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[Grilled Trout]

I am pleasantly surprised to say that everyone that has responded to me so far have been extremely polite and giving arguments with clarity and respect. This is something that is very difficult to see nowadays in video game forums. For that, I thank you.



Pyro and sw33ts... you are right. Having the option to turn on or off gay romance at option screen seems awkward and unnecessary. Also, I am in agreement that dialogue choices and how Shepard engages him/herself in dialogues should be improved when it comes to pursuing or not pursuing romance. Like FatalTensei wrote, I also wish that having interest in someone doesn't automatically translate into a romantic interest... but that's how it seems right now.



All your points are very well taken, and although I would like to respond to every one of your thoughtful responses in kind, I would just like to say that big part of my reason for my opposition was my doubt in ever coming up with some kind of game mechanics that can reasonably and successfully filter out undesirable content without making it too obvious like the option to turn things on and off.



Perhaps the dialogue tree can be improved to a degree where a personal interest is completely separate from romantic interest, and that when it comes to homosexual relationship, Shepard should be the one to engage it, instead of having to be hit on first by AI companions. Color coding option could work too. There could be many other things that I personally haven't thought of, and you all seem to be coming out with some interesting ideas nonetheless.



About the DLC thing... are you guys willing to pay for this option? It seems pretty ludicruous to be asked to pay for such a thing. But then again, would Bioware be brave enough to put out such thing as DLC? You know that there will definitely be some group of people that will make a huge fuss out of this one.



Anyways, to sum it up, if the game adds the option you want in a context where someone like me can clearly and easily avoid it without forceably being exposed to it, I will support it. Like I said, I was in disagreement because I was highly doubtful that this was possible. But it seems some interesting ideas keep coming up so I guess the best thing is to be hopeful.



Good luck in your cause.

[LOST SPARTANJLC]

OK , but his opinion was picked apart because it didn't match what someone who probably is for same sex wanted to see posted.All I'm saying is if your going to offer in opinion go ahead and offer one.But you don't have tear anyone's opinion up because it doesn't match what you wanted to see posted.



Sabul , certainty not you or most of the people on here.Theirs some that will break apart what you've offered.

[LOST SPARTANJLC]

I'd second that if it's clearly marked in the dialog wheel , so I know don't choose option unless you want this.Add it in by all means then.

Modifié par LOST SPARTANJLC, 13 février 2010 - 04:17 .

[Sabul]

KumoriOokami: No problem. I hope you enjoy it as much as all your previous. :3

Grilled Trout: I am literally beaming. Such a huge smile reading your response. I am so happy you like so of the ideas. To be honest I would be willing to pay for it. If it meant getting to play the character more like myself.  Thank you so much for your well thought out posts and support.

LOST SPARTANJLC: I suppose we are just doing so as we view it as something of a debate. So dissecting someones views and replying would be done. While you are correct some have resorted to name calling and offensive statements on both sides. I think most of us have been pretty rational and accepting of the opposition provided they are willing to discus their views and it does not merely consist of "homos are gross!!1!" Still thank you very much for not being as such.

Modifié par Sabul, 13 février 2010 - 04:21 .

[KumoriOokami]

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...

I'd second that if it's clearly marked in the dialog wheel , so I know don't choose option unless you want this.Add it in by all means then.

Again I'd definitely prefer it to be this way for all the romance options.  ^^  Either a color to the dialogue or something like that so that one could easily tell 'romance option' v. 'regular dialogue'.

[FataliTensei]

Grilled Trout wrote...

I am pleasantly surprised to say that everyone that has responded to me so far have been extremely polite and giving arguments with clarity and respect. This is something that is very difficult to see nowadays in video game forums. For that, I thank you.

Pyro and sw33ts... you are right. Having the option to turn on or off gay romance at option screen seems awkward and unnecessary. Also, I am in agreement that dialogue choices and how Shepard engages him/herself in dialogues should be improved when it comes to pursuing or not pursuing romance. Like FatalTensei wrote, I also wish that having interest in someone doesn't automatically translate into a romantic interest... but that's how it seems right now.

All your points are very well taken, and although I would like to respond to every one of your thoughtful responses in kind, I would just like to say that big part of my reason for my opposition was my doubt in ever coming up with some kind of game mechanics that can reasonably and successfully filter out undesirable content without making it too obvious like the option to turn things on and off.

Perhaps the dialogue tree can be improved to a degree where a personal interest is completely separate from romantic interest, and that when it comes to homosexual relationship, Shepard should be the one to engage it, instead of having to be hit on first by AI companions. Color coding option could work too. There could be many other things that I personally haven't thought of, and you all seem to be coming out with some interesting ideas nonetheless.

About the DLC thing... are you guys willing to pay for this option? It seems pretty ludicruous to be asked to pay for such a thing. But then again, would Bioware be brave enough to put out such thing as DLC? You know that there will definitely be some group of people that will make a huge fuss out of this one.

Anyways, to sum it up, if the game adds the option you want in a context where someone like me can clearly and easily avoid it without forceably being exposed to it, I will support it. Like I said, I was in disagreement because I was highly doubtful that this was possible. But it seems some interesting ideas keep coming up so I guess the best thing is to be hopeful.

Good luck in your cause.

Huzzah for civil discussion

[PyroFreak301]

I'm glad we could change your perception of this thread

Grilled Trout wrote...
About the DLC thing... are you guys willing to pay for this option? It seems pretty ludicruous to be asked to pay for such a thing. But then again, would Bioware be brave enough to put out such thing as DLC? You know that there will definitely be some group of people that will make a huge fuss out of this one.

The way I see it, if it's a case of simply unlocking what's aleady in the game files, then it makes sense that Bioware should release it for free. However if it needed more scripting and voice acting (I havn't personally seen any other ME2 files to suggest otherwise), then I think it would be perfectly reasonable if they decided that they were going to charge a small fee for it.

Wether players would kick up a fuss about paying for it or not is another matter..

Modifié par PyroFreak301, 13 février 2010 - 04:31 .

[FataliTensei]

If it's going to take time and money to make the option available then they have the right to charge for it

[Sabul]

Money I would be more than willing to give to them. I have all this extra money laying about that I would gladly spend if it were to make the series more enjoyable for me to play.

[Jimmy Fury]

Sabul wrote...
LOST SPARTANJLC: I suppose we are just doing so as we view it as something of a debate. So dissecting someones views and replying would be done. While you are correct some have resorted to name calling and offensive statements on both sides. I think most of us have been pretty rational and accepting of the opposition provided they are willing to discus their views and it does not merely consist of "homos are gross!!1!" Still thank you very much for not being as such.

So... yeah I just totally wrote out this big long thing saying that and you beat me to it

Lost_spartan,
Indeed there are trolls on both sides. I tend to ignore them no matter which camp they belong to.
More importantly, there are reasonable people on both sides as well.
Personally I'm a naive optimist and I like to believe that Bioware left out same-sex options because they either didn't think there would be support, or weren't sure how to implement it.
So I'm here to brainstorm. With that comes a level of debate. I would be bored out of my skull if everyone on the thread was for same-sex romances. That only helps if Bioware left it out because they didn't think anyone would be interested.
I want to hear from the people who are against so I can try to understand why. Only by understanding that reason, are we able to come to an agreement on what would be acceptable for both parties. That way we can show Bioware that it can be done in a way that won't hurt sales or public image.

[thenewguyhere]

just leave the queers out of me3 its better that way.



flame on

[Sabul]

Jimmy Fury: Haha. I feel all proud of myself now. I am glad my response could be similar to the one you wished to post. 8D

Modifié par Sabul, 13 février 2010 - 04:54 .

[PyroFreak301]

thenewguyhere wrote...

just leave the queers out of me3 its better that way.

flame on

Good timing! We were just discussing what kind of response merited a troll label.

You provided a great example. Thanks!

Modifié par PyroFreak301, 13 février 2010 - 05:01 .

[Sabul]

thenewguyhere wrote...

just leave the queers out of me3 its better that way.

flame on

None of us have any desire to flame you. I must admit though I grow tired of responding to your sort. It is one thing when people like Grilled Trout come around. Those with well thought out posts and whom are open to discussion. You however seem to be capable of neither. I am really starting to think this response is even too much effort on my part.

Modifié par Sabul, 13 février 2010 - 05:02 .

[FataliTensei]

remember not to feed the troll

[comicfan22]

Anyone up to just making some sort of FAQ? It's late where I am otherwise I would be glad to.

[Sabul]

I would consider doing so but I very much doubt anyone reads the first post and that would be the best place to put it.

Modifié par Sabul, 13 février 2010 - 05:09 .

[Sabul]

I would like to add however doing so with a list of all the suggestions would be a good idea if only to make it easier for the Dev team to find should they ever deem these threads worthy of their gaze.

Modifié par Sabul, 13 février 2010 - 05:18 .

[LOST SPARTANJLC]

Making a Faq , it would help keep everything more organized.As far paying for Dlc to incorporate same sex options.I'm not so sure about the that , again if it can be done I'm for it.But to do so seems like a lot of work under the hood , you would have to completely redo the dialog structure.Which again it can be done but it seems like it would be a year or two before it would be ready.

If that's fine , I guess go for it.I just think it would be better if it was (optional enable/disable)  or shipped in hidden already built in.Were the dlc would just activate it.

Modifié par LOST SPARTANJLC, 13 février 2010 - 06:01 .

[Jimmy Fury]

Is it totally wrong for me to be sad that the "Joker is gay" thread is just troll nonsense.... lol

[FataliTensei]

Jimmy Fury wrote...

Is it totally wrong for me to be sad that the "Joker is gay" thread is just troll nonsense.... lol

It's ok to be sad, especially since you're a joker fan

A list or FAQ would be a great idea

[Kuravid]

Sabul wrote...

No they intended Shepard to be our character. As they said countless times he is ours to fully customise. That even envisioned his sexuality at one point. That fell out of favour near release. I could make a list of the countless military figures throughout history who have been gay or at least bisexual. However it does combat the stereotypes that you pointed out. The point is Shepard was originally supposed to be our character and he still is just up until a point. Just because my ultra masculine super soldier would be gay does not in any way make yours less straight or masculine. It just allows for greater customisation and immersion.

By stereotype, I don't mean historical fact. I'm saying that the stereotype of super soldier is usually viewed as ultra masculine and heterosexual. 

[LOST SPARTANJLC]

Kuravid ,



Yes , very true for any soldier or especially super soldier.

[FataliTensei]

Kuravid wrote...

Sabul wrote...

No they intended Shepard to be our character. As they said countless times he is ours to fully customise. That even envisioned his sexuality at one point. That fell out of favour near release. I could make a list of the countless military figures throughout history who have been gay or at least bisexual. However it does combat the stereotypes that you pointed out. The point is Shepard was originally supposed to be our character and he still is just up until a point. Just because my ultra masculine super soldier would be gay does not in any way make yours less straight or masculine. It just allows for greater customisation and immersion.

By stereotype, I don't mean historical fact. I'm saying that the stereotype of super soldier is usually viewed as ultra masculine and heterosexual. 

I wish shepard could break that stereotype among others 

Modifié par FataliTensei, 13 février 2010 - 06:13 .

[Sabul]

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...

Making a Faq , it would hep keep everything more organized.As far paying for Dlc to incorporate same sex options.I'm not so sure about the that , again if it can be done I'm for it.But to do so seems like a lot of work under the hood , you would have to completely redo the dialog structure.Which again it can be done but it seems like it would be a year or two before it would be ready.

If that's fine , I guess go for it.I just think it would be better if it was (optional enable/disable)  or shipped in hidden already built in.Were the dlc would just activate it.

Damn it. I just typed up a full response and it was somehow lost. Let me attempt this again.

I agree making a faq would be useful. I am exhausted as I have been at this for nine or more hours now. My fingers hurt and my head is near throbbing. I imagine it is much the same for others. Perhaps later today.

I cannot imagine it being very much work really though. Bioware already did most of the work. They recorded the audio, animated the scenes, even implemented them within the game. These things can be found on the game disks. The ability to access it was just disabled shortly before release. I imagine a patch to reenable it would not be too difficult and would make many people happy as well as restore their faith in Bioware. Even if it were to take months or years I would still be willing to purchase. I imagine if that is the case simply giving us the option in ME3 seems a better solution.

Jimmy Fury: I had a feeling you would be sad about that topic. Who knows what ME3 will hold, eh?

Kuravid: I was agreeing with you. It is the reason I did not list any historical figures. However that is exactly the reason such an option should be given. By not even giving players the option to be a gay male Bioware is making it seem as though such stereotypes have merit.

Modifié par Sabul, 13 février 2010 - 06:25 .