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[Valmy]

Malecite00 wrote...

Well the biggest thing that Im guilty of in the first playthrough was thinking "the game will open up at some point, then ill go explore". So I did a few of the planetary side quests that I came cross. Little did I know that by going to the Omega 4 relay I was not in fact just going to kick some collector ass, but rather well you guys know what happens. Then the end of the game hit me like a slap in the face. So given the choice I likely WOULD have gone to investigate more of the galaxy, but after beating it with 0 difficulty I didn't really see the point.

But then again im a gamer who operates under a reward system. I expect if im going to go to point A I will receive gear A in return. I realize thats not how we all do things, but its my MO.

Got it.  I can see how this may not have been a good game for you then.  Mass Effect 2 was designed to be a character driven thing about you and your squad and preparation for the mission.

[cerberus1701]

WarlockSoL wrote...

Dude, this is like the five hundredth thread saying the same exact thing. You aren't special.

A lot of people like the game. A few (vocal minority) absolute hate it and post threads like this every single day. It's all white noise at this point.  Hence the "yawn"

Seconded.

[lil dawg]

Hey , I've come on these forums to toss up my ideas on what should be changed for me3 and I think I agree with malecite a bit. i know i just jumped on this forum and don't have the game registered , but i have put in my time to both me1 and me2. i've put more time in me2 in two classes so far than i did in me1 with all the classes total so i do like it. great game gameplay wise, but it is lacking in the rpg element. even just a bit more would be awsome, here are my ideas.



- bring the leveling back up to 60 and make the power upping more gradual , not just 4 levels to each power, because it allows you to feel more accomplished when you're playing it for at least 25 hours a play through.



- when you're scanning the planets, they shouldn't be all the same size, the smaller ones should be smaller when you go to scan them! i hate going on a pluto like planet and when you go to scan it its the same size as the last jupitury one you scanned. that way when you find a rich tiny planet you feel so relieved that scanning it will only take a few minutes vs a rich giant planet. I don't mind having the scanning thing in me3, but i would like to find anomalies more frequently.



- please bring some sort of equipment system back. i hated the "buy parts for your armor" thing (and yes i have the collector and terminus armor for which both you can't take the helmet off.) and the minimal weapons (4 ARs... 2 of almost everything else if you don't count the special squad prototypes). I think that looting was an awesome part of me1 and its just not as rewarding how they've implemented the rewards in me2. heavy weapons were a cool edition.



other than that, loved the game, still playing it. anyone opposed like these ideas? and if anyone is going to complain about this being my first post just hit up my gamertag on xbl L1L DawG, you'll see i've played the crap out of both games.

[mhendon]

I think what the op is angry about is that bioware sort of succeeded in alienating a lot of the fans of the first game by making ME2 mostly a shooter. It IS dumbed down, still a really fun game but it is so different from ME1 that you almost can't compare the two. I bought ME2 expecting a lot of what I got from ME1 to be improved not something this different. Again, not hating ME2 just disappointed as a fan of ME1, that's all.

[lil dawg]

yeah i know what you mean, it is still a great game... was gonna try to win that trip to bioware studios via xbl to talk to them lol but you had to get the game starting from the 29th of January so i was out of luck.

[Psython]

I sort of hate how a lot of people on this forum call people doing critical reviews "whiny hardcore gamers" and a "vocal minority". Seriously, grow up. If you want to shoot someone down do it with a real argument instead of rude smear tactics. Same goes for the reviewers who call all disagreers fanboys. Everyone is here to post their opinions on the game and have a discussion.



I think ME2 was weak in a lot of areas and I think that the OP is right on the money in a lot of ways. I disagree with the length comment however, it took me 37 hours to do everything. I like the gameplay and characters but hate the linear combat levels, weak customization, short lame main story and replacing planet exploration with boring scanning. If Bioware keeps the good things from ME2 and brings back/expands the ideas started in ME1, ME3 will finally be the game we all want. Thats the point right, to make a well designed game that is easy to learn but has depth. ME2 is missing the depth in story and gameplay to make it super memorable.

[yowave]

Think i saw it somewhere...

[Satanicfirewraith]

TC, I agree with your thread!
I found the game lacking in many areas.
Very sad that BW can take make a game like ME 1 and its a epicly awesome game, and then they make ME 2 and remove damn near everything that makes the game great and replace it with a mediocre third person shooter game.

Atmosfear3 wrote...

ME2 in 12 hours might be possible if and only if you skip through every single dialogue option and cutscene.

Everyone who complains seems to forget the real meat of this and the previous ME is the dialogue and story. You honestly play this game for the gameplay? Don't get me wrong, the gameplay is much better than the first but this is an average shooter at best. It is the elements of a shooter and RPG combined that makes this a truly amazing title.

Honestly whats the point if all the dialogue is bland and hallow?
there was really nothing about ANY of the dialogue that moved me, and it dont help whrn vandershep still does a horrid job at voice acting....

EternalWolfe wrote...

More "This game isn't perfect" threads. Whee!

ME2 has flaws. Several of them. I don't deny that. Its still a good game.
ME1 has flaws. Several of them. I don't deny THAT. Its still a good game.

Note:
I think(yes, think, its hard to believe sometimes) that some flaws in
ME2 = devs trying to carve off the flaws in ME1 and taking a little too
much out. For example, the inventory in ME1 was horribly implemented.
The inventory in ME2 was far better implemented, yet lacked
substance(although it had more variety then ME1 in actual useage, such
as weapons actually acting different). There a couple of these.

In
my mind(so opinion), The first one hit a little too far one way, the
second hit a little too far the other. If luck(and Bioware) provides,
ME3 will fall dead on in the middle.

Edit: Also, the idea about
modding a weapon like you do armor(changeable parts like grip, ammo
block, ect, ect) has been suggested before.  That's one point I hope
Bioware listens too when making ME3.  I like the feel of building my
own armor/weapon piece by piece.

Yes ME 1 was flawed, and BW instead of fixing the flaws, and making another great ME game, trashed most of the flaws and replaced it.... making a streamlined shooter.... instead of an amazing rpg.
To many things were dumbed down or removed, and now we are left with a subpar third person shooter with some very lite story to it.

Seriously.... (tho I havent tried) once you get the normandy, whats stopping you form accessing the Omega 4 relay...... You'd be at most 3 hours in.....

Valmy wrote...



Got it.  I can see how this may not have
been a good game for you then.  Mass Effect 2 was designed to be a
character driven thing about you and your squad and preparation for the
mission.

?!? WTF ?!?
The problem with that is that the characters were so god damn hallow!
Seriously.... 1 mission each to get them, and do a couple side missions and boom they want you to help them and 1 mission later they are loyal?!?!

Tey had no soul, they had no energy... nothing.
Not even Tali and I loved tali.
hell I was dying to get Legion... and even that was a sad and empty experiance.

ME 1 had party banter, had them talking to you during missions, talking to each other during mission... ME 2 had....
nothing.

ME 2 is a sad shell of what ME 1 was.... BW should be ashamed at what they did to ME as a whole!

[Satanicfirewraith]

Also I will add my thoughts that I started a thred about a week or so ago....


OK now after playing for 16 hours... Here are my impressions with ME 2.
The good and the bad ones...

First off, bad parts...

I have never been a huge fan of the new ammo mechanic, and after playing for 16 hours I can say I am still no fan. To me it seems to have slowed combat even more, weapons are ..... well I cant think of a good word, but its annoying that I have to keep switching weapons ever 5 seconds or so during battle because I run way low on ammo trying to snip the bad guys from a distance.
I believe the combat pace is actually slower because of the ammo issuse.
Had there been a Hybrid system where a gun does cool like in ME 1, but allowed for a fast cooldown by reloading it would have been so much better because it wouldn't make the normal wepons useless after your 10 shots on the sniper are used up. (that or the amounts for each weapons ammo should be tripled!)

The annoying fuel system and driving the ship... just seems like it was added to make the game seem longer. I'm sorry but adding fluff like that to lengthen a game is bad. More story content, larger levels thats how to increase game length not by artifical methods.....

Now... the weapons... 19 different types, but so hard to find. I mean in ME 1 weapons dropped left and right. Different companies, same weapon, different stats... In ME 2 there is like only a couple variants of the main weapons and only 1 version of the heavy weapons (at least that I know of so far) I am actually kinda annoyed by this minor thing as I wanted to switch out my Shotty and Sniper already with a different one and have yet to find any... =(

Now on to the unreadable texts..... This needs to be fixed! ME 1 was hard to read some times, but whoever came up with the idea of making the font smaller, putting Orange on Orange and making the text the same color as alot of the backround colors should be pink slipped! Seriously I am 16 hr in and I think I only have read about a fourth of the text so far because of the issues or it blending into the back round, or the font being to small to read on the orange on orange codex/journal pages.

Then there is the horride screen when your low on health... That damn screen has actually gotten me killed now 4 times because it blocks out the screen and makes it damn near impossible to see where cover is at! That needs to be removed and replaced with something alot less intrusive on the screen!

The mission complete so needs to go. Period! I'm sorry but Why Bioware? Why would you add something like THAT? It screams Shooter not rpg. Not only is it lame, but is breaks the gameplay massively. Ok not gameplay but the immersion factor. Its horrible and was completely unneeded.

Now to the minigames.....
While the plaent scanning is better then driving a mako on barren cookie cutter planets, its still boring... really boring....
Hacking... that is just a bad minigame... not fun at all.
Then the bypassing one.... That one so far seems good. Memory and matching is kinda fun... so I like that one!

I also dislike that you can no longer crouch, well unless your around cover. Seems kinda stupid... Shep can crouch behind boxes, but cant crouch any other time?? This needs fixed.

The Helmet and Armor issues are also annoying... Why is it such a hard thing to progrm the helms are removed, during talk sequnces? I mean how does Shep drink through his helm? Why spend as much time making the eyes look real or on the faces to make them look amazing if your going to allow us to hide them completely during cutscenes?


Now I know alot of you are thinking that I am bashing the game, and your entitled to think that, But i am just stating what I like and what I dont so hopefully BW will take some notice of these threads like this, along with others and FIX some of the bad things to improve ME 3 to almost prefection....

Also, I dislike the lack of actual inventory. I dont mind had they actualy streamlined it, but its been completely removed. That was one way you made money in ME, was to sell your junk weapons/mods off. Its actually something thats fairly annoying in ME 2 that instead of improving it it was removed.
Why not make it so the same items stack? and then if you feel like you want to get rid of them you CAN actually sell them to make some money.
That really sucks... I've passed up a few things in the stores that I wanted to get being weapons/armor upgrades as they or over priced and I can no longer sell my useless mods/weapons off....

Anyhow I do commend BW on a game almost well done. Its a good game even with the flaws and I look forward to seeing how it unfolds.
{smilie}

Modifié par Satanicfirewraith, 10 février 2010 - 12:12 .

[Flash_in_the_flesh]

Satanicfirewraith wrote...

Yes ME 1 was flawed, and BW instead of fixing the flaws, and making another great ME game, trashed
most of the flaws and replaced it.... making a streamlined shooter.... instead of an amazing rpg.
To many things were dumbed down or removed, and now we are left with a subpar third
person shooter with some very lite story to it.

Really I'm trying hard to understand what you people are talking about. ME1 an amazing RPG [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/andy.png[/smilie].

Well, I'd call ME1 an amazing game despite many flaws but amazing RPG? Not.

ME2 is the same RPG ME1 is, just the "subpar" shooter elements are better. If you call ME1 big number of skills which differ by meaningless +1-2% to something irrelevant or heaps of weapons which all act, feel and look the
same RPG, then you surely value quantity over quality.

Yea, I miss party banter but it's not what defines "amazing RPG". Bland dialogues and hollow characters is your exaggerated subjective opinion, which of course you have right to present. Nothing wrong with that. Just please put your opinion in "IMO"brackets. Your post is aggressive and angry enough without it.

Modifié par Flash_in_the_flesh, 10 février 2010 - 12:27 .

[Lonely_Fat_Guy]

at the Op and other bashers.



i agrea on a few points, i think mixing ME 1 with 2 would be the perfect game.

the "dumming down" thing i dont agrea with, the loss of an inventory had me cheering, works great, now you get upgrades (cause serious? changing armor during combat?) you can utilize afther a mission, the whole mission summary is fine too.



as for the connection with team amtes i have to concure, didnt feel so much for most, cause there so many i dont think the most go very deep. it all feels so short.



as for saying it only took you 12 hours to finsih the game including all loyalty missions is a lie, not possible. yes its not a really hard game even on insanity (dont play lower) but its not possible to do it all in 12hours. either dont excegerate or put on the real time you put into it.



also i dont get the whole RPG blahblah, ME1 whasnt a big custimable RPG either, the skills wernt that much or that diverce, in the end most characters had about everything only difrence is in wich one they had maxed out. and i hate the acruacy in ME1 shooting miss with a shootgung from upclose is just stupid. the combat is really improved, now th combat AI and im happy

[Bootsykk]

I totally agree!

Only dungeons and dragons is worthy of playing. Unless you have to spend 10 years learning how to play, it ain't worth it.

Because after all, a game isn't supposed to be, y'know, fun or anything. It's supposed to make you feel like a high-and-mighty egotistical awesomesauce because you're so 1337 when nobody else can understand the game mechanics.

[EternalWolfe]

Juneya wrote...

I totally agree!

Only dungeons and dragons is worthy of playing. Unless you have to spend 10 years learning how to play, it ain't worth it.

Because after all, a game isn't supposed to be, y'know, fun or anything. It's supposed to make you feel like a high-and-mighty egotistical awesomesauce because you're so 1337 when nobody else can understand the game mechanics.

. . . hey, i liked D&D.  No need to go bashing a game because you want to bash somebody specific.

[kiyyto]

The OP is right.
The game is just not very good when compared to ME; its shallow, short, and simple.

[kiyyto]

Juneya wrote...

I totally agree!

Only dungeons and dragons is worthy of playing. Unless you have to spend 10 years learning how to play, it ain't worth it.

Because after all, a game isn't supposed to be, y'know, fun or anything. It's supposed to make you feel like a high-and-mighty egotistical awesomesauce because you're so 1337 when nobody else can understand the game mechanics.

What does 1337 mean?

[Disturbed205]

Mass Effect 2 was a good game, but not what it should have been. I hope Mass Effect 3 adds in a lot more customization and choices.



I was disappointed at the whole 4 pieces of armor for each slot..:\\

[kiyyto]

Flash_in_the_flesh wrote...

Satanicfirewraith wrote...

Yes ME 1 was flawed, and BW instead of fixing the flaws, and making another great ME game, trashed
most of the flaws and replaced it.... making a streamlined shooter.... instead of an amazing rpg.
To many things were dumbed down or removed, and now we are left with a subpar third
person shooter with some very lite story to it.

Really I'm trying hard to understand what you people are talking about. ME1 an amazing RPG [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/andy.png[/smilie].

Well, I'd call ME1 an amazing game despite many flaws but amazing RPG? Not.

ME2 is the same RPG ME1 is, just the "subpar" shooter elements are better. If you call ME1 big number of skills which differ by meaningless +1-2% to something irrelevant or heaps of weapons which all act, feel and look the
same RPG, then you surely value quantity over quality.

Yea, I miss party banter but it's not what defines "amazing RPG". Bland dialogues and hollow characters is your exaggerated subjective opinion, which of course you have right to present. Nothing wrong with that. Just please put your opinion in "IMO"brackets. Your post is aggressive and angry enough without it.

Why does the OP need to put his opinion in brackets?
Isn't it already obvious that whatever he writes is his own opinion?
Are we all supposed to preface everything we ever say with the obvious, that we are saying it, that it is our opinion?

It makes little sense to say that ME2 is the same RPG that ME was and then support that statement by proclaiming the shooting elements are better.

I agree that Mass Effect was not an amazing RPG, but it had enough RPG elements in it to keep me fully satisfied. I don't feel the same about ME2. I see the difference between the tech lab and finding weapons and armor across the galaxy as a poor transition. Like planet scanning, the weapons system bores me. I wish that the developers had put more time into fixing the flaws of ME rather than shelving all the ideas that needed work.

[Flash_in_the_flesh]

kiyyto wrote...

The OP is right.
The game is just not very good when compared to ME; its shallow, short, and simple.

This ammount of arguments make a big contribution to this thread.

Let me be equally helpful and say: the game is much better compared to ME: it's fun, of better quality and with high replay value.

Maybe it's too detailed description.

[kiyyto]

newcomplex wrote...

bjdbwea wrote...

Why I find quite funny is this bashing of ME 1 whenever someone dares to criticize ME 2. Without ME 1 and without millions of people who'd liked it, there'd be no ME 2. I bet there's many people who, like me, bought ME 2 exactly because they liked ME 1 so much and couldn't imagine ME 2 would be any worse. No more. Next time, I'll wait and see. If things don't change for the better, I won't bother. BioWare and EA might just be in for a surprise if they think the sales numbers of ME 2 are prove of their way being right.

It is.   It just means that they made a game you personally do not like.    

lol, exactly.
They made a game that a fan of ME didn't like, not exactly a good strategy, and as you well know the fan is not a solitary exception.

Newcomplex, you are such a riot. When I see you in a thread I just can't wait to read your posts.

[kiyyto]

Flash_in_the_flesh wrote...

kiyyto wrote...

The OP is right.
The game is just not very good when compared to ME; its shallow, short, and simple.

This ammount of arguments make a big contribution to this thread.

Let me be equally helpful and say: the game is much better compared to ME: it's fun, of better quality and with high replay value.

Maybe it's too detailed description.

Why does a response have to be elaborate?
It is sufficient to show support for the OP opinion.

Do you feel that your post is worthwhile because of your sarcasm, or because of the content?

[Flash_in_the_flesh]

kiyyto wrote...

Flash_in_the_flesh wrote...

Just please put your opinion in "IMO"brackets. Your post is aggressive and angry enough without it.

Why does the OP need to put his opinion in brackets?

Flash_in_the_flesh wrote...

Just please put your opinion in "IMO"brackets. Your post is aggressive and angry enough without it.

This forum is full of "sucks", "horrible", "awful", "that needs to be fixed!", "BioWare o rly?", "ME2 is not an RPG".

That's not a good way to discuss things. If you want BioWare's attention stick to the polite threads.

[rrqu]

 I love ME2 for the most part, but I have to agree with you about the new characters. I hate all of them, except Mordin (salarian pride) 

[kiyyto]

Jaysonie wrote...

Malecite00 wrote...

The general attitude I get is that this game has become so widely sensationalized that any negativity or suggestions about improving it are met with OPEN HOSTILITY or passively discarded.

Which to be honest gets you an experience like Modern Warfare 2. "we will swallow whatever trip the devs give us because the last title was so successful".

Where the hell have you been, every day there are atleast 15 threads criticizing Mass Effect 2. It gets old very fast.

Well, maybe there are 15 more people who wanted to say they didn't like the game. They have as much right to do so as you do when you come to all the critical threads just to say how crazy they are and how much you love it.

If you think they game is excellent then why did you come to a thread with the title, "game sucks" ?

[SithLordExarKun]

kiyyto wrote...


If you think they game is excellent then why did you come to a thread with the title, "game sucks" ?

To read their ridiculous rational of why the game sucks?

[kiyyto]

BLY78NOR wrote...

Malecite00 wrote...

You consider Bioware removing every actual element of character customization a "slight change"? The only thing your in control of is your armor, and yet the differences between pieces are so slight as to be almost pointless.

Compared to what, ME1? where everything is basically the same

Don't know how many more times that myth can be debunked at this point lol
Every component you add or take off in ME2 actaully has a function unlike ME1 where they where all slightly different variations of how many bullets you can sponge up before you die

That is pretty much the case in ME2. There isn't any real customization.
Shep's suit can change 15 different colors though, which is fine. 

Either way I'm not one to say that ME or ME2 is a great RPG, but it pissed me off that instead of making the armor/guns useful they instead junked the RPG elements that were there.

Also, all RPG's are basically the same in that different armor only modifies your health or attack. The customizations are there for immersion.