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[EricHVela]

EA'll fix it in a DLC.

[Vengeful Nature]

Did anyone else get the impression that the chitinous armour that Collectors have is a sort of environment suit that they have sort of "merged" with? Probably speculating, though. It would be kind of like the aliens from Independance Day. If you tore away at a Collector enough you might be able to see more or less what they looked like before the Reapers.



The Reapers genetically engineered them then stuck them all in biomechanical suits. Over time, they became symbiotic and eventually merged. It would explain why they look so drastically different: any amount of genetic change wouldn't make you look like a completely different species, would it? Genes determine hair, eye, skin colour, etc, not if you have a bug-like chitinous head or not.

[KPnuts123]

Slidell505 wrote

Everyone here is missing the fact that the Illusive man is a Prothean

Someone else who thinks like I do.

LoganMalone wrote...

Tooneyman wrote...

In Mass Effect Universe. I would love to actually see a real prothean. I'm hoping by ME 3. We can see what the prothean's actually look like. No they are not the collectors. I'm hoping they look like the grey aliens from Roswell. That would be Awesome!

Here is a real pic of a Prothean I found...very hard to find too.



No, wait....I'm sorry. That's a photo of Tali'Zorah nar Rayya.  

*Hands over flame shield*

Here take my flame shield.  You may need it for that comment. 

[jimmyjoefro]

Psychotic Prankster wrote...

jimmyjoefro wrote...


3. They try to make Reaper out them, it fails.

It failed?  must have missed that bit of the cutscene. I thought that Harbinger was the Prothean Reaper which allows him to take control of the collectors because they used to be Protheans. Thats what Mass Effect wiki said anyway. 

Yes it failed. It's explained that the Reapers were unable to make Protheans into Reapers.

Harbinger is not a Prothean Reaper. What gave you that idea?

Harbinger just took control of the Collectors like Sovereign took control of Saren.  

[samusfan]

The only theory, in my eyes, that seems to take into account all of the little tidbits of info we're thrown in ME1 and ME2 is this:



The Protheans originally looked like squid-beards as in the pic above. The Reapers came and began their process of wiping out all life, including the Protheans. The Protheans make the beacons which are a warning message to the future races of the galaxy, warning of the Reapers. They also create a message (much like a beacon) that is warning about the Collectors also. The Protheans were aware of what was happening (their genetic code was being altered by the Reapers to create a subservient slave race) and made that warning.



Since the genocide of the Protheans took centuries, it's very likely that they could have seen the results of the Reapers' genetic experiments (the Collectors) "face to face", thus being able to make the warning message.

[jimmyjoefro]

The beacon message was sent out by the scientists on Ilos after they were brought back to life by Vigil. This was centuries after the initial Reaper attack began. Vigil says that they didn't even know if anyone else was still alive, but they felt they had to at least send out a warning just in case. They were taking a risk in sending out the message. It could have been intercepted by the Reapers, which would have lead them straight to Ilos.  

The beacon was never meant to aid future species, that's just something that happened. The Protheans intentional way of helping future civilization was "reprogramming" the Keepers to ignore Sovereign's signal.

Modifié par jimmyjoefro, 10 février 2010 - 01:09 .

[Jeremy Winston]

I seem to recall that it was decades and not centuries.

[DBHolm]

Tassigny wrote...

jimmyjoefro wrote...

The Collectors are not Protheans. There's only one strand of similar DNA between them.

They are protheans. Play the game, read codex, do N7 missions. Protheans were modified. That doesn't imply their aspect changed. As proved in N7 beacon mission, they didn't.

Stop being wrong.

[SuperZombieChow]

JaegerBane wrote...

SuperZombieChow wrote...

JaegerBane wrote...

SuperZombieChow wrote...

Who says the statues on Ilos were of the Protheans? That ruin could be older then the protheans, after all, simply re-purposed by the Protheans when they got there.

Do you actually have any evidence to support this? I mean, seriously, do we ever hear *anything* in either game which even makes any reference to anything like this at all?

Not mention, if it were just an older ruin...why did the Protheans send out a message which depicted this other, apparently older race, running away from Reapers, rather than themselves?

The shot of the "Prothean Husk" from the codex on page 3 is what really punches holes in the theory. I was simply providing it as a possible reason why the Collectors and the Protheans look so drastically different despite one being descended from the other.

I'm not sure waht you mean. What theory? The theory that the statues on Ilos are not Protheans?

Correct. It seemed like a simple way to reconcile the drastically different appearance of the Collectors and the Statues on Ilos. Still, if that image is of a "Prothean Husk" per the codex then I was clearly wrong; I'm not afraid to admit it.

[FOSTER FREEZE1212]

Tassigny wrote...

Hello,
The Protheans are collectors. Proof in side quest with prothean extinction beacon.

where is this side quest?
 

[jimmyjoefro]

Jeremy Winston wrote...

I seem to recall that it was decades and not centuries.

"But the genocide of an entire species is a long, slow process. Years passed. Decades, centuries. The Reapers persisted. And my energy preserves were dwindling." - Vigil

Modifié par jimmyjoefro, 10 février 2010 - 01:37 .

[Jeremy Winston]

Oops. Ok. Centuries.

[Oawa]

I'd think, since Shepard still has the Prothean cipher in his head, he would atleast have had a "deja vu" type feeling once he saw the Collectors, if they did still in fact look like Protheans, but....he didn't seem to flinch at all when you see the vid of the Collectors on Freedom's Progress.

[Tychu9]

Tooneyman wrote...

I'm sorry but in the long run. The collectors are no longer the Protheans. PAy attention in the game and yes I saw the side vision. It didn't prove anything all I saw was this..

Sorry but thats an Ood.  Thats od.  No  Ood

Modifié par Tychu9, 10 février 2010 - 01:52 .

[Rykimaruh]

The vision from the beacon is not saying those were the protheans, its saying what they become...

[androshalforc]

heres a theory that i havent seen yet there is no evidence (as far as i am aware) that says that the collectors were not around Before the protheons. suppose the reapers created the collectors well before the protheons and modified them whenever a new species showed a genetic trait that the reapers deemed worth keeping thus the keepers could have been a first generation version of the collectors that the reapers felt no need to improve upon since no one suspected that they were in fact EVIL.

Modifié par androshalforc, 10 février 2010 - 02:04 .

[bsparky16]

Br0th3rGr1mm wrote...

CdnNinja wrote...

Technically they are the collectors, but they've been changed so much that you can't really consider them to be anymore. It's like calling a potato chip a vegetable. Sure that's where it came from, but it's far from one anymore. At least in my opinion...

Errr...potatoes aren't vegetables to begin with...analogy failure.

Let me help you out.  It's like calling a Ford Mustang a sports car.  Technically it is, but at the lowest common denominator.

At 550 horsepower and $52,000 sticker, the Shelby GT500 is the best bang for your buck sports car on the market.  And it's a Ford Mustang.  So.  We need a new analogy.

[Jeremy Winston]

bsparky16 wrote...

Br0th3rGr1mm wrote...

CdnNinja wrote...

Technically they are the collectors, but they've been changed so much that you can't really consider them to be anymore. It's like calling a potato chip a vegetable. Sure that's where it came from, but it's far from one anymore. At least in my opinion...

Errr...potatoes aren't vegetables to begin with...analogy failure.

Let me help you out.  It's like calling a Ford Mustang a sports car.  Technically it is, but at the lowest common denominator.

At 550 horsepower and $52,000 sticker, the Shelby GT500 is the best bang for your buck sports car on the market.  And it's a Ford Mustang.  So.  We need a new analogy.

I think his point was that a Ford Mustang isn't 'just' a sports car.

[Garuda One]

I skimmed this thread and have this to say.



The Collectors are more then one species, EDI was only able to find traces of the Prothean race out of the DNA because it was the only thing she could recognizing out of the entire DNA strand, leading us to believe that there is more then just Prothean inside the Collectors. Yes in Mass Effect 2 we do see a vision of what use to be Prothean now are the Collectors but it's meant to be seen more figurative then anything else because again there is more then just Prothean inside the Collectors. Protheans can be seen on Illos in the first game, they are the dried husk that are sitting every were. In Mass Effect 2 codex we can see that there is a picture of a Prothean Husk but it's now activated which has lead to the speculation that a future DLC will be going back to Illos or at least confronting these Prothean Husk.



And that will probably be the closes thing will ever see to a Prothean but still if you listen to Vigil he never states that all the Protheans are dead the ones that were alive could still very well be alive but it's extremely unlikely. If the Reapers were never able to find the secret base on Illos were Vigil and the entire complex of once in stasis Protheans are then there could very well be, even more of these hidden bases and possibly living Protheans in stasis still in the Milky Way Galaxy.

[BattleVisor]

Comparing protheans to collectors



is like comparing tomatoes to ketchup

[Landline]

Anyone remember the talk you have with Mordin about the Collectors and Protheans?



"No glands, replaced by tech. No digestive system, replaced by tech. No soul, replaced by tech. Whatever they were, gone forever."

[BattleVisor]

Landline wrote...

Anyone remember the talk you have with Mordin about the Collectors and Protheans?

"No glands, replaced by tech. No digestive system, replaced by tech. No soul, replaced by tech. Whatever they were, gone forever."

Dude I already explained...tomato and ketchup

[Sn0wst0rm]

Garuda One wrote...

I skimmed this thread and have this to say.

The Collectors are more then one species, EDI was only able to find traces of the Prothean race out of the DNA because it was the only thing she could recognizing out of the entire DNA strand, leading us to believe that there is more then just Prothean inside the Collectors. Yes in Mass Effect 2 we do see a vision of what use to be Prothean now are the Collectors but it's meant to be seen more figurative then anything else because again there is more then just Prothean inside the Collectors. Protheans can be seen on Illos in the first game, they are the dried husk that are sitting every were. In Mass Effect 2 codex we can see that there is a picture of a Prothean Husk but it's now activated which has lead to the speculation that a future DLC will be going back to Illos or at least confronting these Prothean Husk.

And that will probably be the closes thing will ever see to a Prothean but still if you listen to Vigil he never states that all the Protheans are dead the ones that were alive could still very well be alive but it's extremely unlikely. If the Reapers were never able to find the secret base on Illos were Vigil and the entire complex of once in stasis Protheans are then there could very well be, even more of these hidden bases and possibly living Protheans in stasis still in the Milky Way Galaxy.

There were no husks on Ilos, those were statues. The Reapers did not find Ilos until the events of Mass Effect.  Vigil assumes all the Protheans are dead because the only ones that were believed to be alive were the dozen scientists that visited the Citadel after the Reapers left and altered the Keeper's to prevent the Activation of the Citadel Relay during the Reapers next cycle. They determined that their genetic diversity was not significant enough to sustain their race, and without food or water on the Citadel assumes that they died there.

[The Shadow Broker]

you can see a protean in your codec. they look like the husk but with some kind of breath mask.bit dissapointing compared with the statues you saw on Illos.