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[sw33ts]

Sabul wrote...

It does help for thread activity. Any activity is good activity after all

Yah, no.  I don't agree.  As a bisexual female, I'm already forced into that negative light.  I'm greedy; I'm promiscuous; I'm greedy.

We really don't need BW coming in here and see bickering and we don't need ignorant straight people coming in here thinking that all gay people do is **** and bicker with other immature posters.

[sw33ts]

Double post.

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Modifié par sw33ts, 15 février 2010 - 07:42 .

[Sabul]

Jimmy Fury wrote...

Sabul,
I just added a thread to FFTL with the chart link and info and such so we can all have it around without having to dig through the thread here.

This is wonderful. We can also add the list of all our suggestions of how it can be implemented in game to that thread as well. Would make it so I no longer have to type it each time at least. 8D

[LOST SPARTANJLC]

For now you can't choose to be african american.Being gay just seems like more than biology.The equation should be straight + straight = straight / gay + gay = gay.But that's not usually the case , sometimes it's gay + gay = straight / straight + straight = gay.



No different than if a mixed couple have a baby . the baby can look pure African american or Caucasian american / sometimes their isn't an in-between features.



Lots and lots of variables , especially when it comes to games.

[Jimmy Fury]

... for now?

and I don't understand the equation part... straight people only make straight children? I.. is that what you're saying?

i'm confused.

[sw33ts]

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...

For now you can't choose to be african american.Being gay just seems like more than biology.The equation should be straight + straight = straight / gay + gay = gay.But that's not usually the case , sometimes it's gay + gay = straight / straight + straight = gay.

No different than if a mixed couple have a baby . the baby can look pure African american or Caucasian american / sometimes their isn't an in-between features.

Lots and lots of variables , especially when it comes to games.

Lol.  As an engineer I should understand your equation, but I do not.  What are you talking about?

Being gay or straight doesn't depend on your parents sexuality last I checked.  I mean I know gay people who have straight christian parents.  And then I know straight people with lesbians moms.

Maybe I just don't get your point.  So what is your point?

[Sabul]

sw33ts: I do not see myself as bickering. I thought we were just debating back and forth.



LOST SPARTANJLC: The fact sexuality can be produced from all those sorts of couples just shows that it is still out of the persons control and is random. It is a responses to the environment and it can also be affected by the number of sons a mother had prior. Making it a biological function. Also John Howard Griffin chose to be black for six weeks.

[Wittand25]

Marta Rio wrote...

So I'm super late to this party, but has anyone brought up the idea of defining Shepherd's sexuality at the customization screen? You define it just like you would class or appearance, so that once the game starts there is no way that you might accidentally start a flirtation that you're uncomfortable with. You wouldn't even have to see any homosexual dialogue options if you defined a heterosexual character, and vice versa.

Good idea, but I personally would prefare if this is done in game, like in a conversation with an npc (like Kelly)Shepard has the option to express intrest in both sexes which unlocks the same-sex romance with one of the LI.

[sw33ts]

It's not really debating if he's pulling random things out of his ass in an attempt to get you to insult him. Now, maybe he wasn't attempting to do that, but seeing how that's what he tends to do....theeen....yah.

[Sabul]

sw33ts wrote...

It's not really debating if he's pulling random things out of his ass in an attempt to get you to insult him. Now, maybe he wasn't attempting to do that, but seeing how that's what he tends to do....theeen....yah.

I suppose. I just enjoy countering stupid points. D:

[Marta Rio]

Sabul wrote...

Marta Rio wrote...

So I'm super late to this party, but has anyone brought up the idea of defining Shepherd's sexuality at the customization screen? You define it just like you would class or appearance, so that once the game starts there is no way that you might accidentally start a flirtation that you're uncomfortable with. You wouldn't even have to see any homosexual dialogue options if you defined a heterosexual character, and vice versa.

I have heard of it and would love an option like this. However people would be offended by even seeing any word other than "Heterosexual".

I guess my question to all the people who are calling for "no gay romances" is this:  Would you have a problem with this way of implementing the romance options?  (i.e. just seeing the word "homosexual" or "bisexual" as an option at the customization screen, but never having it impact your gameplay in any way).  If yes, then why?  I know people like to make the argument "because Shep is a pre-defined character," but if we were talking about the customization of anything besides sexuality (paragon vs. renegade, race, gender, class, etc.), no one would make that argument.  I guess my question is really:  are people truly bothered by the fact that somewhere, on somebody else's Xbox console, there is a gay Commander Shepherd?

[Jimmy Fury]

Marta Rio wrote...
(i.e. just seeing the word "homosexual" or "bisexual" as an option at the customization screen, but never having it impact your gameplay in any way).

If I may, it would probably be more acceptable if it stated something like "interest: men women both" and you got to pick one of the three.
Apparently people are more welcoming to the words "gay and lesbian" than they are "homosexual"
Some CBS DADT survey thing discovered it: Linkage
So it seems likely that something where you just pick an interest might be even more acceptable.

Althoooouuuugh. I'm sure there will be whiny people going "I don't like that it upholds the stereotype that people choose to be gay" while ignoring that the same screen lets you choose sex, race, eye color, hair color, etc... but I digress.

Modifié par Jimmy Fury, 15 février 2010 - 08:00 .

[Ninja Mage]

Well I am black too and I didn't ''choose'' to be gay, that's how I am

[Jimmy Fury]

Oh and personally I think something like that would be better implemented in a new series. Might be weird to throw that in for the last game...

[Sabul]

Would these people rather Shepard's sexuality be randomly determined each playthrough? Every 1 in 10 games you are gay. Yeah. That sounds like fun. l:

[aestheticmachine]

IN THE FUTURE, THE GAY IS CURED/EVERYONE IS BI

this is kind of an interesting thread was just discussing it with a friend. i'm probably going to repeat things that have been said already, but it would be great to see thoughts. and.. for people who think one can 'choose' to be a sexuality, that sounds like some kind of psychosis or severe form of attention ****.

it almost feels like both sides want all or nothing. understandably some people are uncomfortable being 'forced' into a straight relationship, as some would be in a gay relationship. on the other hand, this game doesn't even nudge - let alone force you, into any kind of romance. it's also unrealistic (both socially as we know it, and in terms of making a game) to make every character bisexual.. but seems odd that it was blatantly omitted in the first game, with the same studio making homosexual choices available in Dragon Age. even i would love to see every char bisexual (goddamn you Thane), but strangely i'm personally against that. it makes it uninteresting - it loses the variety we have in real life. the majority, like it or not, are straight peoples makin some babiez everywhere.

it's really interesting to see how we project ourselves onto a character that technically isn't ours - we want them to make the choices we'd make, or be who we would like to be. is this focus on sexuality for ME because it's a character we shape ourselves? do people feel this constraint when you're 'forced' to play a determined character? or does that not count because we're just kind of moving them along, and not really 'being' them?

in the end it seems both sides are occasionally having some unrealistic demands; we want our cake and a chainsaw too. personally i don't think there is any reason you can't enjoy a game just because it has no homosexual content, but on the other hand there's been some very strange and seemingly unnecessary changes that have made it a focal point.

i wonder if licking Thane would cause awesome hallucinations or really bad trips.  I DONT CARE

Modifié par aestheticmachine, 15 février 2010 - 08:08 .

[Wompoo]

Couldn't careless one way or another. As far as I am concerned it really comes down to whether the sales figures for that section of the market are large enough to justify the expense... my guess is no.

[Jimmy Fury]

Sabul wrote...

Would these people rather Shepard's sexuality be randomly determined each playthrough? Every 1 in 10 games you are gay. Yeah. That sounds like fun. l:

Hey I'm just playing devil's advocate on that one. You know how touchy people can get.
I know there would be someone with an overzealous politically correct streak who would freak out and not pay attention to the fact that nothing else on that screen is selectable irl either.

Although... randomly generated sexuality would be HILARIOUS... but yeah... probably not a good idea lol.

[Marta Rio]

Jimmy Fury wrote...
If I may, it would probably be more acceptable if it stated something like "interest: men women both" and you got to pick one of the three.
Apparently people are more welcoming to the words "gay and lesbian" than they are "homosexual"
Some CBS DADT survey thing discovered it: Linkage
So it seems likely that something where you just pick an interest might be even more acceptable.

Good point.

Jimmy Fury wrote...
Althoooouuuugh. I'm sure there will be whiny people going "I don't like that it upholds the stereotype that people choose to be gay" while ignoring that the same screen lets you choose sex, race, eye color, hair color, etc... but I digress.

Ugh, I can see the FOX news report now..."Canadian Videogame developer Bioware proclaims 'sexuality is a choice' " followed by hours of talking heads manufacturing a ****storm.

Modifié par Marta Rio, 15 février 2010 - 08:11 .

[aestheticmachine]

It seems redundant to choose your sexuality at the starting screen though wouldn't it be more fun to develop that sort of thing during the game? Plus it's not like it magically removes the dialogue from the game itself, it's always there. At the most if a character you're not interested in starts getting crazy for you, you could just let them down easy - or not, if you want to go all badass Renegade.

[Sabul]

aestheticmachine: We do not want everyone to be bisexual. We only want the characters that were written as, voiced, animated, and implemented into the game as bisexual to have remained bisexual or be an option in 3. I would be happy with one male romance option who I have to jump through hoops for just to show my interest.

Wompoo: It helped Dragon Age. http://tinyurl.com/y9nnqor Dragon Age outsold Mass Effect in it's first 14 weeks on the Xbox 360.

Jimmy Fury: I was just kidding man. I agree with you. Those people cannot be taken seriously however. Haha. I am glad you liked it.

Modifié par Sabul, 15 février 2010 - 08:18 .

[LOST SPARTANJLC]

Basically , I was saying going by the first two that's how it should work.While the second two show how different the outcomes can be , essentially too many variables to many outcomes to consider that affect everything.(Mordin)

Modifié par LOST SPARTANJLC, 15 février 2010 - 08:17 .

[Jimmy Fury]

Wompoo wrote...

Couldn't careless one way or another. As far as I am concerned it really comes down to whether the sales figures for that section of the market are large enough to justify the expense... my guess is no.

aaaand CHART ATTACK!
American XBOX 360 sales as of 14 weeks in Market:
DAO: 1,091,566
ME1: 1,055,192
Gay male romance options do not hurt sales.
http://www.vgchartz....s Effect - X360[7635]&reg2=America&game2=Dragon+Age%3A+Origins+-+X360[33505]&reg3=America&game3=&weeks=20

Marta Rio wrote...
Ugh, I can see the FOX news report
now..."Canadian Videogame developer Bioware proclaims 'sexuality is
choice' " followed by hours of talking heads manufacturing a
****storm.

ick. I forgot about that angle. yeeeeah ok maybe not a good plan lol

[Weiser_Cain]

Sabul wrote...

Weiser_Cain wrote...

There should be gay romances in the game. That said there should be clear clues that you're headed down the romance path and not the just friends path.... Also I sometimes just want to seduce everyone on the ship.

The consensus is for dialog options that initiate romance to be coloured green or different in some way. There is also an optional DLC released at the same time as ME3 solution. As well as many others to make it so those who would feel uncomfortable are not subjected to homosexual advances.

You have the option to blow people away. You can't claim extreme delicacy. What do you do when you're hit on in real life?