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[Gilded Age]

So, the only way to have happiness with Alistair is to be a noble human female and convince him to rule with you? What's the situation that makes it harder for everyone not human and/or noble? Does it have to do with Morrigan's demon spawn or is it something else?

[MordantWastrel]

I liked Alistair's character up until the Landsmeet. I'd 'arranged' for him to marry Anora (everybody wins!) but then when you duel Loghain, it doesn't work out; if Alistair duels Loghain he kills him, and if the PC duels Loghain and lets him live, you get a (very cool) option to conscript Loghain into the Gray Wardens rather than having him executed. Alistair throws a tantrum and walks off, which seems very un-Gray-Warden of him, particularly as it seems that the Wardens threw a tantrum when Duncan was Conscripted in 'The Calling' but had no choice in the matter.



So I'm now assaulting Denerim with Loghain in my party, and frankly I like him better than whiny Alistair, though it seemed a bit out of character for both of them. I still think it's a stretch to make Loghain out to be the bad guy for most of the game, but I understand him a lot better just with the handful of converstaions you can have with him once he's in your party.

[Jakia]

marais wrote...

slydfoxxy wrote...

And if you want to become queen in the end you have to be noble im guesing either dwarven of human cos when i picked the optio he said that couldnt happen cos i wasnt a noble (elf mage) so that sucks, i'll have to play through again to see if it works...

yikes!  please, please don't say this...i'm a city elf duelist rogue--it would kind of suck to not even be allowed a shot at the marginally happy ending just because i'm a commoner.    can anyone confirm this?   upthread i see someone saying they got the morrigan ending with her mage--i'm confused!

I think, and don't quote me on this one, that you can still have a happy romance with Alistair, you just can't become Queen, and don't encourage him to be King.  Give the crown to Anora and have Alistair impregnate Morrigan, and I think you two should be able to roam the countryside or whatnot if you'd like.

[marais]

Jakia wrote...

I think, and don't quote me on this one, that you can still have a happy romance with Alistair, you just can't become Queen, and don't encourage him to be King.  Give the crown to Anora and have Alistair impregnate Morrigan, and I think you two should be able to roam the countryside or whatnot if you'd like.

thanks jakia!  i've now gotten confirmation on this from two different players on two different boards.  since both of you are describing the same thing, but others still aren't seeing it, then i think that it's probably more a matter of the fact that this game likely has more branching paths than any other singler player RPG we've ever encountered.

[David Gaider]

marais wrote...
thanks jakia!  i've now gotten confirmation on this from two different players on two different boards.  since both of you are describing the same thing, but others still aren't seeing it, then i think that it's probably more a matter of the fact that this game likely has more branching paths than any other singler player RPG we've ever encountered.

There are indeed a huge number of variations on how the Landsmeet and the ending can play out. You are presented with some difficult (and some would say unpleasant choices), but that does not mean that happiness is impossible to find -- but it does mean there isn't likely to be much "and everything works out great for everyone!" going around. Considering the story that led up to it, offering up an easy choice and a sugary ending would have ultimately been more saccharine than satisfying.

Opinions on that may vary, of course, depending on what your personal requirements are, but I would advise anyone to make the choices that they believe their character would make and play through to the ending to see how it plays out and what effects their choices had.

[marais]

David Gaider wrote...

There are indeed a huge number of variations on how the Landsmeet and the ending can play out. You are presented with some difficult (and some would say unpleasant choices), but that does not mean that happiness is impossible to find -- but it does mean there isn't likely to be much "and everything works out great for everyone!" going around. Considering the story that led up to it, offering up an easy choice and a sugary ending would have ultimately been more saccharine than satisfying.

Opinions on that may vary, of course, depending on what your personal requirements are, but I would advise anyone to make the choices that they believe their character would make and play through to the ending to see how it plays out and what effects their choices had.

wow.  I feel insanely honored by this response.  you're my pretty much my favorite game writer in the world.

now that I've gotten that insane gushing out of the way, i'm glad this game forces you to make tough choices that have ramifications.  that's real and it's honest.  I don't want a happy squeaky clean ending with everyone singing and dancing in the streets, but if I can end it by roaming around with my pixelated beau, then  I'm good.

thanks to Mr. Gaider and to bioware for not forgetting about girl gamers--dragon age is my favorite yet in terms of story and romance, and this is coming from a long time fan who started out with NWN.

[MrGOH]

I had a good ending in almost every respect with my dwarven noble - he never loved Morrigan anyways, though he is disquieted at what Morrigan plans to do with the sproglet of a dead god and Flemeth's grimoires. He forced Alistair to marry Anora in good dwarven politicking style - they seemed to be effective together and not unhappy, though Alistair put up a big fuss when my PC proposed it and again after the Landmseet even though he had agreed to the arrangement. I even beheaded Loghain myself even though I wanted to spare him; I wanted to make sure the future king was happy and that Anora would still marry him (I assume if you make Alistair do it , which was my first impulse because he whined so much about why Loghain should die, Anora will not be a happy camper and will not marry Alistair). My PC then chilled out in Denerim with Alistair, Zevran and Oghren for a while. I wonder what the epilogue means when it says something to the effect that  the PC takes part in other, subsequent, major events in Thedas.

My current character, a female City Elf, is not fond of Alistair, so I suppose I'll miss the twists referenced in this thread.

Modifié par MrGOH, 07 novembre 2009 - 06:26 .

[hunharibo]

Hmm i dont get it guys. In my playthrough i was married to King Alistair and ruled beside him as Queen and we lived happily ever after in the epilogue. That is a nice ending i would say.

[MrGOH]

hunharibo wrote...

Hmm i dont get it guys. In my playthrough i was married to King Alistair and ruled beside him as Queen and we lived happily ever after in the epilogue. That is a nice ending i would say.

But he has a bastard child possessed by the spirit of a dead god (and possibly by the spirit of Morrigan at some point as well) running around - that sort of claimant to the Throne will no doubt be a hassle to one's children or grandchildren down the line.

[doriscrockford]

Alistair's story reminds me so much of King Arthur... you know, the bastard son of a king hidden away and all that, but also the possibility of a demon-spawn son (a la Mordred) gotten by a witch (Morrigan).



Poor Alistair--I sure hope his story has happier ending!

[Blessed Silence]

Ugh the confusion, the turmoil, the drama ...



It's like a fricking soap opera.



And to say just because a world is torn with war and there is no happy endings is a bunch of sod. So there.



Yes ... I am romancing Alistair with my Dalish Elf, but I'm playing it as I would. *grin*

[Nadijeh]

You can have a "happy-ish" ending as a female if you're a human noble and marry Alistair, thus becoming the Queen. But the part that is "unfair" about playing a female in the romance is that you're the one who gets "cheated" on. If you're a male you do the cheating and most would say that's not nearly as bad as being the one who gets cheated on by your boyfriend who impregnates the girl he cheated with, who also happens to be someone he hates, and then you have to live with it if you're gonna be with him. So to sum it all up your boyfriend cheats on you (albeit it is quite clear he doesn't like the idea of doing it, and is only doing it to save everyones life, apparently), impregnates someone he doesn't like, and then has a bastard demon child running around who in all probability is going to hunt down the children you have together later in life. But hey, your character gets him in the end.

As a male you go through the romance, you cheat, have a bastard child, move on, get married become the King and lalala etc.

Modifié par Jesira, 07 novembre 2009 - 08:24 .

[Arttis]

My ending went with forcing everyone to leave but dog and alistair as i did not know how to force them out

I had anora be queen and let loghain live while i executed alistair



my question is whats with after i struck my sword in the archdemon and killed it no one would hear of me again however then credits roll....boo what happened to me.

[marais]

MrGOH wrote...

But he has a bastard child possessed by the spirit of a dead god (and possibly by the spirit of Morrigan at some point as well) running around - that sort of claimant to the Throne will no doubt be a hassle to one's children or grandchildren down the line.

but what about those of us who live in the moment?  unless i'm missing something because I haven't yet finished the game, both alistair and the female PC are going to die anyhow because they drank the Blight, so they should have fun while they can.  /wicked grin

and if i say yeah, go for it, give morrigan her kid so we can romp?  clearly i can deal. 

look, my PC has standards.  i never said I did.


and good call upthread on the arthurian legend shoutout!

[Gilded Age]

imported_beer wrote...
That being said, I still can't shake the feeling that my PC lost everything and gained virtually nothing. It starts with losing the parents, then killing a hero who was ultimately acting in the best interests of the land, then preventing the throne from falling into the hands of someone I mistrusted by forcing someone I liked to take over, and then finally when my character says- the noble thing to do is die...that other situation happens.

My PC's life was a tragedy, and for all the terrible price she paid, I don't see what she got.

That's really only one path, that you chose.  Why not mix it up next time?  Support Anora and then go frolic with Alistair in the countryside somewhere.  Just because there's trouble on the very distant horizon doesn't mean that it's a bad ending.   

And, really - I think the ending, sort of bittersweet-ish even in the best circumstances, fits the tone of the game well.  If it had been all "dark, gritty and mature" all the way through and then suddenly at the end, BAM rainbows and kittens...  I think that would have been disingenious.  So, it's a Happily-Ever-After-For-Now.  Not bad, when you look at it that way, right?

[Gilded Age]

imported_beer wrote...



Did you miss the part where I said the ending does make sense in the context of the tone of the game? I did say that you know.

That being said- I disgaree. Alistair is just a  part of why I felt frustrated with the ending- so I don't see how it changes anything if I managed to floric with him somewhere.

No, I didn't miss anything you said. 

I was only saying what *I* thought about the ending, personally, and trying to help you look on the bright side.  I thought the thrust of why you were so dissatisfied with the ending was Alistair's romance resolution, for whatever reason; hence why I suggested the frolicking. 

Modifié par Gilded Age, 07 novembre 2009 - 11:50 .

[BazookaDre]

I romanced Alistair with my rogue city elf, chose Anora to be Queen to avoid losing him after the Landsmeet. It made sense, but what I am annoyed with is that no matter what I do at the end when confronting the Archdemon, he won't let me killed it myself ( I chose not to go with Morrigan's plan). Did I screw up somewhere, or is there simply no way for me to sacrifice myself at the end if in romance with Alistair?

Modifié par BazookaDre, 07 novembre 2009 - 11:48 .

[David Gaider]

BazookaDre wrote...
I romanced Alistair with my rogue city elf, chose Anora to be Queen to avoid losing him after the Landsmeet. It made sense, but what I am annoyed with is that no matter what I do at the end when confronting the Archdemon, he won't let me killed it myself ( I chose not to go with Morrigan's plan). Did I screw up somewhere, or is there simply no way for me to sacrifice myself at the end if in romance with Alistair?

If you expect him to let his lady-love sacrifice herself, then you don't know Alistair very well.

The only way to do it is to not take him with you to fight the Archdemon.

[BazookaDre]

Very true. I was thinking there might have been a way to fool him actually...like suddenly burst out running for the blade..or something, because in turn, my character would know him enough to know he wouldn't willingly let you sacrifice yourself. Ah well, I won't take him to fight the archdemon. Thanks Mr Gaider.

[Corephyfish]

oh oh im playing a female dwarven noble atm, just started, im only speculating but I reckon you should be able to become the dwarven ruler when it comes to making that descision down the line because of some circumstances in the story, i wont wreck it for those who arent there yet but I AM the kings daughter, and if you can marry alistar and become queen why no become the grey warden dwarven queen?



Just a thought will have to see what happens but if not i'll just sacrifice myself in the end



oh and sorry or off topic rant lol.