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[MadCat221]

dreman9999 wrote...

Sursion wrote...

DuffyMJ wrote...

Sursion wrote...

Tooneyman wrote...

 No they are not the collectors.

Yes. They are.

Uh no they're not the collectors look nothing like prothean statues

Did you even play the game?

Protheans is to Collecters as Monkeys is  to humans.
The Collecters is an evolved Prothean but their not Protheans per say. More like a Prothean Husk really.

I must also concur... did you two even play the game?  It's explicitly stated by EDI in the game: Collectors = genetically mutilated Protheans.

I'm betting some serious splicing went on though.  Probably so much so that the Collectors look nothing like the original Protheans, as evidenced by the Prothean statues, and even the (probable) prothean Husk look nothing like the Collectors.

Modifié par MadCat221, 18 août 2010 - 04:16 .

[LJScribes]

I always imagined that the N7 beacon vision was of the Protheans being modified. Because you see glimpses of the original Prothean vision from ME1 where they look different from the Collectors at the beginning of it and towards the end you see them as Collectors

[Skyblade012]

DeadlyParasite wrote...

The Collectors were explained to have bits of Prothean DNA but EDI also stated that their physical structure is no longer the same.

So while the Collectors ARE former Protheans, it's not what they looked like.

Untrue.  EDI states they have had significant genetic engineering enhancements.  She never claims that their physical structure has changed.

And the genetic engineering is not as extensive as some people think.  She can isolate the colony of origin of a particular Collector from the genetic code.  That is a hell of a lot more specific than should be expected from something reworked into a completely different organism.

And I never really put much credence into the Prothean statues.



That's an example of a human sculpture, but I've never seen a human that looked like that.

[didymos1120]

Skyblade012 wrote...

DeadlyParasite wrote...

The Collectors were explained to have bits of Prothean DNA but EDI also stated that their physical structure is no longer the same.

So while the Collectors ARE former Protheans, it's not what they looked like.

Untrue.  EDI states they have had significant genetic engineering enhancements.  She never claims that their physical structure has changed.

And the genetic engineering is not as extensive as some people think.  She can isolate the colony of origin of a particular Collector from the genetic code.  That is a hell of a lot more specific than should be expected from something reworked into a completely different organism.

So what?  We can find sequences in vastly different organisms that are nigh-identical.  If there are unique enough markers and/or the sequences are part of fundamental pathways or stuff like basic body plan, then narrowing them down to a possible place of origin isn't at all inconsistent with the simply stated-by-EDI fact that they were changed drastically: "These are no longer Protheans."
 
And yes, they looked like the statues.  The beacon vision in ME2 includes images of pre-Collectorized Protheans.  The very first image in the video is this:



Then we see various circuits and machinery embedded in flesh:



Then more Protheans huddling in despair:



A Shrieking Mouth:



A Reaper:



Circuits and machinery embedded in flesh redux:



And finally, Collectors:



There is a clear and obvious sequence of events being related by the vision.  And, the fact is, they had to make them look different because otherwise everyone would go "Hey, they look a lot like Protheans...."

Modifié par didymos1120, 18 août 2010 - 05:48 .

[Skyblade012]

Aw, there you go, bringing evidence into it again.

[Katamariguy]

Just look in the codex entry to find a nice picture. Sheesh

[Tooneyman]

I'm popping in just because I thought this thread was dead a long time ago. lol. I don't care I still want to see a real prothean before the game is over even if the prothean image is in a beacon like for or V.I. were shepard can talk to and learn about the prothean culture at the end of mass effect 2.

[armass]

Protheans looked like humanoid squidheads, akin to mindflayers. They were transformed into the collector form by the reapers.

[alienatedflea]

the collectors are prothean but modified by the reapers...didnt you see the visions from me1 and me2? the vision is clear about the warming of the reapers but you also see machine mixing with organics...i think the OP was talking about the orginal protheans...i think that would be cool in my opinion

[Killjoy Cutter]

loudent3 wrote...

ohupthis wrote...

DeadlyParasite wrote...

The Collectors were explained to have bits of Prothean DNA but EDI also stated that their physical structure is no longer the same.

So while the Collectors ARE former Protheans, it's not what they looked like.

For the most part, I, prefer NOT to agree with most of you humans, however, This is correct^^^^.

This what we all think is correct, until we do the n7 mission where the original look of the protheans is revealed.....they look just like collectors. The physical outward appearances of the collectors IS what the prothean's looked like.

I was disappointed too, but there it is.

Given the quickfire series of half-second scenes that make up the vision from the beacon in the N7 mission in ME2, I'm really surprised that people are making such bold, firm, and definative statements about what it shows.

I could have sworn that I saw an image in that cutscene/vision of a Prothean that looks just the supposedly Prothean statue in Hock's vault, and other images of Protheans that show the Lovercraftian tentacle-face appearance.

[MadCat221]

Didymos pretty much covered it with incontrovertible visual evidence, Killjoy.

[Killjoy Cutter]

MadCat221 wrote...

Didymos pretty much covered it with incontrovertible visual evidence, Killjoy.

I was hoping that that was what was on all those image placeholders, that I can't see from work because of the network security settings. 

(I'm trying to figure out how to do an inventory return on 1107 units that the customer took off the pallets and restacked wrong before sending it back, and need to not think about it for a minute.)

[Renaikan]

didymos1120 wrote...

Skyblade012 wrote...

DeadlyParasite wrote...

The Collectors were explained to have bits of Prothean DNA but EDI also stated that their physical structure is no longer the same.

So while the Collectors ARE former Protheans, it's not what they looked like.

Untrue.  EDI states they have had significant genetic engineering enhancements.  She never claims that their physical structure has changed.

And the genetic engineering is not as extensive as some people think.  She can isolate the colony of origin of a particular Collector from the genetic code.  That is a hell of a lot more specific than should be expected from something reworked into a completely different organism.

So what?  We can find sequences in vastly different organisms that are nigh-identical.  If there are unique enough markers and/or the sequences are part of fundamental pathways or stuff like basic body plan, then narrowing them down to a possible place of origin isn't at all inconsistent with the simply stated-by-EDI fact that they were changed drastically: "These are no longer Protheans."
 
And yes, they looked like the statues.  The beacon vision in ME2 includes images of pre-Collectorized Protheans.  The very first image in the video is this:



Then we see various circuits and machinery embedded in flesh:



Then more Protheans huddling in despair:



A Shrieking Mouth:



A Reaper:



Circuits and machinery embedded in flesh redux:



And finally, Collectors:



There is a clear and obvious sequence of events being related by the vision.  And, the fact is, they had to make them look different because otherwise everyone would go "Hey, they look a lot like Protheans...."

QFT. I got the same message from that image. I warning what the reapers were doing to them.

[Tooneyman]

It fyou look towards the middle of the picture of the Prothean/collect. You can tell its kind of blurred out. Whoever made this image did a really crappy photoshop copy and paste work.

[Calyster]

i jut tought that the collector was getting ut of the prothean body by tearing is flesh

[mr fodder]

Skyblade012 wrote...



That's an example of a human sculpture, but I've never seen a human that looked like that.

That's Helen, we went out twice. Bit of a stiff.

Modifié par mr fodder, 19 août 2010 - 02:35 .

[Cheese Elemental]

Tooneyman wrote...
It fyou look towards the middle of the picture of the Prothean/collect. You can tell its kind of blurred out. Whoever made this image did a really crappy photoshop copy and paste work.

It's probably halfway through transformation or something.

[didymos1120]

Cheese Elemental wrote...
It's probably halfway through transformation or something.

No.  What it is is not to be taken literally.   The Collector emerging from the Prothean is just visual shorthand for what the Reapers did to them: they made Collectors out of Protheans.  And the Collector replacing the Prothean is likewise shorthand for their eventual fate as a species.   It's symbolic.  It's not a story about two particular Protheans becoming Collectors; it's a story about alll of them:  this is what we were when the machines came; soon, these...things...will be all that remains.   Also recall what Mordin says: "over several cloned generations."  I.e., it wasn't some sort of insta-saltation, but a more gradual process of the Reapers refining and redesigning their Prothean slaves into the tools they wanted.

[Canned Bullets]

Maybe a Prothean scientist that was discovered in a cryo pod.

[AresXX7]

Tooneyman wrote...



It fyou look towards the middle of the picture of the Prothean/collect. You can tell its kind of blurred out. Whoever made this image did a really crappy photoshop copy and paste work.

if you're refering to the bottom left area, that is one of the legs of the Prothean/Collector you see in the front
the pic is a feeze-frame of vision, so it is out of focus

but if you watch the vision in motion, you'll see a lot of blurriness anyway

[TheMyron]

Does Javik satisfy you?