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[charliekrad]

Starbolt79 wrote...

DuffyMJ wrote...

Starbolt79 wrote...

DuffyMJ wrote...

Br0th3rGr1mm wrote...

CdnNinja wrote...

Technically they are the collectors, but they've been changed so much that you can't really consider them to be anymore. It's like calling a potato chip a vegetable. Sure that's where it came from, but it's far from one anymore. At least in my opinion...

Errr...potatoes aren't vegetables to begin with...analogy failure.

I hope that's a joke... What do you think potato is, a grain? lmao.

The humble Potato is a Starch

http://www.britannic...24564/vegetable

"A brief treatment of vegetables and vegetable farming follows. For information on particular vegetables, see carrot, potato, and so on. "

I don't want to say anything snarky or rude, but clearly potatos are vegetables, dude.

A starch is a vegetable, just a specific type of vegetable

Lets conclude that potatoes ARE vegetables
Lets talk about protheons and Collectors rather than po-ta-toes

[DuffyMJ]

Starbolt79 wrote...

DuffyMJ wrote...

Starbolt79 wrote...

DuffyMJ wrote...

Br0th3rGr1mm wrote...

CdnNinja wrote...

Technically they are the collectors, but they've been changed so much that you can't really consider them to be anymore. It's like calling a potato chip a vegetable. Sure that's where it came from, but it's far from one anymore. At least in my opinion...

Errr...potatoes aren't vegetables to begin with...analogy failure.

I hope that's a joke... What do you think potato is, a grain? lmao.

The humble Potato is a Starch

http://www.britannic...24564/vegetable

"A brief treatment of vegetables and vegetable farming follows. For information on particular vegetables, see carrot, potato, and so on. "

I don't want to say anything snarky or rude, but clearly potatos are vegetables, dude.

A starch is a vegetable, just a specific type of vegetable

Squares are rectangles too, but you don't see folks in Brooklyn calling Norweigens "rectangle-heads" 

[pelhikano]

Lol how did this turn into a agricultural products discussion.

[BlaiseVoltaire]

DuffyMJ wrote...

loudent3 wrote...

ohupthis wrote...

DeadlyParasite wrote...

The Collectors were explained to have bits of Prothean DNA but EDI also stated that their physical structure is no longer the same.

So while the Collectors ARE former Protheans, it's not what they looked like.

For the most part, I, prefer NOT to agree with most of you humans, however, This is correct^^^^.

This what we all think is correct, until we do the n7 mission where the original look of the protheans is revealed.....they look just like collectors. The physical outward appearances of the collectors IS what the prothean's looked like.

I was disappointed too, but there it is.

For the ump-teenth time, that was a prothean warning about the collectors.  The collector image is shown instead of the charging reaper in the original vision from ME1.  It's a warning, not a "hey this is what we look like guys, just a heads up".

Saying "umpteenth" (no need for the dash) doesn't make you correct It is NOT a warning about the collectors, it's a warning about the Reapers. The collectors are the remnants of the indoctrinated Protheans.

The Protheans DID look like the collectors: the vision in ME2 contains a flash of Protheans, which look exactly like the collectors.

Found a youtube video of it, but the guy who made it included a bunch of fighting. Skip to around 4:25 and pause it at 4:32 or 4:33 for a close up on the Collectors in the vision:

Hopefully this settles it for you guys...that's definitive and really damn obvious.

[Jeremy Winston]

Guys... from ME2 Codex Prothean Husk

Modifié par Jeremy Winston, 09 février 2010 - 10:57 .

[Stoko981]

Tassigny wrote...

Sabre120 wrote...

The collectors are the remnants of Protheans, only a few strands of DNA remain within them. So no the Collectors do not look like original Protheans, but they are Protheans, just genetically modified beyond all recognition

Hello,
During an N7 mission, you get to use the beacon again. The Protheans didn't change. 

Dude, the beacon in the N7 mission is a warning similar to the one in ME1 about the Reapers. Except this warning is about the Collectors. Why would they leave a recording to say "hey, this is what we look like"? All Protheans would know what Protheans looked like. The vision was a warning against the Collectors - all it proves is that the first Collectors existed 50,000 years ago. Which makes sense, considering that's when the Protheans were around. It's like if a human left a recording in a computer terminal of footage of a Husk. As a warning, to say "look out, warning, danger, this is what they're turning us into". Not "hello species of the future, this is what we looked like".

jimmyjoefro wrote...

The Collectors are not Protheans. There's only one strand of similar DNA between them.

Actually EDI said they shared at least 2,000 seperate alleles. They're heavily modified, that combined with the Ilos statues and the Prothean Codex entry, it's pretty clear they looked nothing like the Collectors, short of being bipedal.

[DuffyMJ]

BlaiseVoltaire wrote...

DuffyMJ wrote...

loudent3 wrote...

ohupthis wrote...

DeadlyParasite wrote...

The Collectors were explained to have bits of Prothean DNA but EDI also stated that their physical structure is no longer the same.

So while the Collectors ARE former Protheans, it's not what they looked like.

For the most part, I, prefer NOT to agree with most of you humans, however, This is correct^^^^.

This what we all think is correct, until we do the n7 mission where the original look of the protheans is revealed.....they look just like collectors. The physical outward appearances of the collectors IS what the prothean's looked like.

I was disappointed too, but there it is.

For the ump-teenth time, that was a prothean warning about the collectors.  The collector image is shown instead of the charging reaper in the original vision from ME1.  It's a warning, not a "hey this is what we look like guys, just a heads up".

Saying "umpteenth" (no need for the dash) doesn't make you correct It is NOT a warning about the collectors, it's a warning about the Reapers. The collectors are the remnants of the indoctrinated Protheans.

The Protheans DID look like the collectors: the vision in ME2 contains a flash of Protheans, which look exactly like the collectors.

Found a youtube video of it, but the guy who made it included a bunch of fighting. Skip to around 4:25 and pause it at 4:32 or 4:33 for a close up on the Collectors in the vision:

Hopefully this settles it for you guys...that's definitive and really damn obvious.

The original prothean beacon ALSO had an image of the REAL protheans, see the still cap of it on page 2 of this discussion.

[mp84]

Dave the Seagull wrote...

Tassigny wrote...

jimmyjoefro wrote...

The Collectors are not Protheans. There's only one strand of similar DNA between them.

They are protheans. Play the game, read codex, do N7 missions. Protheans were modified. That doesn't imply their aspect changed. As proved in N7 beacon mission, they didn't.

What that N7 beacon showed was that the reapers were already using the modified Protheans  "Collectors ". It doesn't actually prove that they looked like that, but your guess is as good as mine.

Speaking of that beacon, was a little disappointed that the side quest for that went nowhere really.

[Jeremy Winston]

No.. look at 4:29 of that exact video. THAT is what the Protheans look like.

The collector is shown at 4:33.  I would LOVE to know what is at 4:31.

Modifié par Jeremy Winston, 09 février 2010 - 11:01 .

[DeadlyParasite]

masseffect.neoseeker.com/w/i/masseffect/thumb/5/54/Prothean.jpg/300px-Prothean.jpg

ONCE AGAIN, THE PROTHEANS WERE MODIFIED.

[Draconis6666]

FFS the protheans do NOT LOOK LIKE COLLECTORS the collector you see in the beacon is a prothean message warning of the collectors. If you freeze frame the rest of the message or the original message in ME 1 you can clearly see protheans and they look almost NOTHING like collectors.

[jimmyjoefro]

I can't believe how hard this is for so many to comprehend.

1. Reapers show up.
2. They indoctrinate Protheans, like they did Saren and Benezia.
3. They try to make Reaper out them, it fails.
4. They decide to put the Protheans that are left to a different use.
5. After a while, the Reapers realize they need to make some changes to the Proteans because the longer a being is indoctrinated, the more useless they become.
6. They add some cybernetics to the Protheans. Presumably, this is where they developed the husk tech.
7. Eventually, the cybernetics aren't enough, so the Reepers decide to completely re-engineer the Protheans genetic material until all that remains intact is a single strand of DNA.
8. The Collectors are "born".

We can assume that the original purpose of the Collectors was to aid in rounding up the rest of the Protheans.  This would make them an obvious threat, worthy of inclusion in the warning that is sent out from Ilos.

Modifié par jimmyjoefro, 09 février 2010 - 11:06 .

[konart1s34]

http://lancemannion...._davy_jones.jpg

this.

[Saint Op]

jimmyjoefro wrote...

I can't believe how hard this is for so many to comprehend.

1. Reapers show up.
2. They indoctrinate Protheans, like they did Saren and Benezia.
3. They try to make Reaper out them, it fails.
4. They decide to put the Protheans that are left to a different use.
5. After a while, the Reapers realize they need to make some changes to the Proteans because the longer a being is indoctrinated, the more useless they become.
6. They add some cybernetics to the Protheans. Presumably, this is where they developed the husk tech.
7. Eventually, the cybernetics aren't enough, so the Reepers decide to completely re-engineer the Protheans genetic material until all that remains intact is a single strand of DNA.
8. The Collectors are "born".

We can assume that the original purpose of the Collectors was to aid in rounding up the rest of the Protheans.  This would make them an obvious threat, worthy of inclusion in the warning that is sent out from Ilos.

I think the collectors were around way before that, they were known to collect odd animals n such as stated early in the game.  It was also said they have alot of unidentified dna in them and very little Prothean DNA.  My opinion of them is they do and always have done the reapers ground work and are a mix of a very large number of things.

[jimmyjoefro]

Saint Op wrote...

jimmyjoefro wrote...

I can't believe how hard this is for so many to comprehend.

1. Reapers show up.
2. They indoctrinate Protheans, like they did Saren and Benezia.
3. They try to make Reaper out them, it fails.
4. They decide to put the Protheans that are left to a different use.
5. After a while, the Reapers realize they need to make some changes to the Proteans because the longer a being is indoctrinated, the more useless they become.
6. They add some cybernetics to the Protheans. Presumably, this is where they developed the husk tech.
7. Eventually, the cybernetics aren't enough, so the Reepers decide to completely re-engineer the Protheans genetic material until all that remains intact is a single strand of DNA.
8. The Collectors are "born".

We can assume that the original purpose of the Collectors was to aid in rounding up the rest of the Protheans.  This would make them an obvious threat, worthy of inclusion in the warning that is sent out from Ilos.

I think the collectors were around way before that, they were known to collect odd animals n such as stated early in the game.  It was also said they have alot of unidentified dna in them and very little Prothean DNA.  My opinion of them is they do and always have done the reapers ground work and are a mix of a very large number of things.

They collected odd specimens from different species post-Protheans, in "modern" civilization.  There's nothing that hints at them existing pre-Prothean.

[Trystane75]

In the current "Food Pyramid" devised by the USDA potato(e)s are included in the vegetable category. I hope this clears the most important topic in this thread up ;-)



About Protheans and Colectors... all is being said, they dont look the same, dont wanna repeat.

[FoxMcKalen]

Jeremy Winston wrote...

Guys... from ME2 Codex Prothean Husk

There we go. Looks just like the statues on Ilos, only with more lights and metal.

[Stoko981]

For all we know, the Reapers create a new set of Collectors every cycle. I mean, there's nothing to hint that the Omega-4 relay is any newer than any of the others. Which implies the whole "secret base at the centre of the galaxy" thing is similarly aged. Perhaps if each new Reaper is made of one of the current species, the Collectors that collect that species are always made of the preceding species?

[JaegerBane]

Tassigny wrote...

jimmyjoefro wrote...

The Collectors are not Protheans. There's only one strand of similar DNA between them.

They are protheans. Play the game, read codex, do N7 missions. Protheans were modified. That doesn't imply their aspect changed. As proved in N7 beacon mission, they didn't.

I'm not really sure what happens in the mission you speak of that proves the Protheans looked like Collectors. A Collector is actually shown in the vision, yes.... at the same point Sovereign was shown in the original vision. Unless you're also claiming protheans actually looked like Reapers too then I'm not really sure what your point is. All that proves is that the Protheans were aware of what the Reapers were doing.

Hell, the vision itself has protheans in it. They look just like the statues on Ilos.

[Proodle]

I think Bioware are going to leave it to our imaginations. Sure, we have a very vague idea from the visions in ME1. But I doubt we'll see a clear front, back and side view of your average Prothean. It adds to their whole mystique.

[Jeremy Winston]

Actually... I've reviewed that video carefully. It might actually be showing a transition from Prothean to Collector. When you see the Prothean, it looks like there is something else... maybe another body to the left. A few seconds later you see the collector with, again, something similar (but more collector looking) on the left.



Perhaps you're watching a message telling you that they're being turned into collectors. I realize that it would take years or generations for that to happen, so it's confusing to me, yet that is what the video seems to show.

[Stoko981]

Jeremy Winston wrote...

Actually... I've reviewed that video carefully. It might actually be showing a transition from Prothean to Collector. When you see the Prothean, it looks like there is something else... maybe another body to the left. A few seconds later you see the collector with, again, something similar (but more collector looking) on the left.

Perhaps you're watching a message telling you that they're being turned into collectors. I realize that it would take years or generations for that to happen, so it's confusing to me, yet that is what the video seems to show.

Why would it take years or generations? I know it's not the same thing, but for example, the transformation of human to husk takes what, half an hour? Less? Saren's transformation from turian to super-hopper-turian-Husk thing took minutes. The Protheans that became Collectors were already totally indoctrinated by that point. They'd willingly submit to whatever procedures were necessary.

They didn't naturally evolve into the Collectors, they were repurposed by the Reapers. Deliberately altered, all at once. Which would be how a normal Prothean managed to include an image of them in a beacon warning. Also, notice how the warning wasn't in a beacon, it was in a Prothean console? Personally, I'm guessing it was a warning recorded to be uploaded to the beacon network, but for some reason it wasn't. Which explains why it was only on that one world in that one console, and not in all the other beacons we encountered before.

[Chuvvy]

Everyone here is missing the fact that the Illusive man is a Prothean.

[JaegerBane]

Jeremy Winston wrote...

Actually... I've reviewed that video carefully. It might actually be showing a transition from Prothean to Collector. When you see the Prothean, it looks like there is something else... maybe another body to the left. A few seconds later you see the collector with, again, something similar (but more collector looking) on the left.

Perhaps you're watching a message telling you that they're being turned into collectors. I realize that it would take years or generations for that to happen, so it's confusing to me, yet that is what the video seems to show.

I guessed it was just a warning about Reapers and Collectors. I didn't think the Collector was shown in the same place the Reaper is shown in ME1 was coincidence.

It's interesting to realise why that Prothean was screaming in pain during the vision. Prothean melting. Urgh.

[Psychotic Prankster]

jimmyjoefro wrote...


3. They try to make Reaper out them, it fails.

It failed?  must have missed that bit of the cutscene. I thought that Harbinger was the Prothean Reaper which allows him to take control of the collectors because they used to be Protheans. Thats what Mass Effect wiki said anyway. 

Modifié par Psychotic Prankster, 10 février 2010 - 12:01 .