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[Ryzaki]

sw33ts wrote...

Okay so, it appears, I need a new section for I don't care...and combination of the above. ARe there any other choices ppl would like to see on the poll before I make a new one?

There's an older poll for that. And The people who would buy it vastly outnumber those who wouldn't.

http://social.biowar...898/polls/1777/

But anyways. I can't help but lol at the thought of character integrity in video games. I know, serious business but still.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 12 février 2010 - 11:13 .

[JamesMoriarty123]

RoadCrewWorker wrote...

Yo, stop ****ing responding to the ****ty James troll and pushing this thread 10 pages in 15 minutes. Just report his post for the homophobic **** they are and ignore him.

0/10. Even Ninja Mage is a better troll than you.

[Temper_Graniteskul]

JamesMoriarty123 wrote...

Sabul wrote...

JamesMoriarty123 wrote...

Sigh, what world do you people live in? Lol.
I couldn't give a toss what you back passage travellers call me, just keep it going. It isn't my fault you can't handle what you are. Denial is not just a river in Egypt.
Try selling a homomance to a 16 year old straight boy, he's tell you to **** off. Try selling him a lesbian romance, he'd pay gladly. These are the facts girls and gays, get over it.
F/F has more general appeal than M/M, end of.

Good god you are ignorant. I am sorry but I could have sworn a sixteen year old was too purchase and play  an 'M' rated game. Colour me confused. I thought Bioware was trying to sell games to rational thinking adults.

Hey yeah, sorry about that. I forgot 16 year olds can't watch Rated 18 movies either, or drink underage, or smoke underage, or have sex underage. Oh no...wait...
Any games company knows that they'll make more money off the youth than they will off the adults.

What is this I don't even. Seriously? Seriously.

You know that the the age of your average gamer is somewhere in the late 20s to early 30s range, right? And I certainly know who is willing and able to support a tidy gaming habit monetarily; those people also fall into that age range. Almost half of those people are women...peoples of the female sex.

You can argue that many (certainly not all) of teenage males think male gay sex is icky, but that is not an argument for excluding m/m romance content in a game by a company known for providing such content. Though, given that your argument is based on pretty much air, I could just as convincingly (probably more, given demographics) argue that gay males and straight females who would be interested in seeing such a relationship are far larger a potential market than teenage boys who find 'teh ghey' icky.

We get it. You don't like the idea. You don't want to be made aware that there are people who think of their own male Shepards as gay. The thought that someone might think of Kaiden Alenko as gay or bi offends you. The spectre of our possible satisfaction on this issue drives you to repeated attempts to dismiss the arguments in these threads as irrelevant, and the people in them as a minority that doesn't deserve to be listened to.

But we are here. There are many of us - over 300 people in the Fight for the Love user group. Bioware may not be willing or able to listen to our requests, but they'll never even get the chance to ignore us if we never speak in the first place.

[KumoriOokami]

Ryzaki wrote...

Collider wrote...

Sabul wrote...
It is pretty well established a good number of existing characters are already bisexual. They just had the options to access that portion of their recorded dialog and animates removed shortly before release. There are loads of mods and videos of it reenabled for gameplay.

No, that's BS dude. Whatever is available to the player in the final game IS their orientation. Characters go through a lot of mutations and transformations. SuZe, for example, was originally designed to have pink hair. If we went by previous mutations and renditions, you could argue that some characters "should" be a different species altogether, or even be opposite sexual orientation. They removed access because they decided the characters were not going to be that way.

I have to disagree with this. Just because of the fact that you DON'T know everything there is to know about a character. You maybe able to infer certain things about them from their backstory but nothing about a character (or someone you meet in person) is set in stone because you know some details of their life.

Edit: Frankly I don't see any of them as straight/bi/gay. I see them as characters. Their orientation to me is left up to individual perceptions. Trying to go "Well X character is straight because he had a wife and son." to me is just...confusing I guess.

And the "X character is straight because he has a wife and son" argument discounts the possibility of bisexuality.  Which exists. 

[Sabul]

JamesMoriarty123 wrote...

Well, the OFFICIAL game makes em straight as an arrow. You've got about as much chance of an existing character being changed as you have to be struck by a meteorite. Then a bolt of lightning. Then a piece of falling space debris.

The official game has characters flirting with you but having it stop rather than lead to where it was planned. I would not call that "straight as an arrow".

[TheDarkHuntress]

Why are some people so obsessed with who someone else decides to sleep with? Be they game characters or real folk.

If you ain't at the party, don't complain about the food.

Modifié par TheDarkHuntress, 12 février 2010 - 11:18 .

[sw33ts]

Ryzaki wrote...

sw33ts wrote...

Okay so, it appears, I need a new section for I don't care...and combination of the above. ARe there any other choices ppl would like to see on the poll before I make a new one?

There's an older poll for that. And The people who would buy it vastly outnumber those who wouldn't.

Show me the poll?

[Collider]

biddypocket wrote...
Theoretically, unless the players flat out stated that they have a preference for one sex and are not at all attracted to the other, you can't conclude anything. They could be bisexual (with or without the option to romance them) or they could be straight. Or even gay. Who knows. Just because the option isn't there doesn't mean you can conclude anything about them.

Of course, if you want to grasp at straws. But specifically, we were talking about Bioware going back and suddenly changing characters to make them attracted to the same sex. As male and female Shepard can act in the exact same ways, this would be amount to retconning. Let's have Bioware make every character bisexual for all 1% of the player base that wants it! Ever thought that Bioware wants to certain characters just to be heterosexual? It's their characters, and it seems much more likely and realistic that not all characters will be bisexual.

[DaeJi]

Collider wrote...
You are trying to minimalize the importance of sexual orientation, yet you are pushing for Bioware to change those sexual orientations. Come on. I don't think there is anything sacred about it. But you will seem to be a hypocrite to me if you say that sexual orientation is unimportant yet you want Bioware to change the sexual orientations of its characters.

I do think it is unimportant. However, I also know that a great many people enjoy the romances in BioWare's games. Since sexual orientation is unimportant, I have no problem with them changing it for several characters so that more people have more fun. And since I like the current characters for a lot of other reasons than their sexuality, I would like for BioWare to use them.

How very hypocritical of me.

[Ryzaki]

sw33ts wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

sw33ts wrote...

Okay so, it appears, I need a new section for I don't care...and combination of the above. ARe there any other choices ppl would like to see on the poll before I make a new one?

There's an older poll for that. And The people who would buy it vastly outnumber those who wouldn't.

Show me the poll?

Edited. It should be there now.

Also: Molyneux is killing my Fable. He really is.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 12 février 2010 - 11:15 .

[Sabul]

Collider wrote...

No, that's BS dude. Whatever is available to the player in the final game IS their orientation. Characters go through a lot of mutations and transformations. SuZe, for example, was originally designed to have pink hair. If we went by previous mutations and renditions, you could argue that some characters "should" be a different species altogether, or even be opposite sexual orientation. They removed access because they decided the characters were not going to be that way.

The characters never flat out said "I am straight" in the final release. These were options that were removed at the last minute. Not early stages spit balling. Your comparison is flawed. Removing that aspect of their personality just before release is akin to removing a mission because you do not like the flow. They can then sell said mission as DLC but you would not complain about such things would you?

[catabuca]

RoadCrewWorker wrote...

Yo, stop ****ing responding to the ****ty James troll and pushing this thread 10 pages in 15 minutes. Just report his post for the homophobic **** they are and ignore him.

Edit for content:
You can already switch your characters gender by editing the savegame. However, until mod tools are able to repack the games content files so we can alter the scripts to remove the gender check or copy paste the scripts for both genders this isn't enough.

I reported him a while ago. I also think that it is worth replying to people, challenging their prejudices. I will agree though that there comes a time when it also feels pointless and not at all constructive. I'm wavering on which situation this is at the moment. 

[JamesMoriarty123]

Sabul wrote...

JamesMoriarty123 wrote...

Well, the OFFICIAL game makes em straight as an arrow. You've got about as much chance of an existing character being changed as you have to be struck by a meteorite. Then a bolt of lightning. Then a piece of falling space debris.

The official game has characters flirting with you but having it stop rather than lead to where it was planned. I would not call that "straight as an arrow".

Lol, no male character has ever flirted with my Shepherd. You gays, always see flirting where it doesn't exist.

[KumoriOokami]

Sabul wrote...

JamesMoriarty123 wrote...

Well, the OFFICIAL game makes em straight as an arrow. You've got about as much chance of an existing character being changed as you have to be struck by a meteorite. Then a bolt of lightning. Then a piece of falling space debris.

The official game has characters flirting with you but having it stop rather than lead to where it was planned. I would not call that "straight as an arrow".

I agree with this a lot.  Especially some of the stuff Tali says seems a bit not 'just friends' things to say.  ^^...

[Sabul]

Ryzaki wrote...

Not to mention the kind of game this is. That demographic is more of the halo, modern warefare, tekken types. The 16 year olds that would be into a good storyline are probably not the ones that'll go: "M/M!?! ICKY!" and not buy the game. <_<

Or maybe I'm just optimistic about human intelligence.

Well by making ME2 more FPSesque Bioware was trying to appeal a bit to that crowd. It still does overlook the origional demograpic.

[JamesMoriarty123]

catabuca wrote...

RoadCrewWorker wrote...

Yo, stop ****ing responding to the ****ty James troll and pushing this thread 10 pages in 15 minutes. Just report his post for the homophobic **** they are and ignore him.

Edit for content:
You can already switch your characters gender by editing the savegame. However, until mod tools are able to repack the games content files so we can alter the scripts to remove the gender check or copy paste the scripts for both genders this isn't enough.

I reported him a while ago. I also think that it is worth replying to people, challenging their prejudices. I will agree though that there comes a time when it also feels pointless and not at all constructive. I'm wavering on which situation this is at the moment. 

Report me all you want, I can report 10 of you that have slung more insults than me. But I'm not a little **** so...

[DaeJi]

Collider wrote... Ever thought that Bioware wants to certain characters just to be heterosexual? It's their characters, and it seems much more likely and realistic that not all characters will be bisexual.

Ever consider that BioWare did not want Garrus to be a love interest? It's their character, it seems much more like and realistic that... oh, wait.

[Collider]

Sabul wrote...
The characters never flat out said "I am straight" in the final release. These were options that were removed at the last minute. Not early stages spit balling. Your comparison is flawed. Removing that aspect of their personality just before release is akin to removing a mission because you do not like the flow. They can then sell said mission as DLC but you would not complain about such things would you?

Removing the options is about the same thing in practical terms. It's funny that you say MY comparison is flawed yet you bring up the terrible comparison of MISSIONS and a character's PERSONALITY. If you can't see the obvious difference between these, you are blind.

[comicfan22]

JamesMoriarty123 wrote...

Sabul wrote...

JamesMoriarty123 wrote...

Well, the OFFICIAL game makes em straight as an arrow. You've got about as much chance of an existing character being changed as you have to be struck by a meteorite. Then a bolt of lightning. Then a piece of falling space debris.

The official game has characters flirting with you but having it stop rather than lead to where it was planned. I would not call that "straight as an arrow".

Lol, no male character has ever flirted with my Shepherd. You gays, always see flirting where it doesn't exist.

Ever heard of the blind men and the elephant?

[biddypocket]

Collider wrote...

biddypocket wrote...
Theoretically, unless the players flat out stated that they have a preference for one sex and are not at all attracted to the other, you can't conclude anything. They could be bisexual (with or without the option to romance them) or they could be straight. Or even gay. Who knows. Just because the option isn't there doesn't mean you can conclude anything about them.

Of course, if you want to grasp at straws. But specifically, we were talking about Bioware going back and suddenly changing characters to make them attracted to the same sex. As male and female Shepard can act in the exact same ways, this would be amount to retconning. Let's have Bioware make every character bisexual for all 1% of the player base that wants it! Ever thought that Bioware wants to certain characters just to be heterosexual? It's their characters, and it seems much more likely and realistic that not all characters will be bisexual.

You're quite right, but it still doesn't change the fact that their sexualities were never outright stated. You're basing your observations off heteornormative assumptions that everyone who isn't outspoken about their attraction to the same sex must be heterosexual. It's a common fallacy, so I understand.

Anddd...it's schway more than 1%. I suggest reading Kinsey's "Sexual Behavior and the Human Male." It's only about....700-800 pages or so. You'll find some convincing and surprising numbers there. And, if you know anything about psychologial research metholodoloy, you'd know how well the studies were run.

I just love this smiley.

[Ryzaki]

KumoriOokami wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Collider wrote...

Sabul wrote...
It is pretty well established a good number of existing characters are already bisexual. They just had the options to access that portion of their recorded dialog and animates removed shortly before release. There are loads of mods and videos of it reenabled for gameplay.

No, that's BS dude. Whatever is available to the player in the final game IS their orientation. Characters go through a lot of mutations and transformations. SuZe, for example, was originally designed to have pink hair. If we went by previous mutations and renditions, you could argue that some characters "should" be a different species altogether, or even be opposite sexual orientation. They removed access because they decided the characters were not going to be that way.

I have to disagree with this. Just because of the fact that you DON'T know everything there is to know about a character. You maybe able to infer certain things about them from their backstory but nothing about a character (or someone you meet in person) is set in stone because you know some details of their life.

Edit: Frankly I don't see any of them as straight/bi/gay. I see them as characters. Their orientation to me is left up to individual perceptions. Trying to go "Well X character is straight because he had a wife and son." to me is just...confusing I guess.

And the "X character is straight because he has a wife and son" argument discounts the possibility of bisexuality.  Which exists. 

You Keep Forgetting.

There are No Bisexuals.

They don't exist!

[Collider]

DaeJi wrote...
Ever consider that BioWare did not want Garrus to be a love interest? It's their character, it seems much more like and realistic that... oh, wait.

Bad example. You are talking about changing sexual orientations. Not adding a completely new romance to a character altogether. Another reason why your comparison is terrible is because of the LARGE fan demand for Garrus and Tali to be heterosexual romance options. Those fans who wanted their Garrus and Tali for female and male shepards respectively dwarf the amount who want them to be homosexual.

[sw33ts]

Yes we do. 

[catabuca]

JamesMoriarty123 wrote...


Lol, no male character has ever flirted with my Shepherd. You gays, always see flirting where it doesn't exist.

Lol, you homophobes, never seeing the gayness that is right under your nose.

[BrandNewMan]

James isn't a troll, he just has a differing opinion. He brings up solid points, too.