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[Berym_temp]

I wonder if a human noble can choose to marry Anora... not that you'd want to, she's annoying, but still.



In my two endings thus far Alistair sacrificed himself once and I sacrificed myself once.



The the latter he, married to Anora, becomes a good king, loved by the people, while Anora does all the politics stuff.

[Taerda]

imported_beer wrote...

It was awfully kind of you to try to cheer me up by offering alternative views and quest paths. But, as I said, Alistair is just a small part of it. The entire game- the way it ended up for my PC. I felt awfully sorry for her.

And that kind of affects replayability...so..well..we'll see.

I understand where you are comming from, because on a first play-through of any game, or first reading of a story, I always try to bond with the character most like myself (and in RPG-types of games try to RP as if it were me) .. With this wonderful story, as soon as I found out Alistair was the Royal Bastard, I immediately said to myself: Well this means I'm Gweneviere ... and then everything fell into place as the story unfolded.

It is true, Alistair is sort of more a Sir Gawain, then an Arthur, but the roles being played out were just echoing through my mind as if Avalon were the setting instead of Feraldain(sp).

I guess that is what will provide me the replayability ... seeing just how much I can mix the tales of Gweneviere and my PC together with other tragic heroines I love.

[jeckaldied]

I have a quick question, is it possible to get morrigan to sleep with alistair after the landsmeet if your a guy? I mean, if your romancing leliana, and alistair isn't romancing anyone...everyone gets to be faithful, and alistair gets to "lick a lamp post in winter"

[LdyShayna]

Zakumilos wrote...

It seems as if none of the female gamers picked Zevran.... lol

By the time I could even get Zevran in my party, my character was already deeply smitten with Alistair.  I actually went out of my way to shut down the romance tract with Zevran early, though this seems to have cut off almost all dialog with him after that. 

I did have him like me enough that he didn't betray me, and hung around out of friendship after he was freed from the Crows.  I'll try romancing him if I go ahead with a second play through with my elven mage, as I had planned. 

Right now, though, I'm dreading ending my current play through with my human noble romancing Alistair.  I'm having trouble psyching myself up to make the decisions that need to be made, so it's brought me to a halt in playing.  Ironically, she won't accept being queen for many reasons, even though this is the only origin that might rule at Alistair's side. 

[kaispan]

Yeah, I'm rolling a human noble for the sole purpose of trying the queen ending. I feel sort of silly to run the same romance twice in a row (identical up til the end) but at the same time, I can't imagine romancing Zevran ...and I don't really want to try a male PC yet.

I was wondering though... would Alistair still sacrifice himself if you were not romancing him and had pretty low rep?

[LeandraNyx]

The Landsmeet event totally broke my heart. I tried it a couple different ways -- in one I decided to spare Loghain, only to have Alistair get so pissed that he ran off! Then I made Alistair king, only to have him dump me right afterwards because I'm not nobility and can't bear a child for him. Finally I settled on making Anora queen, and letting Alistair be my champion and kill Loghain, so I have him in my party still and we're still together as far as I can tell... but the whole thing just left me feeling depressed. :-/ Reading through this thread has left me dreading the events to come as well. Next time I play through I'll be a human noble, so that I can be queen alongside him -- though it sounds like I'll need to make a deal with the devil (Morrigan) to be happy in that version. I suppose it says something about the quality of the game though that the story has me so emotionally involved!

[RazorrX]

Verloren03 wrote...

No, unfortunately I asked for elaboration on how she achieved this but no answer so far.

Only human nobility can hold the throne.

BUT if you play a city elf you CAN effect the outcome of your people in a very positive way. 

*IF* you have hells child and doom the world to a fate worse than the blight to save your skin  - you can become the Bann of the Alienage (male or female) and the Elves finally get rights and a voice in the landsmeet.  If you are female you can stay on as Alistars lover, but will never be queen.

*IF* you do the right thing and sacrifice yourself ("In death, Sacrifice") your father becomes the first Bann and later passes it on to Shiani.

[Elwoodw]

Damn, why did I read this thread?

[Jakia]

I have made a guide for people who want to know how to get the ending I got:



http://social.biowar...47/index/162042

[Patriciachr34]

Yeah, you have to be a noble to become queen. So, let Anora take the throne, let Morrigan bed Alistair, and then you both get to have a happily ever after in love.

[PDXGamerGirl]

I think I just want to run away with him, even though I'm a human noble. I'm going to try endorsing Anora for queen, I think, and then accepting Morrigan's offer later so we can travel the countryside together.

[bobsmyuncle]

I'm not sure why everyone wants Alistair to be king. I'm very fond of the big goof but I still agreed with Anora's political assessment. I was perfectly aware that our relationship was an alliance of convenience so I avoided putting her in a difficult position and never talked up Alistair's lineage. Honestly I think Arl Eamon's affection for both Maric and Alistair was coloring his political perception.

Anyway, what got me in a twist about the ending is that not killing the archdemon seems like gross dereliction of duty. I'm trying to tell myself that it's more like cleansing the old god, which my mage has no real big problem with since she's not very attached to Andraste or the Maker. However, as a grey warden she can't help but view letting an old god go free as permitting another Blight to occur rather than ending it right now. Moreover, you have to fudge the truth for Alistair to go along with Morrigan's plan which doesn't sit well with her. Oh well, "I give in to sin/Because you have to make this life livable" v:innocent:v

Maybe we can honeymoon in the Deep Roads and then I'll feel like I'm doing my Wardenly duty.

[PDXGamerGirl]

I do have to say that it's pretty amazing, the emotional investment many of us have in the game and in this outcome.



For instance, most people usually refuse to play a game again because it was too buggy, too short, or didn't have enough positive elements to keep them hooked.



Refusing to replay a game because it took too much out of you emotionally or hit too close to home emotionally? Sorry, but that's just freaking amazing work in my book.

[LdyShayna]

PDXGamerGirl wrote...

Refusing to replay a game because it took too much out of you emotionally or hit too close to home emotionally? Sorry, but that's just freaking amazing work in my book.

Amazing?  I suppose.  I hope you'll understand if I find it difficult to be happy about not wanting to finish a game I have been looking forward to for so long, though.

[LeandraNyx]

Now that I've finished the game, I'm so sad. I couldn't in good conscience accept Morrigan's offer to make a demon baby, and Alistair wouldn't allow me to make the killing blow on the archdemon. None of my traveling companions even offered me condolences on the loss of the man I loved. :-( There should've been a cut-scene funeral for him or something. *weep*

[Maria Caliban]

JEBesh wrote...

In my playthrough, he ended up as a bitter drunk with no friends. I almost felt bad.

He abandoned Ferelden to the Blight. That's about what he deserves.

[Wendy_O]

Only way for a commoner or an elf to marry Alistair is to 'toughen' him up. I think there are about 2 conversations where you can toughen him - one is after meeting his sister in Denerim and the other I have been led to believe is on the Urn of Sacred Ashes quest. If you haven't toughened him up you just get this awful speach about him having to produce an heir and how he loves you but ..... However this only happens if you choose him to be king.



Needless to say I didn't like the doublecrossing Anora and so I got dumped by Alastair and ending up throwing my life away at the end. Tragic!!



Next play through I will be a human noble and not have these issues I hope!!

[JabberJaww]

Come on girls... thats what happens when you pick a pretty boy like Alistair.

[Kyra27]

One question? How do you get that talk some of you mentioned ("I'll never leave you...") with Alistair?



I did have him at 100 before the Landsmeet, but I didn't get that talk. Does it have anything to do with the option to ask him 'Where do you see this going between us?"??? Do you have to visit the camp before the Landsmeet to get it?

[DeathWyrmNexus]

Mary Kirby wrote...

imported_beer wrote...

I hear you. The most adorable male romanceable ever provided, and such a tragic one.

If you are a guy, however- you can avoid 90% of the bad things. And yet be King.

Which 90% are those?  Morrigan dumps your sorry butt no matter what you choose.  If you're romancing Leliana, you have to cheat on her to survive.  Same with Zevran.  And you can have a loveless marriage with Anora.  So, yeah, that's great if you're playing a jerk.   Nice guys don't get any happier endings than the nice girls do.

Thank you, thank you. I Detest all the "Lulz Woe is Wimmins!!!"

Ladies, you can keep Alistair and should be happy about it. Nobody can keep Morrigan and even Leliana had the epilogue of "she stays... for a time."

So pity... I has none. Dark Fantasy might actually be Dark...

[barryl89]

I sent alistair to the booze, crowned anora, recruited logain, inpregnated morrigan. After that I vowed to track her down, after becoming a Teryn, ensuring the funds to hire a sufficient expeditionary force. That was my characters selfish reasoning. Me, I'd have liked to kick back with the Qunari.

[Cyberpunk]

DeathWyrmNexus wrote...

Mary Kirby wrote...

imported_beer wrote...

I hear you. The most adorable male romanceable ever provided, and such a tragic one.

If you are a guy, however- you can avoid 90% of the bad things. And yet be King.

Which 90% are those?  Morrigan dumps your sorry butt no matter what you choose.  If you're romancing Leliana, you have to cheat on her to survive.  Same with Zevran.  And you can have a loveless marriage with Anora.  So, yeah, that's great if you're playing a jerk.   Nice guys don't get any happier endings than the nice girls do.

Thank you, thank you. I Detest all the "Lulz Woe is Wimmins!!!"

Ladies, you can keep Alistair and should be happy about it. Nobody can keep Morrigan and even Leliana had the epilogue of "she stays... for a time."

So pity... I has none. Dark Fantasy might actually be Dark...

If I'm correct that meant that you guys adventured...at least for a time. Which means you adventured for a time. Leliana still stays but you simply stop adventuring and go do something else. Like the darkspawn threat.

[Xandurpein]

Why do women assume that all men thinks it is no big deal to cheat on their love? If I truly loved Leliana I would never be able to go through Morrigan's deal and not tell Leliana the whole story, possibly ruining our relationship in the process. (Sooo... she forced you big guy!)

Women at least get the chance to get both the crown and the man she romanced the entire game.

Modifié par Xandurpein, 08 décembre 2009 - 11:25 .

[Yorleen]

My first playthough is with an elven mage, she's quite alike to myself in behaviour, reasonning and heart... I didn't harden Alistair after the meeting with his sister (how could I have been harsh in my words after he was already wounded by his sister's?) and being king is the last thing he wants... So we're going to be a bit selfish and let Anora have the throne (though from what my boyfriend said, she isn't really someone to be trusted...) so that we can stay together... After all, we've spent more than a year fighting the Darkspawns, helping people, we need to get our little bit of happiness.

I had very hard feelings concerning Morrigan's ritual basically but I gave it a second-thought... Alistair isn't attracted at all by her, she's also a friend to my PC, so I bet that eases the things a little... The choice isn't nice but it's not really cheating since the PC knows about it, she asks Alistair to do it after all... + some very nicely written fanfictions make the whole thing easier as well (Check sapphyreelf's work on my group).



I'll try another play as a human noble so that I can rule next to a hardened Alistair, but that won't totally be me, I don't like politics at all. I just wish there would be another optional sentence, less harsh, to tell Alistair to harden him - there are other ways to explain things in a more friendly way.



Anyway, thanks mister Gaider for creating this wonderful character...

[Sabriana]

My play-through as a human noble rogue is done. She never romanced Alistair, she went for Zevran, but had a very high friendship with Alistair.



The Morrigan deal was vexing though, and my girl had a lot of thinking to do. I mean, putting the essence of a dead god into a fetus...., well, who knows what can become of that. However, Alistair should be able to live, and my pc-girl wanted to live as well, to be with the love of her life, Zevran.



But I was thinking, my pc-girl had a very high friendship rating with Morrigan, and she assured her that the baby wasn't going to be 'infected' with the taint, just the essence of what that god once was. I don't know, but considering the high friendship rating between my pc and Morrigan, why not believe her assurances? Aside from that, Morrigan was always honest, often brutally so.



I think I'll put off thinking that the baby will necessarily be evil. There are other outcomes, after all.