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[Wishpig]

Zombie Expert wrote...

I find it rather disappointing that this has simply turned into another "Oghren > God/Oghren deserves to die a slow painful death twenty times in a row" thread.

It's understandible. I think it goes without saying Alistair, Morrigan, and Leliana are the three most popular characters. Sadly all three are very tricky to bring back as companions (although I'd bet on Morrigan being a companion in future xpacks or sequels.) As a result chances are they won't ever be anything more then a cameo. Nothings set it stone... but odds are this is the case.

As a result people are mad, upset, and jealous (well except Oghren fans, but we're upset over all the bashing.) Oghren is taking what could have been any other companions spot. There fore any discussion like this will eventually dissolve into a hate thread.

It will pass, it's no diffrent then the Wrex phase.

MaxQuartiroli wrote...

dark-lauron wrote...

I made some calculations and came to a conclusion, which I correct myself, since I calculated wrongly in another thread :
Let's suppose 6 party members, each class 2 party members. This excludes Morrigan and Wynne as returning.
Let's say it will be a 50-50 of characters. 3 males, 3 females.
Mages : Anders and Velanna
Warriors : The short haired guy and the possible woman.
Rogue : The dual wielding heavy armored guy.
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So, who's the only remaining character that would do my 33-33-33, 50-50 logic? Excluding Zevran, he's a male you know

I
am pretty sure now, even if I want Oghren. Also, from the Role playing
perspective, you can blast Leliana's head off too... I can only guess
why someone would do that though.

Good calculations..
I made it too... and I liked it very much.. but.. just one question..
who said that party members must be 50% male and 50% female? ../../../images/forum/emoticons/uncertain.png

No one did, and I think they care more about story then equally dividing the companions into perfect classes and sexes. As origins clearly showed us.

Modifié par Wishpig, 11 février 2010 - 04:50 .

[Ponce de Leon]

Err... well, we got a big outbalance in DA:O, so I can't say for sure. Ultimately, however, I just made a simply assumption. Sure though, on a downside note, none of the 5 new companions are a dwarf, which would add Oghren a chance. I guess they are somewhat tied.

But, if you are a Leliana fan, you should have faith, no?

[Wishpig]

dark-lauron wrote...
But, if you are a Leliana fan, you should have faith, no?

No, that way you won't be disapointed.

[Ponce de Leon]

You can get disappointed even if without faith...

[MaxQuartiroli]

Wishpig wrote...

dark-lauron wrote...
But, if you are a Leliana fan, you should have faith, no?

No, that way you won't be disapointed.

Correct !!!
less faith = less disappointment.. nice trick !!

[soignee]

SE JN wrote...

I would bet that she gets the same treatment as Liara in ME2.

This. The same with Zevran, I should imagine.

I got a funny feeling Alistair's going to be your starter quest temporary companion like Gorim/Leske/Soris/Jowan, if he's still alive in your playthrough. Since he's my Auducan's bedwarmer in Amarathine, I got this weird mental image of him waving me off with a hankie while I go slay some MOAR darkspawn without him.

[Schurge]

What? Bioware is going to pull the same sh!t with Dragon Age as they did with Mass Effect II? Why don't you just start making solo games because you obviously don't want us to get attached to any party members regardless of the kind of attachment. If they do this, and they don't have a darned good reason I won't get the expansion out of principle... because at some point we gotta get the point across in a way they will understand - in the pocket book.

Bioware we like keeping our original party and our patience is wearing thin.

[Liquidcz]

Schurge wrote...

What? Bioware is going to pull the same sh!t with Dragon Age as they did with Mass Effect II? Why don't you just start making solo games because you obviously don't want us to get attached to any party members regardless of the kind of attachment. If they do this, and they don't have a darned good reason I won't get the expansion out of principle... because at some point we gotta get the point across in a way they will understand - in the pocket book.

Bioware we like keeping our original party and our patience is wearing thin.

It's a delicate matter. If they bring back the original companions, people will accuse them of being too lazy to create new characters. If they introduce new companions, people will be upset none of their old favourites comes back. If they bring some of the old companions, people will whine they're not getting those they wanted. They'll never please everyone.

That said, I'm all for bringing back the old companions 

[Schurge]

Liquidcz wrote...

Schurge wrote...

What? Bioware is going to pull the same sh!t with Dragon Age as they did with Mass Effect II? Why don't you just start making solo games because you obviously don't want us to get attached to any party members regardless of the kind of attachment. If they do this, and they don't have a darned good reason I won't get the expansion out of principle... because at some point we gotta get the point across in a way they will understand - in the pocket book.

Bioware we like keeping our original party and our patience is wearing thin.

It's a delicate matter. If they bring back the original companions, people will accuse them of being too lazy to create new characters. If they introduce new companions, people will be upset none of their old favourites comes back. If they bring some of the old companions, people will whine they're not getting those they wanted. They'll never please everyone.

That said, I'm all for bringing back the old companions 

Bring back the old ones add one or two new ones. I am tired of investing in characters and than having them disappear. Besides, I thought an expansion was supposed to expand on what was already there.

[SinYang]

Schurge wrote...
Bring back the old ones add one or two new ones. I am tired of investing in characters and than having them disappear. Besides, I thought an expansion was supposed to expand on what was already there.

The definition of expansion has been twisted so many times over the years by companies (Not just Bioware here!), it appears to "expand on the main storyline" these days.

I agree with you guys, something akin to Throne of Bhaal is my idea of an expansion.
On Budgets, 5 new characters is no different from 2 new characters plus 3 old characters at the very least.

Modifié par SinYang, 11 février 2010 - 08:58 .

[Liquidcz]

Schurge wrote...
 Besides, I thought an expansion was supposed to expand on what was already there.

I thought so too. However, Bioware's opinion is obviously a bit different.

[Curlain]

I have to say, one of the many things I loved about BG was being able to have companions continue all the way through the entire series, those that I keep with me really grew with my PCs throughout the story, and I became really attached to them by the time the epilogue credits rolled. And I loved the romances in BG from providing the feeling of a continuing relationship (at least with Throne of Bhaal added) beyond the point of sleeping with said romancable when in many games the relationship just seems to largely stop.

[JamieCOTC]

All signs point to the fact that Leliana has a cameo, but that's it.



"With regards to things like Leliana; again, there are some cameos -- there is one party member that returns that can join your party and continue on. I think we're trying to keep that under wraps until a little bit closer to launch though."



Link: http://pc.ign.com/ar.../1058656p2.html

[RangerSG]

Schurge wrote...

What? Bioware is going to pull the same sh!t with Dragon Age as they did with Mass Effect II? Why don't you just start making solo games because you obviously don't want us to get attached to any party members regardless of the kind of attachment. If they do this, and they don't have a darned good reason I won't get the expansion out of principle... because at some point we gotta get the point across in a way they will understand - in the pocket book.

Bioware we like keeping our original party and our patience is wearing thin.

We don't know that's what's happening. People are assuming that is what is happening. Using ME2 as a guide is rubbish because it's not the same writing team.

But then, it's so much less fun to tell people to be patient and not get spun up by the rumors on the forum than it is to be the one spinning people up with the rumors. I'll say what I've said before...if these speculation threads...and that is all they are is speculation, get you in a tizzy, don't read them and wait until we hear and see something official from Bioware. And until they say something official, we don't know anything.

[Ponce de Leon]

JamieCOTC wrote...

All signs point to the fact that Leliana has a cameo, but that's it.

"With regards to things like Leliana; again, there are some cameos -- there is one party member that returns that can join your party and continue on. I think we're trying to keep that under wraps until a little bit closer to launch though."

Link: http://pc.ign.com/ar.../1058656p2.html

.... OH NO, if that's true, then my calculations prove that Zev returns. NOOOOOOOOOOH!
... or Shale? I like Shale more...

[Maria Caliban]

I'd be amused if the same woman who kills herself if the Warden does the 'ultimate sacrifice' gives you a peck and then hardly acknowledges you in Awakenings.

[Wishpig]

Maria Caliban wrote...

I'd be amused if the same woman who kills herself if the Warden does the 'ultimate sacrifice' gives you a peck and then hardly acknowledges you in Awakenings.

The forums would explode

[Ponce de Leon]

Explode? I'd say they'd detonate with insults to the developers...

[Kabraxal]

I have to agree with the earlier sentiment. If the expansion and sequels for Bioware properties continually start sidelining characters from the original game, they just need to stop planning on franchises or trilogies. Reading between this and the ME forums, people are worrying themselves to death that Bioware is content on lobbing new squads out with every game.

[Wishpig]

Kabraxal wrote...

I have to agree with the earlier sentiment. If the expansion and sequels for Bioware properties continually start sidelining characters from the original game, they just need to stop planning on franchises or trilogies. Reading between this and the ME forums, people are worrying themselves to death that Bioware is content on lobbing new squads out with every game.

With each new game companions get deeper, they can evolve, they can go down diffrent paths, meet diffrent fates, and are generally more and more real.

Because of this they get more and more difficult to carry into sequals and expansions. They can branch into so many diffrent directions that the devs just can't carry them over and do them justice or in the case of characters that die... make all the effort worth it.

Everyone uses BG series as an example, but it's a terrible terrible example. Most of the characters really couldn't evolve or go in anyother direction. They were there and they had their set personalites. They didn't evolve and their fates were set. In truth they had allot of problems people claim Oghren has... thus they were easy to carry over. And the few characters who could "evolve" like Anomen (or whatever his name was) really didn't stick to that path in their dialog... it was flawed.

The bottom line is you can't have your cake and eat it too. Many have fallen in love with Leliana because you can truly guide her personality and ultimate fate... and like I said the more her story branches out the harder it is to keep them all in check. Sadly thats just how it is.

Modifié par Wishpig, 12 février 2010 - 01:53 .

[SinYang]

BG series > NWN1 OC.
I really did feel the deep aspect you mention when chatting to aribeth(the romance) out of the party,  it was great on level up when you could get one sentence of dialogue. I mean it was really an improvement from BG2.


Some of us arent blind, bioware can do wrong - they have done it before and can do so again.
Oghren is most definitely.. wrong. But I find aguing with trolls to be largely pointless.

Your profile & archievements have proven you have yet to finsh an Origins game, once.
Alot of what you say comes from googling walkthroughs no doubt. Its also most likely you have
never played any baldur's game.

Or is your profile broke? really, the system works fine here.

Modifié par SinYang, 12 février 2010 - 02:21 .

[Angel of Nessus]

Wishpig wrote...

Kabraxal wrote...

I have to agree with the earlier sentiment. If the expansion and sequels for Bioware properties continually start sidelining characters from the original game, they just need to stop planning on franchises or trilogies. Reading between this and the ME forums, people are worrying themselves to death that Bioware is content on lobbing new squads out with every game.

With each new game companions get deeper, they can evolve, they can go down diffrent paths, meet diffrent fates, and are generally more and more real.

Because of this they get more and more difficult to carry into sequals and expansions. They can branch into so many diffrent directions that the devs just can't carry them over and do them justice or in the case of characters that die... make all the effort worth it.

Everyone uses BG series as an example, but it's a terrible terrible example. Most of the characters really couldn't evolve or go in anyother direction. They were there and they had their set personalites. They didn't evolve and their fates were set. In truth they had allot of problems people claim Oghren has... thus they were easy to carry over. And the few characters who could "evolve" like Anomen (or whatever his name was) really didn't stick to that path in their dialog... it was flawed.

The bottom line is you can't have your cake and eat it too. Many have fallen in love with Leliana because you can truly guide her personality and ultimate fate... and like I said the more her story branches out the harder it is to keep them all in check. Sadly thats just how it is.

That's the problem with romances in games, and as long as such things exist and games become more complex, the more people with nerdrage because RCs become more complex and immersive- and in the end, they still fall apart and ****** people off even more because of it.

[Wishpig]

SinYang wrote...

BG series > NWN1 OC.
I really did feel the deep aspect you mention when chatting to aribeth(the romance) out of the party,  it was great on level up when you could get one sentence of dialogue. I mean it was really an improvement from BG2.


Some of us arent blind, bioware can do wrong - they have done it before and can do so again.
Oghren is most definitely.. wrong. But I find aguing with trolls to be largely pointless.

Your profile & archievements have proven you have yet to finsh an Origins game, once.
Alot of what you say comes from googling walkthroughs no doubt. Its also most likely you have
never played any baldur's game.

Or is your profile broke? really, the system works fine here.

Resorting to personal attacks now eh? How cute.

I suffer from the common and o' so lovely "timed out accessing online profile" bug. Look it up. Everytime I turn on the god damned game I get a nice little pop up that has gotten very old very fast.

Never fully beat BG (couldn't go from BG2 to BG) and never played sword coast but I beat BG2 and ToB at least 4 times. And i've played every bioware game sense. Watch me drop facts like rhymes...

The romance with the half-elf harper is bugged to hell often getting stuck halfway through, happened to me.

Korgan = best character ever. He drops Ozzy Osborn refrences in his dialogs with minsc.

ToB's main villian is as predictible as the ending to titanic.

I will say your a natural politician.

Modifié par Wishpig, 12 février 2010 - 12:00 .

[jsachun]

Liquidcz wrote...

Schurge wrote...

What? Bioware is going to pull the same sh!t with Dragon Age as they did with Mass Effect II? Why don't you just start making solo games because you obviously don't want us to get attached to any party members regardless of the kind of attachment. If they do this, and they don't have a darned good reason I won't get the expansion out of principle... because at some point we gotta get the point across in a way they will understand - in the pocket book.

Bioware we like keeping our original party and our patience is wearing thin.

It's a delicate matter. If they bring back the original companions, people will accuse them of being too lazy to create new characters. If they introduce new companions, people will be upset none of their old favourites comes back. If they bring some of the old companions, people will whine they're not getting those they wanted. They'll never please everyone.

That said, I'm all for bringing back the old companions 

So why not keep the old & introduce some new? I don't think it's so hard to do. Wouldn't this make sense for an expansion. For the sake of the story some may not be available, but it doesn't have to be like a whole new game.

Modifié par jsachun, 12 février 2010 - 11:51 .

[Jaymo147]

What I would love is them letting you choose who comes with you. My "old favorite" is most likely different from yours or Bioware's.