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[Wishpig]

Liquidcz wrote...

Wishpig wrote...
That is the fate of romancible or easily killed characters.

This "easily killable" argument is total BS. A character is either KILLABLE or UNKILLABLE. Just like there are games where Leliana is dead, there will be games where Oghren is dead and the devs will have to deal with it somehow. How easy or hard is to kill him is completely unrelated.

There will be very very very very very very very very very very very few games with Oghren dead. If any, I'm not convinced it's even possible. You would have to spend at least two dozen hours playing with him in your group and go out of your way to ****** him off. I'm sure so few their prob insignificant. I don't think leliana's dead in allot of games, but it's no contest compared to Oghren.

It does matter, because creating a character, paying for voice acting, incorporating them all is a TON of work.. Allot of work that would be wasted because she wouldn't be in quite a few games.

it matters so much that fan favorite wrex wasn't a companion in ME2.

Modifié par Wishpig, 10 février 2010 - 06:12 .

[Wournos]

RedScorpion08 wrote...

I thought the "old favorite" was Oghren. He shows up in two of the trailers.

Just because a dwarf with red hair is shown?! I don't think he's the only dwarf with red hair. I saw a Leliana copy somewhere in the game...

Proposition_Joe wrote...

sorry Les Polar, my whole body
twinges when i just hear his voice, his appearance also remind me of a
really dull part of DA namely Deep roads and orzhammar. And seriously i
dont remember one memorable thing he said.

"Shave my back and call me an elf." is the only thing I remember. But that doesn't mean he should come back. Perverted short person with beer breath.

Elave wrote...

It's up to you, whether she's in or not.
You choose the one Charakter out oft your Companions (dependend on your
prior decisions in the storyline), who stays with you.

I would only believe that if it was followed up by an official statement from Bioware.

Modifié par Wournos, 10 février 2010 - 06:40 .

[NeroSparda]

Wishpig wrote...

Liquidcz wrote...

Wishpig wrote...
That is the fate of romancible or easily killed characters.

This "easily killable" argument is total BS. A character is either KILLABLE or UNKILLABLE. Just like there are games where Leliana is dead, there will be games where Oghren is dead and the devs will have to deal with it somehow. How easy or hard is to kill him is completely unrelated.

There will be very very very very very very very very very very very few games with Oghren dead. If any, I'm not convinced it's even possible. You would have to spend at least two dozen hours playing with him in your group and go out of your way to ****** him off. I'm sure so few their prob insignificant. I don't think leliana's dead in allot of games, but it's no contest compared to Oghren.

It does matter, because creating a character, paying for voice acting, incorporating them all is a TON of work.. Allot of work that would be wasted because she wouldn't be in quite a few games.

it matters so much that fan favorite wrex wasn't a companion in ME2.

In that theory, Oghren wouldn't be recruitable, considering that, if people are telling the truth, in some of their files, Oghren would be dead. And if he shows up in Awakening, then it would caused major "WTF?!" to them. 

[Wishpig]

NeroSparda wrote...

Wishpig wrote...

Liquidcz wrote...

Wishpig wrote...
That is the fate of romancible or easily killed characters.

This "easily killable" argument is total BS. A character is either KILLABLE or UNKILLABLE. Just like there are games where Leliana is dead, there will be games where Oghren is dead and the devs will have to deal with it somehow. How easy or hard is to kill him is completely unrelated.

There will be very very very very very very very very very very very few games with Oghren dead. If any, I'm not convinced it's even possible. You would have to spend at least two dozen hours playing with him in your group and go out of your way to ****** him off. I'm sure so few their prob insignificant. I don't think leliana's dead in allot of games, but it's no contest compared to Oghren.

It does matter, because creating a character, paying for voice acting, incorporating them all is a TON of work.. Allot of work that would be wasted because she wouldn't be in quite a few games.

it matters so much that fan favorite wrex wasn't a companion in ME2.

In that theory, Oghren wouldn't be recruitable, considering that, if people are telling the truth, in some of their files, Oghren would be dead. And if he shows up in Awakening, then it would caused major "WTF?!" to them. 

No...

If the two people who claimed they killed Oghren w/o cheating are telling the truth then it's still no comprison to everyother character except morrigan.

My theory isn't black and white, but oghren makes the most sense considering it.

Lets say, for arguments sake, that they simply choose to ignore the tiny itsey bitsey chance he could have been killed and bring back Oghren reguardless. That will effect so few people that their complaints won't even be a slight ripple in the sea of complaints that will arise from other issues and WTF moments. It is SO hard to kill him that many people claim its impossible.

Modifié par Wishpig, 10 février 2010 - 07:48 .

[NeroSparda]

Wishpig wrote...

NeroSparda wrote...

Wishpig wrote...

Liquidcz wrote...

Wishpig wrote...
That is the fate of romancible or easily killed characters.

This "easily killable" argument is total BS. A character is either KILLABLE or UNKILLABLE. Just like there are games where Leliana is dead, there will be games where Oghren is dead and the devs will have to deal with it somehow. How easy or hard is to kill him is completely unrelated.

There will be very very very very very very very very very very very few games with Oghren dead. If any, I'm not convinced it's even possible. You would have to spend at least two dozen hours playing with him in your group and go out of your way to ****** him off. I'm sure so few their prob insignificant. I don't think leliana's dead in allot of games, but it's no contest compared to Oghren.

It does matter, because creating a character, paying for voice acting, incorporating them all is a TON of work.. Allot of work that would be wasted because she wouldn't be in quite a few games.

it matters so much that fan favorite wrex wasn't a companion in ME2.

In that theory, Oghren wouldn't be recruitable, considering that, if people are telling the truth, in some of their files, Oghren would be dead. And if he shows up in Awakening, then it would caused major "WTF?!" to them. 

No...

If the two people who claimed they killed Oghren w/o cheating are telling the truth then it's still no comprison to everyother character except morrigan.

My theory isn't black and white, but oghren makes the most sense considering it.

Lets say, for arguments sake, that they simply choose to ignore the tiny itsey bitsey chance he could have been killed and bring back Oghren reguardless. That will effect so few people that their complaints won't even be a slight ripple in the sea of complaints that will arise from other issues and WTF moments. It is SO hard to kill him that many people claim its impossible.

Ahhh, that makes sense to me now. Thanks.

[Challseus]

I sure as hell hopes she comes back.

[RangerSG]

I don't buy the "easily killable" argument either. It means nothing since even if you can't kill him you can tell him to vamoose, which would make for all the same continuity disorders as if you *had* killed him. So no, there's continuity issues to be had on any character continuing.

That said, I think they want Oghren back because he was the character most players had the least amount of time to get to know in DA:O, and they want to rectify the issue of the resulting under-development of his character.

However, I don't think that means your romance partner has to get "written out." I don't see this as an "either/or" issue. There could be a meaningful cameo or recurring role, or they could be the McGuffin that makes you go through the DA:A plot, or the whole Oghren thing could be a head-fake. It's not hard to put a character model in a trailer and then remove said character later.

We don't *know* anything yet. And I'm not arguing about whether or not Og is coming back. I'm just saying that lots of conjecture on these threads is based on rubbish criteria. And until we have something that approaches a clear statement from Bioware or an actual game in hand, we won't know.

Modifié par RangerSG, 10 février 2010 - 11:39 .

[Justin2k]

I want her back.. she was my favorite character by far :-(



That being said, Ohgren was my second favorite :-)

[Nayt Navare]

I would bet that she gets the same treatment as Liara in ME2.

[Ibby1kanobi]

Wishpig wrote...

Ibby1kanobi wrote...

She was, by far, the most developed and likeable character. It seems sort of retarded that Bioware would bring back a drunken dwarf that almost nobody likes over the best character they've created in some time (Lelianna).


Revolution time my friends!

That almost nobody likes? Seriously? I have no problem with people hating on Oghren. He's an extreme personality. I love him, you hate him. But all these Oghren threads prove one thing... he does have a good amount of fans. I'm sick of people saying he has no fans... what are you hoping for? The devs to see your post and say to themselves, "this Kanobi fella says he has no fans... well then why are we putting him in?" It's not true, it's a slap in the face of those who like him, and it's old.

You don't like it fine, but at least acknowledge the fact many others do.

That said, I wasn't a HUGE leliana fan. She was ok, but I'm doubting she'll ever return in a role any bigger then a cameo. That is the fate of romancible or easily killed characters.

I've brought up the fact of polls. Various polls constantly have Oghren at the bottom of the poll as a likeable character they want to see come back, or exist at all. That's not my opinion, that's facts and numbers.

Sorry you don't like what the majority believes.

[Awoken Eyes]

Oghren died in all my playthroughs so that would be highly impossible on my side.

[Hugmejohnny]

Awoken Eyes wrote...

Oghren died in all my playthroughs so that would be highly impossible on my side.

Haha, nice try, but Oghren can't be killed. Unless you cheat, and if you did, it may corrupt your save. Wonder how awakaning will handle that one.

Ibby1kanobi wrote...

I've brought up the fact of polls.
Various polls constantly have Oghren at the bottom of the poll as a
likeable character they want to see come back, or exist at all. That's
not my opinion, that's facts and numbers.

Sorry you don't like what the majority believes.

Bottom line Leliana most likley will never return in anything but a cameo and Oghren seems to be a likley companion in Awakaning. Stings doesn't it? This is for you.file:///C:/Users/Nick/AppData/Local/Temp/moz-screenshot.png

Modifié par Hugmejohnny, 11 février 2010 - 12:23 .

[Awoken Eyes]

Hugmejohnny wrote...

Haha, nice try, but Oghren can't be killed. Unless you cheat, and if you did, it may corrupt your save.

dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Talk:Oghren (scroll to the bottom)

He can die alright and it gave me great satisfaction.

Hugmejohnny wrote...
Wonder how awakaning will handle that one.

Love your fail sarcasm.

Modifié par Awoken Eyes, 11 février 2010 - 01:20 .

[Hugmejohnny]

Awoken Eyes wrote...

Hugmejohnny wrote...

Haha, nice try, but Oghren can't be killed. Unless you cheat, and if you did, it may corrupt your save.

dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Talk:Oghren (scroll to the bottom)

He can die alright and it gave me great satisfaction.

Hugmejohnny wrote...
Wonder how awakaning will handle that one.

Love your fail sarcasm.

Seriously we all know he can die. But you can't do it without cheating . Hence why I said just that <_< Plus no matter what the end treats him like he's alive so Oghren still walked into the sunset

Either way you cheated or lied. I think you read that on wiki and decided to say you killed him. Agian nice try.

Modifié par Hugmejohnny, 11 février 2010 - 02:17 .

[Awoken Eyes]

Hugmejohnny wrote...

Either way you cheated or lied. I think you read that on wiki and decided to say you killed him. Agian nice try.

You call me a cheater/liar while you haven't tried to accomplish something what others have
achieved by trying every possibility ? (yes, your good at reading, i'm not the only one who managed to get him killed.)

You sir, fail.

Thank you for calling me a possible cheater/liar while I got it done via legit ways.

In the future, before trying to call people "cheaters", "liars" or  "mod users" get your things right by trying it yourself.

Your profile:
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Date:2010-01-30
No games registered

I highly doubt you have even beaten the game or even played it.

Modifié par Awoken Eyes, 11 février 2010 - 02:38 .

[Yobani_P]

Well,
if she does not return as a partner unless you have a good cameo, not
just 3 lines of dialogue, what says, how have you been?, and already,

you can
talk to her about your new adventures, if you had romantic relationship
with her who both have a house somewhere in lothering or denerim maybe,

I
would feel very disappointed and would not buy the expansion and only
add an entry codex   talk about what happened to her,

bioware going to delude us with the talks he had with her about traveling together, discovering treasures, etc. ...

[Hugmejohnny]

Awoken Eyes wrote...

Hugmejohnny wrote...

Either way you cheated or lied. I think you read that on wiki and decided to say you killed him. Agian nice try.

You call me a cheater/liar while you haven't tried to accomplish something what others have
achieved by trying every possibility ? (yes, your good at reading, i'm not the only one who managed to get him killed.)

You sir, fail.

Thank you for calling me a possible cheater/liar while I got it done via legit ways.

In the future, before trying to call people "cheaters", "liars" or  "mod users" get your things right by trying it yourself.

Your profile:
Updated:12 day(s) ago Signup
Date:2010-01-30No games registered

I highly doubt you have even beaten the game or even played it.

Hahaha, ya have fun trying to crawl your way outta this one.  Caught in a lie now trying to change the subject and throw around little accusations. It's cute.

Ok let me make myself clear though...
A. You lied
B. You cheated or used a mod. NOTHING wrong with this, but you didn't kill him legitly thats the point.

It's either A or B. A is a naughty naughty NO NO! B is ok and fine but realise you whacked him through unlegit means. He wasn't meant to die.

Don't dig yourself any deeper into the hole.

Modifié par Hugmejohnny, 11 février 2010 - 02:49 .

[Deception_2112]

Oghren is dead in my game...so it'll be very weird if he turns up in Awakening..



I used the console to remove his approval, because apart from his banter with the party members i really dislike him...



Leli >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Oghren

[Awoken Eyes]

Hugmejohnny wrote...
Hahaha, ya have fun trying to crawl your way outta this one.  Caught in a lie now trying to change the subject and throw around little accusations. It's cute.

If you are trying to make me angry or something, I really have to disappoint you.

But calling me a liar is funny, mr. Oghren fan i presume ?

**
Sidding with branka gives you -13 and when you play it right when you go outside orzammar you will get another -8.
Which gives you -21 already, make some bad choices in camp and you easily end up fighting him and afterwards given the option to kill him.

Hugmejohnny wrote...
Digging digging digging.

The truth stings ? Doesn't it ?

/Signed.

Modifié par Awoken Eyes, 11 février 2010 - 03:03 .

[Hugmejohnny]

Awoken Eyes wrote...

Hugmejohnny wrote...
Hahaha, ya have fun trying to crawl your way outta this one.  Caught in a lie now trying to change the subject and throw around little accusations. It's cute.

If you are trying to make me angry or something, I really have to disappoint you.

But calling me a liar is funny, mr oghren fan i presume ?

**
Sidding with branka gives you -13 and when you play it right when you go outside orzammar you will get another -8.
Which gives you -21 already, make some bad choices in camp and you easily end up fighting him and afterwards given the option to kill him.

/Signed.

Digging digging digging.
/sign

Modifié par Hugmejohnny, 11 février 2010 - 02:56 .

[Ponce de Leon]

I made some calculations and came to a conclusion, which I correct myself, since I calculated wrongly in another thread :

Let's suppose 6 party members, each class 2 party members. This excludes Morrigan and Wynne as returning.

Let's say it will be a 50-50 of characters. 3 males, 3 females.

Mages : Anders and Velanna

Warriors : The short haired guy and the possible woman.

Rogue : The dual wielding heavy armored guy.

---

So, who's the only remaining character that would do my 33-33-33, 50-50 logic? Excluding Zevran, he's a male you know



I am pretty sure now, even if I want Oghren. Also, from the Role playing perspective, you can blast Leliana's head off too... I can only guess why someone would do that though.

[Deception_2112]

Hugmejohnny wrote...

Hahaha, ya have fun trying to crawl your way outta this one.  Caught in a lie now trying to change the subject and throw around little accusations. It's cute.

Ok let me make myself clear though...
A. You lied
B. You cheated or used a mod. NOTHING wrong with this, but you didn't kill him legitly thats the point.

It's either A or B. A is a naughty naughty NO NO! B is ok and fine but realise you whacked him through unlegit means. He wasn't meant to die.

Don't dig yourself any deeper into the hole.

Actually if you get Oghren first, do everything that makes him lose approval, there's going to be enough left in the game to get him to -100...

It'd be very very hard, but it's possible in a legit way.

Honestly it's very hard to get any companion to -100, you'd have to go out of your way to do it. The only reason Oghren is the hardest to kill is simply because you can't abandon him anywhere (You can tell him to leave). 

You can dish out a fair bit of negative approval on the Branka quest alone, just choose whatever option you think will make Oghren hate you.

The game won't neccesarily recognise cheats as being illegit either, certainly the runscript approval cheat didn't have adverse affect on any romance plot. Him being killable was put there by the developers, its not an anomaly, it's there and it should be recognised as such, my thinking is if he is the returning companion and you killed him, you simply get no returning companion. The only companion that could return in every save is Morrigan(There is literally no way to kill her), even Alistair is killable at some point.

[Hugmejohnny]

Deception_2112 wrote...

Hugmejohnny wrote...

Hahaha, ya have fun trying to crawl your way outta this one.  Caught in a lie now trying to change the subject and throw around little accusations. It's cute.

Ok let me make myself clear though...
A. You lied
B. You cheated or used a mod. NOTHING wrong with this, but you didn't kill him legitly thats the point.

It's either A or B. A is a naughty naughty NO NO! B is ok and fine but realise you whacked him through unlegit means. He wasn't meant to die.

Don't dig yourself any deeper into the hole.

Actually if you get Oghren first, do everything that makes him lose approval, there's going to be enough left in the game to get him to -100...

It'd be very very hard, but it's possible in a legit way.

I thought of that, but it's a tough tough task. So tough the devs didn't even account for it at the end of the game. He said he did it through all of his playthroughs... I'm calling his bluff. If he did then I actually feel bad for him.

Modifié par Hugmejohnny, 11 février 2010 - 03:18 .

[Zombie Expert]

I find it rather disappointing that this has simply turned into another "Oghren > God/Oghren deserves to die a slow painful death twenty times in a row" thread.

[MaxQuartiroli]

dark-lauron wrote...

I made some calculations and came to a conclusion, which I correct myself, since I calculated wrongly in another thread :
Let's suppose 6 party members, each class 2 party members. This excludes Morrigan and Wynne as returning.
Let's say it will be a 50-50 of characters. 3 males, 3 females.
Mages : Anders and Velanna
Warriors : The short haired guy and the possible woman.
Rogue : The dual wielding heavy armored guy.
---
So, who's the only remaining character that would do my 33-33-33, 50-50 logic? Excluding Zevran, he's a male you know

I am pretty sure now, even if I want Oghren. Also, from the Role playing perspective, you can blast Leliana's head off too... I can only guess why someone would do that though.

Good calculations.. I made it too... and I liked it very much.. but.. just one question.. who said that party members must be 50% male and 50% female?

Modifié par MaxQuartiroli, 11 février 2010 - 04:48 .