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[Zakumilos]

It seems as if none of the female gamers picked Zevran.... lol

[Nadijeh]

Zakumilos wrote...

It seems as if none of the female gamers picked Zevran.... lol

Ya. He = ew.

[marais]

I thought Zev's accent did him in. Out of the two choices I thought he was less appealing than Alistair, for that and the fact that Zev is all about the quick in out in out, while Alistair is the long haul guy.



Plus, for me? Zev is filled with Narm. Can't deal.



Back to Alistair after the Landsmeet--I'm almost there and waiting to see how it will all play out given my previous choices in the game.

[Wissenschaft]

Come on, take morrigan little deal at the end. Sure, its evil but mwhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.

[chiliztri]

Ehh, why have Zevran when you can have a near tragic and heartwrenching romance with Alistair?

Back to the topic on hand...

I have to say I was completely and genuinely surprised at how everything with Alistair can conclude. By surprised I truly mean it. I was completely floored and for the life of me I never saw it coming, and that is no small feat.

I decided to let Morrigan have her demonspawn child. This decision left a bitter taste in my mouth, not to mention the price and eventual consequences of this. I almost regret romancing Alistair, because I was expecting a generally *happy* ending(Because of his disposition), but I'm glad Mr. Gaider made the choices difficult and emotionally toiling no matter what you decided to do. I always find these tragic types of endings the most fulfilling, despite the hollow and disgruntled feeling they leave in their wake, because they do break away from the cliche that everyone ends up content and happy lives.

It was most definitely an emotional rollercoaster for me after the Landsmeet, especially since I originally made Alistair king so he broke up with me. Emotional rollercoaster indeed.

Modifié par chiliztri, 08 novembre 2009 - 07:08 .

[Wissenschaft]

But you see, real life major characters of history pretty much never have happy ever after endings. I have to say this is one of the first games to make such a realistic ending. Lifes to complicated to end perfectly.

[chiliztri]

I definitely agree with that. I disliked the extremely difficult decision you had to make, but that made it all the more emotional and touching. What is gaining something without losing something? It makes it all the more worth it that you had to give something up in order to gain it.

[Verloren03]

When do you get this option to let Morrigan have his baby?? During the landsmeet?

[chiliztri]

No, after the Landsmeet, the night before you go to defeat the Blight and the Archdemon.

[Verloren03]

chiliztri wrote...

No, after the Landsmeet, the night before you go to defeat the Blight and the Archdemon.

Aha...so I should make him king and let him dump me...then go through with Morrigan's plan if I want my city elf to be queen?

[chiliztri]

Verloren03 wrote...

chiliztri wrote...

No, after the Landsmeet, the night before you go to defeat the Blight and the Archdemon.

Aha...so I should make him king and let him dump me...then go through with Morrigan's plan if I want my city elf to be queen?

The only way to become Queen is if you have a human noble character. If you try to be Queen without a noble, Ali will tell you that the Landsmeet won't agree with letting someone who isn't a noble Queen and then proceed to dump you. At least that's what I've read in this topic. I haven't tried playing a noble yet.

Modifié par chiliztri, 08 novembre 2009 - 07:14 .

[Verloren03]

chiliztri wrote...

Verloren03 wrote...

chiliztri wrote...

No, after the Landsmeet, the night before you go to defeat the Blight and the Archdemon.

Aha...so I should make him king and let him dump me...then go through with Morrigan's plan if I want my city elf to be queen?

The only way to become Queen is if you have a human noble character. If you try to be Queen without a noble, Ali will tell you that the Landsmeet won't agree with letting someone who isn't a noble Queen and then proceed to dump you. At least that's what I've read in this topic. I haven't tried playing a noble yet.

Huh, thats odd. I saw this in the bioware dragonage forums, which is why I am curious in the first place
"I was a city elf and I had a VERY Happy ending. Even got equal rights for elves.

And
since this is a spoiler, Alistair wanted to make me Bann (whatever,
that noble title) of the Alienage, a voice for the elves in the
landmeet. You can pass it down to Shiani if you want.
"

[chiliztri]

Verloren03 wrote...

Huh, thats odd. I saw this in the bioware dragonage forums, which is why I am curious in the first place
"I was a city elf and I had a VERY Happy ending. Even got equal rights for elves.

And
since this is a spoiler, Alistair wanted to make me Bann (whatever,
that noble title) of the Alienage, a voice for the elves in the
landmeet. You can pass it down to Shiani if you want.
"

Did the OP of that statement elaborate on any romance with Ali? I was under the impression from this topic that if your noble you can be Queen, otherwise you can let Anora be Queen and go off with Alistair.

[Verloren03]

No, unfortunately I asked for elaboration on how she achieved this but no answer so far.

[MightySword]

Wow, I caught the ending with Morrigan on another forum and I was like: hoho, for the first time ever the lady fans finally have a better share than the gentlemen. And in case someone misunderstand I genuinely mean it, since IMO female characters have always get the short end on the romance side in Bioware games. But this topic seems to indicates it just that one side is sent to hang while the others condemn to drown heh? Well female fans if it makes you feel better, your grave won't be as cold this time around


Well to be perfectly honest I'm a sucker for a happy ending, and from this thread it seems there are ways to get different happy endings from different respectives instead of a perfect ending. I think it's more like you have to choose who will be happy and not everyone happy. Can't say for sure if I like it since I haven't seen anything yet (I thought I played a lot, but seem I'm still behind), it sounds ... intriguing though.


As for my choice ... I guess I'll dump Lianna and go with Arona this time. I'm a human noble on this play and AFAIK this ending option only available for this origin, so jsut as well make the best out of it since I dont plan to play this original again. Sorry Lianna, I promist we'll chase after our dream when I'm a mage or an elf .


Plus I don't want Alistair to suffer either, I kinda like him and we're truly brother in arms in my game (I'm the shield and he's the sword setup) so I don't really want to force the tittle down his throat.

[AHound]

Verloren03 wrote...

No, unfortunately I asked for elaboration on how she achieved this but no answer so far.

It is indeed possible to get this ending.  There are, however, some bittersweet decisions to make along the way. (As with pretty much the entirety of the game)  If you're romancing Alistair and not a human noble, you can indeed run away with him after getting rights for the elves and all that.  Let's just say it involves the chopping off of a head, the choice of a specific ruler, and demonbabylovespawn.

[EnolaFay13]

OK, so here's where I call shenanigans (spoilers, obviously):



My PC is a Dalish elf with REALLY maxed persuasion. I got a conversation at some point in amp about Alistair being king and asked if it would matter that I was an elf and Alistair was like "No way baby, I love you foreva'" But, of course, at the Landsmeet, when I tried to persuade him to make me queen he said no and broke up with me. SHENANIGANS. If he had told me that being king precludes our being together, I'd have given it to Anora (and did, on the reload, heh).



My looooong question is: Is it possible for a Dalish Elf to pass that persuade roll? I'm thinking no.

[AHound]

I am under the general belief that the only way to pass that particular Persuasion check is if you are a Human Female Noble.

[TheWorldAsunder]

AHound wrote...

I am under the general belief that the only way to pass that particular Persuasion check is if you are a Human Female Noble.

This is correct, you can only pass and become queen if you are a human noble female.

HOWEVER, you can still stay with Alistair if you chose for him to become king.  You just have to make sure that you've changed him during his personal quest and got him to say he'd start looking out for himself.  

This gives you an extra persuasion check in the conversation that he attempts to dump you in; where you can convince him to stay with you.  But he won't propose or anything.  Marriage with a non-noble female is out of the question.  Even with being a noble female- if you pass up on the first persuasion to become queen, you don't get it back, and just become the king's lover. 

Modifié par TheWorldAsunder, 11 novembre 2009 - 08:29 .

[kaispan]

So I guess those of us that got dumped by King Alistair and were nice to him on his personal quest will stay dumped, eh? I don't think I have any saves that far back! D:

[SpideyKnight]

Jesira wrote...

You can have a "happy-ish" ending as a female if you're a human noble and marry Alistair, thus becoming the Queen. But the part that is "unfair" about playing a female in the romance is that you're the one who gets "cheated" on. If you're a male you do the cheating and most would say that's not nearly as bad as being the one who gets cheated on by your boyfriend who impregnates the girl he cheated with, who also happens to be someone he hates, and then you have to live with it if you're gonna be with him. So to sum it all up your boyfriend cheats on you (albeit it is quite clear he doesn't like the idea of doing it, and is only doing it to save everyones life, apparently), impregnates someone he doesn't like, and then has a bastard demon child running around who in all probability is going to hunt down the children you have together later in life. But hey, your character gets him in the end.

As a male you go through the romance, you cheat, have a bastard child, move on, get married become the King and lalala etc.

You can, or do, get "married" as a man, but is it really better you think?  What happiness is there to be found in being married to a woman who doesn't love you?  Who only married you to keep herself in power.  And what of Leliana in all this?  If you choose her you definetely don't become a King.  Don't think it's all peaches and cream on the male side.  Remember that no matter what you do, Morrigan will not stay.  You at least have options with your romances as a female, all of them.  With Morrigan we have none, zero.  The grass isn't always greener.

[TheWorldAsunder]

I have to agree on the male side; The females have the only real happy ending that leaves them a ruler.



Females-

Sure, Alistair cheats on you. But you made the conscious decision to have him do so. He even expresses that he doesn't want to, and makes triple sure that it's alright with you. Then, he sticks with you right after. If you choose to marry him, you can as a human noble and eventually you're both frolicing in the flowers happily all across Ferelden with the people happy under your rule, hooray.



Males-

You cheat on whoever you picked, you make the conscious decision to; blahblahblah-

If you were romancing Morrigan, it's not cheating, but she leaves never to return.

If you wanted to become ruler, you're locked in a loveless marriage with some on the side lover.



Hmm, I'd say the females have it better in this case. I mean, the female PCs kinda are Alistair's first time. Not only that, but it's made painfully clear the cheating is solely for survival's sake.



As far as Kaispan's question-



Yep, seems so. Those that aren't nobles and want him to be king need to have been somewhat firm with him at some point. However, I think it agrees with his character. If you didn't convince him to look out for himself, of course he'd be pressured into doing whatever the people expect of him. After all, he's more of a follower. The people want an heir, he knows you can't have one and he doesn't want to have to have a wife and on the side lover; essentially cheating on both.

[Tamcia]

After the queen betrayed me in landsmeet, I chose Alistair as King, and he had her locked in a tower From ending, he ended as a good king, that was loved by common people etc.

[Sable Rhapsody]

Ooo. Yuck. I read this thread and am now slightly regretting it, since my human mage is madly in love with Alistair.



Then again, it wouldn't really have changed my choices. My mage would never want the burden of being Queen, and since Alistair has shown no indication of wanting to become king, she wouldn't push him to do that either. There's just Morrigan to decide...