profile -> Forum Settings -> Big white box.

[Collider]

Sabul wrote...
It is pretty well established a good number of existing characters are already bisexual. They just had the options to access that portion of their recorded dialog and animates removed shortly before release. There are loads of mods and videos of it reenabled for gameplay.

No, that's BS dude. Whatever is available to the player in the final game IS their orientation. Characters go through a lot of mutations and transformations. SuZe, for example, was originally designed to have pink hair. If we went by previous mutations and renditions, you could argue that some characters "should" be a different species altogether, or even be opposite sexual orientation. They removed access because they decided the characters were not going to be that way.

[DaeJi]

Collider wrote...

Don't change existing character's sexual orientations. Bioware should just consider the possibility of having bisexual or homosexual orientations for new characters.

What is it about these character sexualities that is so scared? It's not like changing that one thing will alter the character entirely, just that one thing for people who want it. Besides, no fictional character's orientation is set is stone. Willow on Buffy: The Vampire Slayer shows that.

[LOST SPARTANJLC]

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LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...
(Yeah you can't go by that interview.It's basically here's our excuse now leave us alone about.But going by this topic they just messed with a bee hive.



That is only your deluded perception. No one really cares about this except for a tiny minority of players and forum members who enjoy trolling those players.)

Wow , What the hell is wrong with people ? I meant as far this thread is concerned and now I have a deluded perception.It's not an issue for me , but for other people it is.

Modifié par LOST SPARTANJLC, 12 février 2010 - 11:05 .

[comicfan22]

I'm bisexual, as I've stated before. We DO exist.

[JamesMoriarty123]

Collider wrote...

Sabul wrote...
It is pretty well established a good number of existing characters are already bisexual. They just had the options to access that portion of their recorded dialog and animates removed shortly before release. There are loads of mods and videos of it reenabled for gameplay.

No, that's BS dude. Whatever is available to the player in the final game IS their orientation. Characters go through a lot of mutations and transformations. SuZe, for example, was originally designed to have pink hair. If we went by previous mutations and renditions, you could argue that some characters "should" be a different species altogether, or even be opposite sexual orientation. They removed access because they decided the characters were not going to be that way.

Right on Collider. Right on.
Ok, now I'm out.

[Ryzaki]

comicfan22 wrote...

I'm bisexual, as I've stated before. We DO exist.

No you don't.

[Collider]

DaeJi wrote...
What is it about these character sexualities that is so scared? It's not like changing that one thing will alter the character entirely, just that one thing for people who want it. Besides, no fictional character's orientation is set is stone. Willow on Buffy: The Vampire Slayer shows that.

You are trying to minimalize the importance of sexual orientation, yet you are pushing for Bioware to change those sexual orientations. Come on. I don't think there is anything sacred about it. But you will seem to be a hypocrite to me if you say that sexual orientation is unimportant yet you want Bioware to change the sexual orientations of its characters.

[Ryzaki]

Collider wrote...

Sabul wrote...
It is pretty well established a good number of existing characters are already bisexual. They just had the options to access that portion of their recorded dialog and animates removed shortly before release. There are loads of mods and videos of it reenabled for gameplay.

No, that's BS dude. Whatever is available to the player in the final game IS their orientation. Characters go through a lot of mutations and transformations. SuZe, for example, was originally designed to have pink hair. If we went by previous mutations and renditions, you could argue that some characters "should" be a different species altogether, or even be opposite sexual orientation. They removed access because they decided the characters were not going to be that way.

I have to disagree with this. Just because of the fact that you DON'T know everything there is to know about a character. You maybe able to infer certain things about them from their backstory but nothing about a character (or someone you meet in person) is set in stone because you know some details of their life.

Edit: Frankly I don't see any of them as straight/bi/gay. I see them as characters. Their orientation to me is left up to individual perceptions. Trying to go "Well X character is straight because he had a wife and son." to me is just...confusing I guess.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 12 février 2010 - 11:10 .

[JamesMoriarty123]

Collider wrote...

DaeJi wrote...
What is it about these character sexualities that is so scared? It's not like changing that one thing will alter the character entirely, just that one thing for people who want it. Besides, no fictional character's orientation is set is stone. Willow on Buffy: The Vampire Slayer shows that.

You are trying to minimalize the importance of sexual orientation, yet you are pushing for Bioware to change those sexual orientations. Come on. I don't think there is anything sacred about it. But you will seem to be a hypocrite to me if you say that sexual orientation is unimportant yet you want Bioware to change the sexual orientations of its characters.

Dude, you're quickly becoming one of my favourite people.

[comicfan22]

OMG! I'm invisible! WOOO!

[biddypocket]

JamesMoriarty123 wrote...

Collider wrote...

Sabul wrote...
It is pretty well established a good number of existing characters are already bisexual. They just had the options to access that portion of their recorded dialog and animates removed shortly before release. There are loads of mods and videos of it reenabled for gameplay.

No, that's BS dude. Whatever is available to the player in the final game IS their orientation. Characters go through a lot of mutations and transformations. SuZe, for example, was originally designed to have pink hair. If we went by previous mutations and renditions, you could argue that some characters "should" be a different species altogether, or even be opposite sexual orientation. They removed access because they decided the characters were not going to be that way.

Right on Collider. Right on.
Ok, now I'm out.

Theoretically, unless the players flat out stated that they have a preference for one sex and are not at all attracted to the other, you can't conclude anything. They could be bisexual (with or without the option to romance them) or they could be straight. Or even gay. Who knows. Just because the option isn't there doesn't mean you can conclude anything about them.

booyah.


EVERYONE TAKE THIS POLL - http://social.biowar...99&poll_id=2141

[sw33ts]

Okay so, it appears, I need a new section for I don't care...and combination of the above. ARe there any other choices ppl would like to see on the poll before I make a new one?

[RoadCrewWorker]

Yo, stop ****ing responding to the ****ty James troll and pushing this thread 10 pages in 15 minutes. Just report his post for the homophobic **** they are and ignore him.

Edit for content:
You can already switch your characters gender by editing the savegame. However, until mod tools are able to repack the games content files so we can alter the scripts to remove the gender check or copy paste the scripts for both genders this isn't enough.

Modifié par RoadCrewWorker, 12 février 2010 - 11:13 .

[LOST SPARTANJLC]

I got to agree with comicfan22,



As far as being on here and in life yes you do exist , but when it comes to games you don't.The core group for now is the male/female or female/male which will get the most treatment.