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[Sabul]

More reason we need a list of how it could be integrated into the game in the first post or in a ever visible topic within the group. What with the ideas always getting lost in the discussion here. It needs to be a first post somewhere.

[NightLad]

Lopake wrote...

I feel for the gays but i dont think a gay marine is a good political statement

Bioware is a Canadian company.

LGBT (Lesbian Gay Bisexual Trans) people serve openly in the Canadian military, and in most major power's militaries around the world, from Britain to Israel. America is actually in the minority by banning LGBT people from serving openly.

That said, in the game The Alliance isn't specified as belonging to any one nation.

As for it being a game, I don't really see a lot of 'political statements' in it. They (BioWare) has established that same-sex relationships exist in the ME universe, so IMO, including one for Shepard (male or female) would not be unheard of. After all, it is an open-ended RPG; if you don't like it, don't follow the [undoubtedly long and option-filled] dialogue path to activate the same-sex option. Just look at Dragon Age Origins.

As for any reflections on Real Life; personally, I really can't wrap my head around the DATA act the US has in place. At a time when military enrolment is on a sharp decline, tens of thousands of able, willing and skilled service members are being discharged due to their sexuality. Look at the story of Bleu Copas, a former sergeant and Arabic linguist specialist. At the start of the Iraq war, when the military was practically pleading for qualified specialists in this field, they discharged him because an anonymous email outed him. (Source.)

I enjoy fantasy games because they often show the type of hope for the future we can only dream of. Even when things are at their darkest, we can find a way to overcome it all. I'd prefer to play in that type of universe, and that includes accepting a same-sex friendly relationship option.

Modifié par NightLad, 14 février 2010 - 02:30 .

[BLAHBLUE2001]

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...

On the gay marine thing , I don't think that's exclusive to america.Whether your straight or gay your seen as a soldier first meaning on the battlefield and currently off the battlefield your seen as straight.With the new policy their going to pass it would be ok to have same sex relationships as long as it's off duty.

Even with the measure if you are in the same sex group , you would have to check that at the door or battlefield.

As apposed to the straight marines that would be all over their girlfriends / boyfriends on he battlefield... 

sex gets "checked at the door" be it straight, gay, or whatever when it comes to the battlefield. 

[BrianWilly]

Don't Ask Don't Tell is such an outdated, shaky law that it may well be overturned within the next four or five years, much less over a century from now. It has absolutely zero bearing on the ME-verse, never mind the fact that it is a US-specific thing anyway. As far as the rest of the world goes, countries that allow gays to serve in the military clearly outnumber those that don't.

In other news, have you all seen this before? Apparently there can be an unrequited romance with Samara. It's pretty well-written, in fact.

Modifié par BrianWilly, 14 février 2010 - 04:04 .

[sw33ts]

If Samara is still alive in ME3, my Shepard will have far too many Asaris to choose from next game. That Shepard was interesting looking...and yes DADT is a very stupid policy. Duur we won't ask you if you're gay but if we see you being gay in civilian territory then we're going to put you under investigation.

[NickerBocker2013]

Actually Dont Ask Dont Tell is ending. The Defense Department is processing it because President Obama has ordered them to do so. They say it will be gone by December.

[Akrim_Drak]

BrianWilly wrote...

Don't Ask Don't Tell is such an outdated, shaky law that it may well be overturned within the next four or five years, much less over a century from now. It has absolutely zero bearing on the ME-verse, never mind the fact that it is a US-specific thing anyway. As far as the rest of the world goes, countries that allow gays to serve in the military clearly outnumber those that don't.

In other news, have you all seen this before? Apparently there can be an unrequited romance with Samara. It's pretty well-written, in fact.

I just did that Samara thing today! I was sad.

[comicfan22]

Samara is THE biggest tease. My femshep was devastated.

[Gemini1179]

comicfan22 wrote...

Samara is THE biggest tease. My femshep was devastated.

Same here on my first playthrough. Thought she might come to my cabin a la "we're probably gonna die, so..." but alas...

[Jimmy Fury]

Just to clarify...
Can Fem.Shep have the hots for Samara in the reg game or did that scene use the mod...?

Modifié par Jimmy Fury, 14 février 2010 - 05:12 .

[Gemini1179]

Jimmy Fury wrote...

Just to clarify...
Can Fem.Shep have the hots for Samara in the reg game or was did that scene use the mod...

That's in-game and as far as you can get. At least it was on the 360.

[wowpwnslol]

People still going with this useless topic? Get over yourselves, Bioware will not cave in to demands of vocal minority. I'd rather have more missions and more dialogue for normal romances. If you're that desperate, go to a gay chat room or something.

[peterflam]

BrianWilly wrote...

Don't Ask Don't Tell is such an outdated, shaky law that it may well be overturned within the next four or five years, much less over a century from now. It has absolutely zero bearing on the ME-verse, never mind the fact that it is a US-specific thing anyway. As far as the rest of the world goes, countries that allow gays to serve in the military clearly outnumber those that don't.

In other news, have you all seen this before? Apparently there can be an unrequited romance with Samara. It's pretty well-written, in fact.

dadt is meant to protect people more than anything. no one really cares if they're gay, hence gays are allowed in the military. but being open about it can cause problems within the ranks.

[comicfan22]

wowpwnslol wrote...

People still going with this useless topic? Get over yourselves, Bioware will not cave in to demands of vocal minority. I'd rather have more missions and more dialogue for normal romances. If you're that desperate, go to a gay chat room or something.

Our hope is never going to fade. Anywhoo, most people, including myself have come to a general decision that all we want is a m/m romance in ME3 and others have come up with excellent ideas on how to implement an avoidable way so that people of closed minds need'nt  worry if it is implemented. You've no need to be so rude and condecending.

[Jimmy Fury]

heh.
If you're gonna troll at least come up with something new. Thanks for bumping the thread though!

Anyway, so... Fem.Shep can express interest in 4 different females. 3 Asari and 1 human...
And one of those isn't even straight-boy fan service with two chicks getting it on. It's a slightly depressing entirely emotional romantic exchange.

Buuuuut M.Shep can't have 1 single solitary male LI...

I'm actually a bit bothered now.

Modifié par Jimmy Fury, 14 février 2010 - 05:32 .

[comicfan22]

Jimmy Fury wrote...


Anyway, so... Fem.Shep can express interest in 4 different females. 3 Asari and 1 human...
And one of those isn't even straight-boy fan service with two chicks getting it on. It's a slightly depressing entirely emotional romantic exchange.
Buuuuut M.Shep can't have 1 single solitary male LI...

I'm actually a bit bothered now.

 I don't blame you. I do TRULY hope BW can write a good m/m  bi romance for either some pre-existing crew members or a new gay romance for a new one in ME3. It isn't that hard.

[Sabul]

wowpwnslol wrote...

People still going with this useless topic? Get over yourselves, Bioware will not cave in to demands of vocal minority. I'd rather have more missions and more dialogue for normal romances. If you're that desperate, go to a gay chat room or something.

What gives you this impression? They have done so many times in the past. Fortunately it is not your choice to continue to exclude a rather sizable portion of their player base. I would not consider myself desperate at all. I am in a long term committed relationship. It is not about desiring some sort of sexual gratification or an alternate romance to those in our lives. It is about being able to fully customise our player character. Something they have touted since the first game.

Modifié par Sabul, 14 février 2010 - 05:35 .

[Erode_The_Soul]

wowpwnslol wrote...

People still going with this useless topic? Get over yourselves, Bioware will not cave in to demands of vocal minority. I'd rather have more missions and more dialogue for normal romances. If you're that desperate, go to a gay chat room or something.

First off, if you wish to engage in a discussion, telling someone to "get over yourself" is a terrible way to start. Not only does it serve to invalidate your points (if you were to make any) but it certainly doesn't paint you in the best light either.

However, ignoring your antagonistic approach, I'll address your points as I see them. You claim that you want more missions and more "normal <_<" romances in lieu of homosexual romances? Then I pose to you this question: why not all three? Why is it that you think homosexual romances, "normal:pinched:<_<" romances and missions must all be completely seperate? Given Bioware's track record, I think it's fair to assume they are capable of multitasking without the loss of substance. So, there's no real reason to think that Bioware would be unable to develop more missions and better romances of both the ****** and hetero variety.

Unless, of course, you're of the opinion that Bioware as a developer is just not that capable, in which case, we'll agree to disagree.

[LOST SPARTANJLC]

(SimonTheFrog: The colouring had been come up with because a lot of the people who are against it to not even want to be subjected to homosexual advances. This was one of the ways that they would find it acceptable.

DaeJi: Eh, I do as well. I am just something of a pessimist. Feels like it is too late for ME2 short of a new character.

LOST SPARTANJLC: That is just silly. I have never read any studies to suggest not being heterosexual has a negative affect on someones ability in combat. So asking someone to "act straight" if I am not mistaken just seems like the same old policy. In the UK gay men and women are permitted to serve openly. I am not aware of too many other countries with similar policies rather than practices.)

Your not going to find any studies , because no one wants to come out and say this is what we think.Not acting heterosexual on the battlefield probably won't endanger anyone.But the mindset will always be when your on the battlefield even if you are gay , it's expected of you to be the soldier.When they say serve openly that goes as far as when you sign up their not suppose to discriminate against you if your gay / turn you away / or punish for being gay on base.

Yes , it's the same old policy but what isn't these days.Like I said for the many that accept or make concession's you won't be able to change everything , at least not currently while the older generation and society are currently.

It will always be seen as when your on the battlefield your expected to act in a certain way.Just like male and female soldiers aren't suppose show favoritism or not want to send somebody on assignment because they have a relationship off the battlefield.

Modifié par LOST SPARTANJLC, 14 février 2010 - 05:44 .

[Jimmy Fury]

Lost-spartan.

I think you missed the point. Soldiers don't act gay *or* straight. They act like soldiers. That mentality has nothing to do with sexuality and never will.

[wowpwnslol]

[quote]Erode_The_Soul wrote...



However, ignoring your antagonistic approach, I'll address your points as I see them. You claim that you want more missions and more "normal <_<" romances in lieu of homosexual romances?
Then I pose to you this question: why not all three? Why is it that you think homosexual romances, "normal:pinched:<_<" romances and missions must all be completely seperate? [/quote]

Sigh. People around here are not very bright at all. Here, I'll explain in a way that even my 5 year old brother can understand:

When designing a game, the company does not have infinite resources. In other words, they can't add EVERYTHING to the game. Even if it were the case - I'd rather have 11 missions and 1 romance rather than 10 missions, 1 romance and one gay romance. Understand? No matter how you spin it, you can always devote development time to something different.


[quote]Given Bioware's track record, I think it's fair to assume they are capable of multitasking without the loss of substance. [/quote]

Just like any company they are working with finite resources. So you're wrong there, kiddo.

[quote]So, there's no real reason to think that Bioware would be unable to develop more missions and better romances of both the ****** and hetero variety. [/quote]

There is - I already explained why. And since most of the player base is normal - I am sure they'd rather have more developed normal romance or extra mission or two (appealing to both gays and normals).

[quote]Unless, of course, you're of the opinion that Bioware as a developer is just not that capable, in which case, we'll agree to disagree.[/quote]

I disagree. Because I do not live in a fairyland where companies have infinite resources and make games for fun rather than profit. Especially with EA running things.


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[Sabul]

I was going to say the exact same thing as Jimmy Fury. Only far more long-winded. I am pleased I do not have to type up the post I was formulating. Haha.

[Sabul]

wowpwnslol: The financial resources argument is not valid. It has been shown a lot of this content was already voiced, animated, and integrated into the story. It was only disable prior to release but left on the game disks to be reenabled by modders. There are countless videos on YouTube of the enabled content in Mass Effect.

Modifié par Sabul, 14 février 2010 - 05:55 .

[Jimmy Fury]

wowpwnslol.

The most obvious problem with that wall of text I forced myself to read is this:
Integrating a romance option doesn't take the same number of resources as a mission.
End of story really.
You can be patronizing and hostile all day long. It doesn't change the fact that recording a handful of lines doesn't require the same time, money, or effort as programing an entire mission.
And yes, it is a matter of pretty mmuch 1 or 2 extra hours in the studio for the Voice actors.
The animations would already exist for the m/f scenes. No new animation resources required. No new options added to the dialogue wheel either because they're already coded for the m/f version of the conversation.

Now if you waaaant a mission that uses the same number of resources I'm sure BioWare would be more than thrilled to throw in a couple of Prefab bases with 3 Vorcha in them. That'd probably take an hour or two to program...

OI!
Some quads there dude. You are seriously going to get self righteous over resource management after you started a thread saying all DLC should be free!?
You don't get to lecture people on resources when you don't even want to pay the devs for their work.

Modifié par Jimmy Fury, 14 février 2010 - 06:10 .

[Erode_The_Soul]

wowpwnslol wrote...

Sigh. People around here are not very bright at all. Here, I'll explain in a way that even my 5 year old brother can understand:

When designing a game, the company does not have infinite resources. In other words, they can't add EVERYTHING to the game. Even if it were the case - I'd rather have 11 missions and 1 romance rather than 10 missions, 1 romance and one gay romance. Understand? No matter how you spin it, you can always devote development time to something different.

Let's not start the whole "HUR HUR U STUPID U MUST BE 5 HUR HUR" thing, okay? Let's try and have a decent discussion.

The financial resources argument doesn't really hold a lot of water in this case. It has been proven that homosexual content was already voiced, animated, and supposed to be part of the story. However, it was cut prior to release for reasons we can only guess at. So, it doesn't really matter where that money could have been spent, because Bioware already spent it on the homosexual content. What we're trying to do is encourage them to not throw that time and those resources they spent away by cutting the content.

Just like any company they are working with finite resources. So you're wrong there, kiddo.

Ah, resorting to the "kiddo" rebuttle. That's how you know for sure you're dealing with an intelligent, reasonable individual

Of course their resources are limited --> see the argument above. They decided to spend the resources on homosexual content regardless; we're just trying to get them to implement it in the final product

There is - I already explained why. And since most of the player base is normal - I am sure they'd rather have more developed normal romance or extra mission or two (appealing to both gays and normals).

I suppose I'm in the category you call "normal" and I would have absolutely no problem with them developing a homosexual romance. Perhaps even one tied to a mission, so as to kill two birds with one stone.

I disagree.

Okay then.

Modifié par Erode_The_Soul, 14 février 2010 - 06:12 .