Allistair is a nice guy, but without hardening him, he isn't kingly material.
I chose to let Anora be queen and then Allistair and I stayed together without all that unecissary politcal crap. Besides, as Warden's don't we only get like 30 years to live after the ritual?
As for Morrigain, I justified his "ahem" transgression by going to the pearl and having a little action myself. Allistair only got -1 approval (quickly reversed by giving him one of his beloved action-figures) and therefore when the Morrigain option came around I did not feel oh so bad as I would have. (Besides I took Allistairs V-card, he could use a little practice).
Also during the cut scene (at least for me) when Allistair and Morrigain get down to business, he looks quite frightened and continually backs up on the bed away from her. I cannot imagine he enjoyed it that much, and his comments afterward described the whole things as quite creepy and unpleasant. No harm done imo. (If you don't count the whole "old god" thing and what will be Flemeths and Morrigains revenge in the sequel)
Now, lets get working on the DLC that will include the Ferelden National Sperm Bank where Allistair can just jack off in a cup and give THAT to Morrigain instead.
Alastair - After Landsmeet
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#102
Posté 08 décembre 2009 - 04:49
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Alurie9 wrote...
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As for Morrigain, I justified his "ahem" transgression by going to the pearl and having a little action myself. Allistair only got -1 approval (quickly reversed by giving him one of his beloved action-figures) and therefore when the Morrigain option came around I did not feel oh so bad as I would have. (Besides I took Allistairs V-card, he could use a little practice).
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Now, lets get working on the DLC that will include the Ferelden National Sperm Bank where Allistair can just jack off in a cup and give THAT to Morrigain instead.
That's hilarious. Especially the last bit.
#103
Posté 08 décembre 2009 - 06:41
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Alurie9 wrote...
Ferelden National Sperm Bank
Nice one lol !And I think no one had shared the idea of taking a "revenge" at the Pearl yet.
...Not that my character would do it but it made me laugh imagining the situation : "Good boy, you did your job! Now I'll sleep wiith someone else too so that we're equal again" 
lol
#104
Posté 08 décembre 2009 - 06:45
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Yorleen wrote...
Alurie9 wrote...
Ferelden National Sperm Bank
And I think no one had shared the idea of taking a "revenge" at the Pearl yet.
My character could never justify that since she's pretty much like "Hey, honey... You know I love you, right? Do you love me too? You do? How sweet! There's one itty, bitty, tiny thing you could do to really prove it... Sleep with Morrigan, please."
#105
Posté 08 décembre 2009 - 06:49
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Mine neither. 
Was imagining this from a totally different character's perspective.
Was imagining this from a totally different character's perspective.
#106
Posté 09 décembre 2009 - 02:01
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I never consider, even with a human noble, making Alistair king and becoming queen the "happy" ending. For starters, I've said this before, if a person loves Alistair, then why would they force him into a position that pretty much breaks him? Of course he will dump you afterwords, he has no real choice (unless you harden him up).
He states numerous times in game he absolutely does NOT want to become king, dreads the idea, and states several times that being a grey warden and "nobody" was the happiest time of his life. So what other reaction would you expect, then, since you forced him to be king? He even states, during one of the personal talks, that he isn't sure what will become of your relationship, that although he doesn't want to end it, if he ends up king, he will have to do his duty.
I think much frustration could be avoided if you actually really LISTEN to Alistair during your travels. It's clear, that if his happieness is truly more important than your own, than Anora is your best bet in preserving Alistair's fragile state of bliss. So what if she is a coniving, cunning witch who stabs you in the back to get her own way? She is still a very capable ruler. Even Alistair insists she should keep the throne, she works fine as queen.
I hear it's different if you toughen him up. I am playing through again with a toughened Alistair to see exactly how it affects him and the game, and what difference it makes. I hear if you do that, then a non human noble can at least end up being his fling on the side if he becomes king.
But overall, your best bet is to keep him off the throne.
As far as Morrigan goes, my problem there was simply having to coerce Alistair into doing the deed, not the act itself. It's hardly called cheating, seeing how you basically persuaded or bullied him into it, and it's quite clear it is not something he would do of his own voilition, given the choice. He does it because you ask him to. And that's the hard part, because it's clear he is really revolted by the idea. Making him do something he finds so horrible is alot harder.
But in the end, it's better for both.
He states numerous times in game he absolutely does NOT want to become king, dreads the idea, and states several times that being a grey warden and "nobody" was the happiest time of his life. So what other reaction would you expect, then, since you forced him to be king? He even states, during one of the personal talks, that he isn't sure what will become of your relationship, that although he doesn't want to end it, if he ends up king, he will have to do his duty.
I think much frustration could be avoided if you actually really LISTEN to Alistair during your travels. It's clear, that if his happieness is truly more important than your own, than Anora is your best bet in preserving Alistair's fragile state of bliss. So what if she is a coniving, cunning witch who stabs you in the back to get her own way? She is still a very capable ruler. Even Alistair insists she should keep the throne, she works fine as queen.
I hear it's different if you toughen him up. I am playing through again with a toughened Alistair to see exactly how it affects him and the game, and what difference it makes. I hear if you do that, then a non human noble can at least end up being his fling on the side if he becomes king.
But overall, your best bet is to keep him off the throne.
As far as Morrigan goes, my problem there was simply having to coerce Alistair into doing the deed, not the act itself. It's hardly called cheating, seeing how you basically persuaded or bullied him into it, and it's quite clear it is not something he would do of his own voilition, given the choice. He does it because you ask him to. And that's the hard part, because it's clear he is really revolted by the idea. Making him do something he finds so horrible is alot harder.
But in the end, it's better for both.
#107
Posté 09 décembre 2009 - 02:04
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Sometimes the best leaders are those who do not seek out the office but have it thrust upon them because they are worthy, whether they realize it or not.
#108
Posté 09 décembre 2009 - 02:18
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If they have the capabilities, yes. However, in game, it is made clear that, while having good morals and compassion, Alistair lacks the capability and capacity to be a leader. To be a good leader, you must have a strong will, broad perspective, a sharp, decisive mind that is ready to make hard choices, and the wisdom to temper everything. Alistair does not have these qualities, and is too easily influenced, and willing to bend to others will.
A good leader, willing or not, does not.
A good leader, willing or not, does not.
#109
Posté 09 décembre 2009 - 02:40
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I've just finished as a human noble with Alistair hardened. He actually does change his mind and state something along the lines that, while he would have run for the hills before at the idea, now he believes he can be a good ruler.
With me as his queen, our epilogue had him surprising everyone by studying governance and keeping in 'touch' with the common people by nicking down to a pub every now and then. But otherwise ruling quite happily and apparently well together. In point of fact, Hardened Alistair actually lost me rep points when I initially said I was going to support Anora over him.
Hardened Alistair: can be a good King with your noble female pc, or with Anora and if you have high enough persuasion? possibly with your non noble human female as Chancellor? and mistress.
Un hardened Alistair: Think your only happy ending may be giving Anora the crown and riding off into the sunset with him. He wont keep you around as his lover if you marry him of to Anora thats for sure.
With me as his queen, our epilogue had him surprising everyone by studying governance and keeping in 'touch' with the common people by nicking down to a pub every now and then. But otherwise ruling quite happily and apparently well together. In point of fact, Hardened Alistair actually lost me rep points when I initially said I was going to support Anora over him.
Hardened Alistair: can be a good King with your noble female pc, or with Anora and if you have high enough persuasion? possibly with your non noble human female as Chancellor? and mistress.
Un hardened Alistair: Think your only happy ending may be giving Anora the crown and riding off into the sunset with him. He wont keep you around as his lover if you marry him of to Anora thats for sure.
#110
Posté 09 décembre 2009 - 04:36
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Someone mentioned it in thread, but just to clarify: it's not only Lei who has the iffy epilogue, Zev has one as well- '[and they] traveled with the Warden, at least for a time' or something of that sort. Morrigan runs off in to the sunset, and as this thread proves, Alistair and a happy ending is not possible for some people (as it involves the deal with Morrigan).
If you're romancing Morg, or are a female romancing Zev or Lei (or no one), the 'cheating' thing doesn't come up- but there's still the moral issues to worry about. Is it 'right'/'good'? Probably not. Does it matter? I guess we'll see, huh?
I enjoyed the ending. I thought it fit with the game. If the game had ended with no worries about who should rule the country, with no deals with the devil, with no moral decisions on the sparing or taking of life, with no sacrifice... I think it would seem like a cop-out. 'Oh, yes, Ridoen died. Definitely a pity, that. Yup. Okay, Morrigan and Alistair and Sten and Lei and Zev and Wynne and Ohgran and Shale and Dog, let's go ride out for our next adventure while the wise and very morally sound Anora rules and Loghain turns out to have been mind controlled all along and is now working out his redemption with volunteer work after a forgiving hug from Ali, here! Wee!' And people are going to say that's exaggerated, and that's true. But even the more 'oh, woe' of 'Well, we saved the world together but now everyone is going to split off to go on their own adventures and we probably won't see each other for quite a while, sadness
' would seem a bit cold.
We knew sacrifice had a place in the game from the Gray Warden Oath. It doesn't have to be life. You might sacrifice friendship for morals (or expediency, or curiosity) or morals for friendship when it comes to the Ali versus Loghain, just like you might sacrifice friendship for assurance by putting him on the throne to have it securely in the hands of one you trusted against his will- or maybe the opposite, putting the country ahead of your trust in him by assuming him too weak if he does want the throne (which he might, when Hardened). You sacrifice your love for your love of her, with Morrigan (admittedly, this one you sort of have to do- if there was an option to try to force her to stay and bind her to you, even if she escaped from it, I think it would have more meaning). Then there's the situation with the baby...
Ah, it was bittersweet. But I like bittersweet.
If you're romancing Morg, or are a female romancing Zev or Lei (or no one), the 'cheating' thing doesn't come up- but there's still the moral issues to worry about. Is it 'right'/'good'? Probably not. Does it matter? I guess we'll see, huh?
I enjoyed the ending. I thought it fit with the game. If the game had ended with no worries about who should rule the country, with no deals with the devil, with no moral decisions on the sparing or taking of life, with no sacrifice... I think it would seem like a cop-out. 'Oh, yes, Ridoen died. Definitely a pity, that. Yup. Okay, Morrigan and Alistair and Sten and Lei and Zev and Wynne and Ohgran and Shale and Dog, let's go ride out for our next adventure while the wise and very morally sound Anora rules and Loghain turns out to have been mind controlled all along and is now working out his redemption with volunteer work after a forgiving hug from Ali, here! Wee!' And people are going to say that's exaggerated, and that's true. But even the more 'oh, woe' of 'Well, we saved the world together but now everyone is going to split off to go on their own adventures and we probably won't see each other for quite a while, sadness
' would seem a bit cold.We knew sacrifice had a place in the game from the Gray Warden Oath. It doesn't have to be life. You might sacrifice friendship for morals (or expediency, or curiosity) or morals for friendship when it comes to the Ali versus Loghain, just like you might sacrifice friendship for assurance by putting him on the throne to have it securely in the hands of one you trusted against his will- or maybe the opposite, putting the country ahead of your trust in him by assuming him too weak if he does want the throne (which he might, when Hardened). You sacrifice your love for your love of her, with Morrigan (admittedly, this one you sort of have to do- if there was an option to try to force her to stay and bind her to you, even if she escaped from it, I think it would have more meaning). Then there's the situation with the baby...
Ah, it was bittersweet. But I like bittersweet.
#111
Posté 09 décembre 2009 - 05:07
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I didnt Harden Alistair and was still, princess- consort at the end.
Think I was at the love level with him, and said i will rule beside him at the landsmeet.
When he confronted me later I assured him that I was willing to stand beside him and marry him and when he brought up the heir thing I think I said It wont be for lack of trying.
Morrigan had her way and all was well. Happy day.
Think I was at the love level with him, and said i will rule beside him at the landsmeet.
When he confronted me later I assured him that I was willing to stand beside him and marry him and when he brought up the heir thing I think I said It wont be for lack of trying.
Morrigan had her way and all was well. Happy day.
#112
Posté 09 décembre 2009 - 05:50
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My ending wasn't particularly a tragedy.... I married Alistair and he was king.
#113
Posté 24 février 2011 - 04:50
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marais wrote...
slydfoxxy wrote...
And if you want to become queen in the end you have to be noble im guesing either dwarven of human cos when i picked the optio he said that couldnt happen cos i wasnt a noble (elf mage) so that sucks, i'll have to play through again to see if it works...
yikes! please, please don't say this...i'm a city elf duelist rogue--it would kind of suck to not even be allowed a shot at the marginally happy ending just because i'm a commoner.
When not hardened, Alistair will break up with any PC who cannot be his queen. Only human noble can become queen.
