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[FataliTensei]

Jimmy Fury wrote...

Collider wrote...
In Mass Effect 2, not Mass Effect 1. As an addition, people are not necessarily knowing or willing to admit their feelings. There are assuredly plenty of closet gays out there. Garrus made no indication of whether he was attracted to human females in Mass Effect 1, so Garrus is not in the least bit being inconsistent.

No, I'm afraid you weren't using my reasoning, instead you were using a caricature of my reasoning. In the end, you looked like you didn't know what you were talking about.

The emphasized line is the point.
Expressing interest in 1 person does not equal sexuality.
And that is the only interest every mentioned and is therefore the interest you used to claim the character are all heterosexual. 1 interest. Thane's wife. The girl from jump Zero Kaidan helped (he actually never said he loved her. It was infered the same way people infered Kaidan was attracted to male shep. Not the point though!), FShep+Garrus, Tali+MShep.
The reasoning you used. And yes, it was your reasoning. Was that the characters expressed interest in a person and therefore it defined their sexuality.
Altering their interests only alters their sexuality is you assume one interest defines their sexuality. Since not a single solitary member of the squad has ever claimed to only be interested in one gender, then altering which version of Shep they can be attracted to does not actually change anything that has been established.

(As a side note... I actually hate the idea of retconning the romances back into the game. I want a new char. I'm just trying to point out the error of your argument)

\\Very good point

i want new character also BTW

[DaeJi]

I think that Mass Effect 2 is still in a position that they can update the characters without it being a retcon. Making, say, Thane an option for male Shepards would not alter his history or personality, just range of interactions that players can have with him. Thane remains the same; it's Shepard who is altered, and he or she is already a character whose personality is as unset as possible.

And while I'm for new characters, I'm against creating characters for romance reasons only.

Modifié par DaeJi, 13 février 2010 - 12:51 .

[Collider]

Jimmy Fury wrote...
The emphasized line is the point.
Expressing interest in 1 person does not equal sexuality.

It's the best indication that they are heterosexual or at the very least bisexual. That they are attracted to and enjoy x gender.
It was not my argument, as you presented it. My argument was that in a practical sense, these characters are heterosexual. So what it amounts to is that you are misinterpreting me.

[ReDSH1FT]

PyroFreak301 wrote...

A lot of this could be avoided by making Shepard initiate any form flirting/romantic interest. Make it a very clear choice on the dialogue wheel so people will know what they are getting themselves into and cant select it by mistake.

By doing this, the only way you'll see gay/bi sides of an established character is if you go searching for it. For those that choose not to initiate the flirting, the relationship will remain straight as an arrow. Both sides win at no loss to character.

This is a stupid idea.

This implies that Shepard is interested in both genders.  Him having the option to be hitting on Steve the Seaman means he's thinking about it.  Which makes him a ******, which he isn't.

You crazies are still going at this.  Even after the IGN article.  Pathetic.

[comicfan22]

ReDSH1FT wrote...


This is a stupid idea.

This implies that Shepard is interested in both genders.  Him having the option to be hitting on Steve the Seaman means he's thinking about it.  Which makes him a ******, which he isn't.

You crazies are still going at this.  Even after the IGN article.  Pathetic.

Cool story bro

[comicfan22]

*Puts "Do not feed the troll" sign in grass*

[biddypocket]

comicfan22 wrote...

*Puts "Do not feed the troll" sign in grass*

Butzz trollzz are so cute . Me likes to PET ZEM. 

[FataliTensei]

Hi troll

[Ryzaki]

biddypocket wrote...

comicfan22 wrote...

*Puts "Do not feed the troll" sign in grass*

Butzz trollzz are so cute . Me likes to PET ZEM. 

But they try to bitez your fingerz!

Don't pet/feed them!

NO BIDDY!

NO!

[Beregar]

comicfan22 wrote...

*Puts "Do not feed the troll" sign in grass*

But how are we going to get rid off of them without flames?

Need...more...flamey posts!

[PyroFreak301]

ReDSH1FT wrote...

PyroFreak301 wrote...

A lot of this could be avoided by making Shepard initiate any form flirting/romantic interest. Make it a very clear choice on the dialogue wheel so people will know what they are getting themselves into and cant select it by mistake.

By doing this, the only way you'll see gay/bi sides of an established character is if you go searching for it. For those that choose not to initiate the flirting, the relationship will remain straight as an arrow. Both sides win at no loss to character.

This is a stupid idea.

This implies that Shepard is interested in both genders.  Him having the option to be hitting on Steve the Seaman means he's thinking about it.  Which makes him a ******, which he isn't.

You crazies are still going at this.  Even after the IGN article.  Pathetic.

This amount of stupid coming from one person is what keeps me interested in this thread.

"A viable compromise for both sides? HELL NO! HOMOS ARE GAY!!!!11!"

It only means he's thinking about it if you imagine he is, it your own Shepard. It's not our fault if your mind wonders when given an option.

EDIT: I can't help but feed the troll, he looks so hungry 

Modifié par PyroFreak301, 13 février 2010 - 01:03 .

[Sabul]

ReDSH1FT wrote...

This is a stupid idea.

This implies that Shepard is interested in both genders.  Him having the option to be hitting on Steve the Seaman means he's thinking about it.  Which makes him a ******, which he isn't.

You crazies are still going at this.  Even after the IGN article.  Pathetic.

If you believe this you do not think of Shepard as your character. Your selection is what he is thinking about. Not all the options available. Does he simultaneously think about saving someones life and murdering them to take their money on the spot? I do not think he does. He thinks whatever you are playing him as. If you do not consider your Shepard a "******" then do not play him as such.

Vague article was vague.

Modifié par Sabul, 13 février 2010 - 01:13 .

[tyddrwsau]

I still don't believe that, if we assume that the characters interact with their setting as though it is real, sexual orientation should apply strictly to romantic relationships between aliens. Each species has different anatomy, and I'm sure it goes beyond scales versus hair. (No, I waste no time imagining how Mass Effect aliens' sexual anatomy is structured.) Even if we assume that most advanced spacefaring sapients have reached a point where their cultures are homogeneous regardless of the planet or region where they were reared, their cultural expectations of "masculine" and "feminine" behavior will be different from humans'. Individuals will have different preferences for their personal type: blonde v. brunette, shapely crest vs. strong mandibles, etc. For any character to transcend their species and cultural preferences to romance someone from another species is a huge step. I'm more interested in the _romance_ than the _sexuality_ at issue. The romantic narrative is what interests me about this subject, not the prurient sex factor. (I'd also prefer that the romance narrative not culminate with a night of passion. The more compelling story is how the characters get to know each other better, become more deeply in love, or maybe even drift apart.)



I don't agree that it would be a radical change for an existing character to evidence interest in a Shepard of the same sex in newly created content (expansion, DLC, ME3). It would simply evidence a different side of the character. I hope that we see different sides of all the continuing characters as the story goes onward... for us to already know everything about them in every respect doesn't make for very interesting progression.



Neither would I have any objection to a brand new character or characters as same-sex romantic interest(s). This would give us even more characters to appreciate! Beyond the planetside shooting level mechanics of tech/biotic/combat focus (for which there is fair variety already) there's lots of shipboard round-out-the-team opportunities to explore. The Normandy could use a Communications/Intelligence Officer (especially as we move into a presumed alliance-building arc of the story). How about an inventive genius, with innovative new insights into hybrid technologies that could surprise the Reapers? A fleet logistics whiz? There's opportunity all over the place.



I wouldn't be into a Joker romance, myself. I enjoy his dialogue, but he's an egomaniac. Plus, it was saving his behind that got Shepard killed in the first place... my Shep wonders if he was worth it every time he mouths off.

[DaeJi]

ReDSH1FT wrote...

This is a stupid idea.

This implies that Shepard is interested in both genders.  Him having the option to be hitting on Steve the Seaman means he's thinking about it.  Which makes him a ******, which he isn't.

You crazies are still going at this.  Even after the IGN article.  Pathetic.

Hense why a DLC is the way to go; it gives those who want it their fun while those who do not want them do not have to deal with it. And as I said several pages back, the audience for a same sex romance DLC goes far beyond just gay or bisexual players.

[Ryzaki]

ReDSH1FT wrote...

PyroFreak301 wrote...

A lot of this could be avoided by making Shepard initiate any form flirting/romantic interest. Make it a very clear choice on the dialogue wheel so people will know what they are getting themselves into and cant select it by mistake.

By doing this, the only way you'll see gay/bi sides of an established character is if you go searching for it. For those that choose not to initiate the flirting, the relationship will remain straight as an arrow. Both sides win at no loss to character.

This is a stupid idea.

This implies that Shepard is interested in both genders.  Him having the option to be hitting on Steve the Seaman means he's thinking about it.  Which makes him a ******, which he isn't.

You crazies are still going at this.  Even after the IGN article.  Pathetic.

Its okay Red for you to pick the gay option.

No one is gonna know.

[biddypocket]

PyroFreak301 wrote...

EDIT: I can't help but feed the troll, he looks so hungry 

*pets* it's okay Pyro. We understand. 

[FataliTensei]

PyroFreak301 wrote...

ReDSH1FT wrote...

PyroFreak301 wrote...

A lot of this could be avoided by making Shepard initiate any form flirting/romantic interest. Make it a very clear choice on the dialogue wheel so people will know what they are getting themselves into and cant select it by mistake.

By doing this, the only way you'll see gay/bi sides of an established character is if you go searching for it. For those that choose not to initiate the flirting, the relationship will remain straight as an arrow. Both sides win at no loss to character.

This is a stupid idea.

This implies that Shepard is interested in both genders.  Him having the option to be hitting on Steve the Seaman means he's thinking about it.  Which makes him a ******, which he isn't.

You crazies are still going at this.  Even after the IGN article.  Pathetic.

This amount of stupid coming from one person is what keeps me interested in this thread.

"A viable compromise for both sides? HELL NO! HOMOS ARE GAY!!!!11!"

It only means he's thinking about it if you imagine he is, it your own Shepard. It's not our fault if your mind wonders when given an option.

EDIT: I can't help but feed the troll, he looks so hungry 

Put some sleeping pills in the food

Modifié par FataliTensei, 13 février 2010 - 01:12 .

[DaeJi]

Trolls do have their uses; they gives springboards for people to state and restate their views and ideas and they support the thread by keeping it bumped up.

[FataliTensei]

DaeJi wrote...

Trolls do have their uses; they gives springboards for people to state and restate their views and ideas and they support the thread by keeping it bumped up.

They always hate it when you bring up that they're only supporting us when they post

[Endurance_117]

FataliTensei wrote...

Endurance_117 wrote...

FataliTensei wrote...

JamesMoriarty123 wrote...

DaeJi wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Is it just me or did Shep's dancing get WORSE? 

Like honestly I can't help but cringe.

It got worse. A lot worse.

Hmmm, maybe Shepard really isn't gay.

QTF. Straight guys can't dance to save their lives. Sheperd is as straight as they come with that dance.

Have you ever seen America's Best Dance Crew, the straight guys are the best dancers on there

actually they are lol

Lol it's funny when you think about it, cuz the sterotype really is that straight guys can't dance

??? More like Caucasian males can't dance.

[FataliTensei]

Endurance_117 wrote...

FataliTensei wrote...

Endurance_117 wrote...

FataliTensei wrote...

JamesMoriarty123 wrote...

DaeJi wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Is it just me or did Shep's dancing get WORSE? 

Like honestly I can't help but cringe.

It got worse. A lot worse.

Hmmm, maybe Shepard really isn't gay.

QTF. Straight guys can't dance to save their lives. Sheperd is as straight as they come with that dance.

Have you ever seen America's Best Dance Crew, the straight guys are the best dancers on there

actually they are lol

Lol it's funny when you think about it, cuz the sterotype really is that straight guys can't dance

??? More like Caucasian males can't dance.

True, but there are were quite a few that were really good on there

[Ryzaki]

Endurance_117 wrote...

FataliTensei wrote...

Endurance_117 wrote...

FataliTensei wrote...

JamesMoriarty123 wrote...

DaeJi wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Is it just me or did Shep's dancing get WORSE? 

Like honestly I can't help but cringe.

It got worse. A lot worse.

Hmmm, maybe Shepard really isn't gay.

QTF. Straight guys can't dance to save their lives. Sheperd is as straight as they come with that dance.

Have you ever seen America's Best Dance Crew, the straight guys are the best dancers on there

actually they are lol

Lol it's funny when you think about it, cuz the sterotype really is that straight guys can't dance

??? More like Caucasian males can't dance.

Shep still dances like that if he's black. :innocent:

So much for rhythm and blues huh? 

[FataliTensei]

Ryzaki wrote...

Endurance_117 wrote...

FataliTensei wrote...

Endurance_117 wrote...

FataliTensei wrote...

JamesMoriarty123 wrote...

DaeJi wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Is it just me or did Shep's dancing get WORSE? 

Like honestly I can't help but cringe.

It got worse. A lot worse.

Hmmm, maybe Shepard really isn't gay.

QTF. Straight guys can't dance to save their lives. Sheperd is as straight as they come with that dance.

Have you ever seen America's Best Dance Crew, the straight guys are the best dancers on there

actually they are lol

Lol it's funny when you think about it, cuz the sterotype really is that straight guys can't dance

??? More like Caucasian males can't dance.

Shep still dances like that if he's black. :innocent:

So much for rhythm and blues huh? 

haha

[Endurance_117]

PICK THE SUPERIOR RACE, ASEXUAL!

[FataliTensei]

Endurance_117 wrote...

PICK THE SUPERIOR RACE, ASEXUAL!

Lol if there's not a m/m option then my male shep takes that one XD