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[Arik7]

Collider wrote...

Ninja Mage wrote...
Only because they specifically removed the option to romance them as the same gender, it has nothing to do with Tali or Garrus liking the same sex or not.

Uh, yes it does. If it isn't in the game, then in a practical sense, they are not attracted to the same gender.

You seriously don't think that people HAVE to tell the object of their crush that they're interested in them? Not to mention, people can develop interest over time, it does not need to be immediate.

[Lopake]

Im straight but I think customizing a gay Shepard would be fun in a way

[Jimmy Fury]

Lopake wrote...
Im not saying this is true but maybe they all have this vision of who the male shepard is and they dont want videos all over youtube of Thane on his lap that is actualy gameplay. It is such a iffy topic.

too late!
I'm sure Bioware wouldn't underestimate the ingenuity of it's PC players like that.

[KumoriOokami]

Lightice_av wrote...

This is evidenced by the fact that Tali has FemShep voice files in the game for a romance.

She still sounds very flustered in that "sharing the suits"-part, and FemShep sounds positively flirty. There could still be development in that direction, if the writers are so inclined.

I totally agree ^^; Tali does not act like she's "in no way interested at all" there. ^^

[KumoriOokami]

Jimmy Fury wrote...

Lopake wrote...
Im not saying this is true but maybe they all have this vision of who the male shepard is and they dont want videos all over youtube of Thane on his lap that is actualy gameplay. It is such a iffy topic.

too late!
I'm sure Bioware wouldn't underestimate the ingenuity of it's PC players like that.

Plus there was already that vid of Grunt/Garrus floating around.

[Sabul]

Jimmy Fury wrote...

I think part of the retconning vs. adding debate comes down to personal interpretation of what constistutes an "established story".
My brain has been preprogrammed by comics to acknowledge multiple realities. For me every playthrough is a different version of Shepard's story. My first playthrough Shepard didn't meet Zaeed until halfway through his mission because that's when I got around to DLing him. In my second playthrough he was the first person who got recruited because he was waiting for me on Omega. I don't see this as a change to the story of my first playthrough, I see it as a different version of the story. I intend to do a number of things differently this time around, to me that changes nothing about how it was done the first time. That story will always be that story, anything new will be another story entirely.

This was such an outstanding point that it just has to be quoted.

[Sabul]

Jimmy Fury wrote...

I'm focusing on 2 which is still early enough in it's release that many things can be patched in. I assume the Hammerhead will be usable through the entire game once it comes out. Same with Kasumi. Technically they would both be retconning for anyone who has already finished 1 playthrough.

As was this well done.  It works so well with the previous quote.
I seem to have missed a good deal of fun in my time away.

Modifié par Sabul, 14 février 2010 - 10:49 .

[DaeJi]

Jimmy Fury wrote...

I think part of the retconning vs. adding debate comes down to personal interpretation of what constistutes an "established story".
My brain has been preprogrammed by comics to acknowledge multiple realities. For me every playthrough is a different version of Shepard's story. My first playthrough Shepard didn't meet Zaeed until halfway through his mission because that's when I got around to DLing him. In my second playthrough he was the first person who got recruited because he was waiting for me on Omega. I don't see this as a change to the story of my first playthrough, I see it as a different version of the story. I intend to do a number of things differently this time around, to me that changes nothing about how it was done the first time. That story will always be that story, anything new will be another story entirely.

Hmmm... I can see this. The story does change with every new playthrough, and adding in same sex content (with the existing characters) would just be another version of the story. It would allow for more stories too, allow for more playthroughs. I like this point.

[That Ninja]

biddypocket wrote...

1) Norm? yes. Who creates norms? Society. What's your point?

It's a biological norm, and the point is that you'd better get used to it. The world is not going to be restructured according to gay interests.

2) "default" ? Are you trying to say that everyone starts off heterosexual? There's millions who would disagree

Almost everyone is heterosexual, and almost everyone is assumed to be heterosexual. This is simply a fact.

3) "basis of human life" ? Last time I checked, it was the unification of sperm and egg...which can be done in a testtube these days. *shrug* no one ever said you had to be heterosexual to make babies...and what about bisexuals?

Heterosexuality is a prerequisite for our existence.

Anyway, stop whining.

[AnathamaDye]

DaeJi wrote...

Jimmy Fury wrote...

I think part of the retconning vs. adding debate comes down to personal interpretation of what constistutes an "established story".
My brain has been preprogrammed by comics to acknowledge multiple realities. For me every playthrough is a different version of Shepard's story. My first playthrough Shepard didn't meet Zaeed until halfway through his mission because that's when I got around to DLing him. In my second playthrough he was the first person who got recruited because he was waiting for me on Omega. I don't see this as a change to the story of my first playthrough, I see it as a different version of the story. I intend to do a number of things differently this time around, to me that changes nothing about how it was done the first time. That story will always be that story, anything new will be another story entirely.

Hmmm... I can see this. The story does change with every new playthrough, and adding in same sex content (with the existing characters) would just be another version of the story. It would allow for more stories too, allow for more playthroughs. I like this point.

I like that.  That's how I see it too.  My first playthrough I got Mordin first but on my second I went and picked up Grunt, then Jack, Garrus, then Mordin.  I like the changes, it makes it feel like a different game each playthrough.

[DaeJi]

That Ninja wrote...
It's a biological norm, and the point is that you'd better get used to it. The world is not going to be restructured according to gay interests.

What is this about the world? We're talking about a game and players' choice in said game. Adding same sex romances increases a player's ability to tailor the story to their liking (which is a big selling point in BioWare games) and would make the game more fun for many players (a lot more than the gay players and players on this board). It's BioWare making money for themselves and giving fans more ways to play; why is that bad?

[AnathamaDye]

That Ninja wrote...

biddypocket wrote...

1) Norm? yes. Who creates norms? Society. What's your point?

It's a biological norm, and the point is that you'd better get used to it. The world is not going to be restructured according to gay interests.

I have to disagree with you.  Just about 60 years ago it was the "norm" to have segregated bathrooms for blacks and whites.  It was the "norm" that you'd have to marry your own race.  Look how society is changing.  I don't think gay people want more rights than anyone else has, they just want equal rights and to freely choose how they want to live their life

btw how are people straying so far from the original topic?  This is a debate about gay romances in MASS EFFECT not the world, lol.

Modifié par AnathamaDye, 14 février 2010 - 11:53 .

[Arik7]

That Ninja, you started "whining" about the gay lifestyle being forced upon you, and yet you are asking us to shut up and to conform to your lifestyle. Height of hypocrisy.

Modifié par Arik7, 15 février 2010 - 12:00 .

[Jimmy Fury]

must... not... feed... troll...



You can't stop progress. This is a simple fact.



crap.

[Erode_The_Soul]

That Ninja wrote...
The world is not going to be restructured according to gay interests.

Well then, it's a good thing this thread is not asking it to, yeah?

As far as I know, the only thing we're doing is letting Bioware know that there is a segment of their audience that would appreciate same-sex romance options, were they to find themselves considering such content.

Modifié par Erode_The_Soul, 15 février 2010 - 12:17 .

[sw33ts]

Jeez. This thing just keeps on growing. Hopefully not due to trolls.

[DaeJi]

sw33ts wrote...

Jeez. This thing just keeps on growing. Hopefully not due to trolls.

Growth is good, and it's not like the trolls outnumber the supporters.

[Sabul]

I would like to change my stance to troll to help with increased activity. Gays should not be in video games because they are not common in life. I am totally srs guise. l:

Modifié par Sabul, 15 février 2010 - 01:26 .

[PyroFreak301]

Sabul wrote...

I would like to change my stance to troll to help with increased activity. Gays should not be in video games because they are not common in life. I am totally srs guise. l:

Youz is totally right! Also, biology says it's wrong, because nature is capable of making such rules y'know.

[KumoriOokami]

Sabul wrote...

I would like to change my stance to troll to help with increased activity. Gays should not be in video games because they are not common in life. I am totally srs guise. l:

Unlike all of the Turians and Quarians that I'm friends with / have hetero relations with irl. 

[Sabul]

PyroFreak301 wrote...

Youz is totally right! Also, biology says it's wrong, because nature is capable of making such rules y'know.

Being gay in space is not possible since it is mother natures population control. WHO NEEDS POPULATION CONTROLLED IN SPACE?

KumoriOokami: I know man. I have friends who look like that as well.

[Fade9wayz]

KumoriOokami wrote...

Lightice_av wrote...

This is evidenced by the fact that Tali has FemShep voice files in the game for a romance.

She still sounds very flustered in that "sharing the suits"-part, and FemShep sounds positively flirty. There could still be development in that direction, if the writers are so inclined.

I totally agree ^^; Tali does not act like she's "in no way interested at all" there. ^^

Again, this is a subjective interpretation, which is as valid as any other, mind you. Personaly, I interpreted it as a sign of great trust and friendship and went all 'awww' when she proposed to share a suit. I am among those who get the big sister/little sister vibe from her. And I'm actually female, playing a FemShep and far from straight myself. While I would welcome it if Tali became a LI option in ME3 for femShep, I must say I am also against any patch that would modify the current characters in ME2 so drastically. I find this rather... inelegant. As if that was just an after-thought. BW has made decisions for ME2 and they should abide by them. Everything is open for ME3 though, and I hope they will make M/M and F/F relationships possible in the future game.

The only patch I would really welcome with open arms is one that would fix all the bugs that plague the game like a rat infestation in a cheese factory. That said, I would most likely and very hypocritely dowload it if Bioware released a "gay romance patch"

[Sabul]

I think I am already bored of my new troll persona. All the points are automatically poorly constructed and too easy to refute. There is just no fun in that. :c

Modifié par Sabul, 15 février 2010 - 01:52 .

[DaeJi]

Fade9wayz wrote...
The only patch I would really welcome with open arms is one that would fix all the bugs that plague the game like a rat infestation in a cheese factory. That said, I would most likely and very hypocritely dowload it if Bioware released a "gay romance patch"

You and two thirds of the haters probably. People will complain up and down and go on and on about how changing something ruins the game; like what happened with the ammo thing. I guess once all of them went out and got the game, they knew how much they were not going to like it.

[Fade9wayz]

DaeJi wrote...

You and two thirds of the haters probably. People will complain up and down and go on and on about how changing something ruins the game; like what happened with the ammo thing. I guess once all of them went out and got the game, they knew how much they were not going to like it.

The ammo thing? What ammo thing? Sorry, but I truly don't know what you are refering to and would like it if you could explain to me, so that I can comprehend where the comparison lies. As far as the game goes, I don't find myself bothered by the ammos and I haven't seen any topic about that, but then, I don't check all the topics on this forum, so it would be easy for me to miss it.

Oh and hater is too strong a word, disagreeing to something doesn't mean hating it.

Modifié par Fade9wayz, 15 février 2010 - 02:13 .