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Sn0wst0rm wrote...

Garuda One wrote...

I skimmed this thread and have this to say.

The Collectors are more then one species, EDI was only able to find traces of the Prothean race out of the DNA because it was the only thing she could recognizing out of the entire DNA strand, leading us to believe that there is more then just Prothean inside the Collectors. Yes in Mass Effect 2 we do see a vision of what use to be Prothean now are the Collectors but it's meant to be seen more figurative then anything else because again there is more then just Prothean inside the Collectors. Protheans can be seen on Illos in the first game, they are the dried husk that are sitting every were. In Mass Effect 2 codex we can see that there is a picture of a Prothean Husk but it's now activated which has lead to the speculation that a future DLC will be going back to Illos or at least confronting these Prothean Husk.

And that will probably be the closes thing will ever see to a Prothean but still if you listen to Vigil he never states that all the Protheans are dead the ones that were alive could still very well be alive but it's extremely unlikely. If the Reapers were never able to find the secret base on Illos were Vigil and the entire complex of once in stasis Protheans are then there could very well be, even more of these hidden bases and possibly living Protheans in stasis still in the Milky Way Galaxy.


There were no husks on Ilos, those were statues. The Reapers did not find Ilos until the events of Mass Effect.  Vigil assumes all the Protheans are dead because the only ones that were believed to be alive were the dozen scientists that visited the Citadel after the Reapers left and altered the Keeper's to prevent the Activation of the Citadel Relay during the Reapers next cycle. They determined that their genetic diversity was not significant enough to sustain their race, and without food or water on the Citadel assumes that they died there.


There not statues, the evidence is there for the fact that those said "statues" you claim to say they are, are in fact the same "statues" they show on the new Codex when you look under Prothean. So you are to tell me those "statues" are glowing blue and appear to be husk? There husk, I'm not going to sit and argue over the internet, again today, it's like talking to a stubborn child or better yet a wall. If you load up your Mass Effect game, go to Illos and closely examine them they are exactly like husk, they have wiring and tubes and the whole nine yards. Are you to tell me the Protheans went outside and made statues while Reapers were looking under every nook and cranny to find them and were like "Lol dur makin statues, lawlz lets wait till dur dun"

And again like I said in my first post about Illos, it's highly unlikely anyone from the Illos station is alive but one could be lead to believe that there could still be hidden facilities on other planets in the Milkey Way Galaxy like the hidden facility on Illos, again Vigil on his own terms concluded that it's unlikely because the only Protheans he know were the ones that created him and the ones he had to take care of. Vigil only knows what goes on inside his "planet" per say, he has no idea wether or not there are more in stasis on other planets.

Again, I'm throwing out what I've been looking into for awhile. You can agree with me or not agree, again Im to tired to sit and argue on a paradox thread about who's right and who's wrong.

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Are the same exact thing. The new Codex image of the Prothean is the husked Protheans we see on Illos in the first game,
they've been heavily modified indicating possibly that Bioware has plans for us to go back to Illos. The background for the new image of what Protheans look like is from Illos,
those structures are the ones from Illos. They aren't statues there husk. If this isn't evidence enough then stop smoking the peace pipe and get your head out of your ****

Modifié par Garuda One, 10 février 2010 - 03:34 .


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Yeah ... a Prothean pic is in the Codex. Do most people still read the codex anymore? Like it or not, we have an in-game explanation and pic of what the Protheans looked like and what happened to them.

The pic from the codex has already been posted. You can find the pic again here along with info on the Protheans according to ME2...

http://masseffect.wi...m/wiki/Prothean

Edit:  For those of you who argue the pic is a Husk and not a real Prothean ... simply compare what a human husk looks like in comparison to a normal human.  There are enough similarities (minus hair, etc. in the case of humans) that you can have a reasonable idea what form a Husk-altered being was before its transformation.

Modifié par Zayin, 10 février 2010 - 03:22 .


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I can't believe this topic is even still under discussion. There are images, videos, and even in-game exposition all explaining that the Protheans looked like humans with tentacle beards and were turned into what we know as the Collectors. How much clearer can Bioware get?

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The Shelf wrote...

I can't believe this topic is even still under discussion. There are images, videos, and even in-game exposition all explaining that the Protheans looked like humans with tentacle beards and were turned into what we know as the Collectors. How much clearer can Bioware get?


^This

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LoganMalone wrote...

No, wait....I'm sorry. That's a photo of Tali'Zorah nar Rayya.  :o



Who is that?

What we really need to see is a picture of Tali'Zorah vas Nema. Because I bet she's HOT.

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Big Bald dudes (before modification).


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I think we should have more discussions on what the definition of a vegetable is.

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Oh my... I'm kinda tired of all these people coming up with the idea that Protheans looked exactly as Collectors all of a sudden.

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DuffyMJ wrote...

loudent3 wrote...

ohupthis wrote...

DeadlyParasite wrote...

The Collectors were explained to have bits of Prothean DNA but EDI also stated that their physical structure is no longer the same.

So while the Collectors ARE former Protheans, it's not what they looked like.


For the most part, I, prefer NOT to agree with most of you humans, however, This is correct^^^^.


This what we all think is correct, until we do the n7 mission where the original look of the protheans is revealed.....they look just like collectors. The physical outward appearances of the collectors IS what the prothean's looked like.

I was disappointed too, but there it is.


For the ump-teenth time, that was a prothean warning about the collectors.  The collector image is shown instead of the charging reaper in the original vision from ME1.  It's a warning, not a "hey this is what we look like guys, just a heads up".

Actually....... It isn't. These collectors wern't made untill Prothean culture was destoryed (before the becons where made), in the final mission, questioning EDI, she tells you that the "collectors" came to be after they were determined to be failures for reaper material. Virgil makes no mention of "collectors", only the use of indocturnated Protheans, which BTW, where not physically altured, because they would infultrate hidden Prothean Refugee camps.

After further research, I have yet to find any evidance to support there were a collector race before the Protheans. In none of the lore, Protheans have no tales of a "collector" race, but they mention the Keepers.

Liria tells you that most of the vision will make no sense to you, that your (shepard) and Prothean minds are way differant, its quit possible BW put blurry huminoid figures to show this, and to keep the twist in ME2 from getting spoiled. The N7 mission clearly shows one of those blurry humanoid figures turn into a Prothean/collector, he wasn't attacking, he was one of the ones in the destruction.I'm sure in M# there will be another becon to make even more sence, even possibly tell the full stoy of their destruction.

Besides, why do people find it hard to believe that Protheans were intelligant bugs?

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WarmachineX0 wrote...

DuffyMJ wrote...

loudent3 wrote...

ohupthis wrote...

DeadlyParasite wrote...

The Collectors were explained to have bits of Prothean DNA but EDI also stated that their physical structure is no longer the same.

So while the Collectors ARE former Protheans, it's not what they looked like.


For the most part, I, prefer NOT to agree with most of you humans, however, This is correct^^^^.


This what we all think is correct, until we do the n7 mission where the original look of the protheans is revealed.....they look just like collectors. The physical outward appearances of the collectors IS what the prothean's looked like.

I was disappointed too, but there it is.


For the ump-teenth time, that was a prothean warning about the collectors.  The collector image is shown instead of the charging reaper in the original vision from ME1.  It's a warning, not a "hey this is what we look like guys, just a heads up".

Actually....... It isn't. These collectors wern't made untill Prothean culture was destoryed (before the becons where made), in the final mission, questioning EDI, she tells you that the "collectors" came to be after they were determined to be failures for reaper material. Virgil makes no mention of "collectors", only the use of indocturnated Protheans, which BTW, where not physically altured, because they would infultrate hidden Prothean Refugee camps.

After further research, I have yet to find any evidance to support there were a collector race before the Protheans. In none of the lore, Protheans have no tales of a "collector" race, but they mention the Keepers.

Liria tells you that most of the vision will make no sense to you, that your (shepard) and Prothean minds are way differant, its quit possible BW put blurry huminoid figures to show this, and to keep the twist in ME2 from getting spoiled. The N7 mission clearly shows one of those blurry humanoid figures turn into a Prothean/collector, he wasn't attacking, he was one of the ones in the destruction.I'm sure in M# there will be another becon to make even more sence, even possibly tell the full stoy of their destruction.

Besides, why do people find it hard to believe that Protheans were intelligant bugs?

First of all - it's "Vigil".

And I have a question for you... Do you actually listen to what NPCs tell you ingame? Because EDI clearly states, that Protheans were altered to the point where ONLY ONE STRAND of DNA remained Prothean. ONE STRAND. Do you really think that Collectors, having only one Prothean strand of DNA, look exactly like Protheans?

And do you, dear sir, by any chance read the Codex? If you don't, then I strongly recommend doing so. Oh, what wonderful revelations await you there!

PS. Guys it really seems pointeless. Those who pay little to no attention to dialogs/codex/visions/wiki will believe that Protheans were "intelligant bugs" no matter what we say here.

Modifié par Melisenta, 10 février 2010 - 07:29 .


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CdnNinja wrote...

Technically they are the collectors, but they've been changed so much that you can't really consider them to be anymore. It's like calling a potato chip a vegetable. Sure that's where it came from, but it's far from one anymore. At least in my opinion...

dude thats the perfect comparison lol, im gonna start using it lol

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.. The Protheans look like your mum.

That's right, your mum gave birth to an intergalatic species that got their arses kicked by the Reapers.

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I forgot what side mission it was... but on one of the planets where there is a prothean artifact. You revisit your ME1 BLOOD+MACHINE visions and the collectors are shown in it for whatever thats worth.

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So which ones were the real Protheans? The spindly humanoids seen in Shepard's vision and as the statues of Ilos, or the insects of ME2? Were the spindly humanoids turned into bugs by the Reapers? If so, why was the beacon vision retconned to have one of the bugs in it in ME2?

Hm... There's also a picture of a "spindly humanoid" Prothean Husk in the ME2 codex...

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Melisenta wrote...

First of all - it's "Vigil".

And I have a question for you... Do you actually listen to what NPCs tell you ingame? Because EDI clearly states, that Protheans were altered to the point where ONLY ONE STRAND of DNA remained Prothean. ONE STRAND. Do you really think that Collectors, having only one Prothean strand of DNA, look exactly like Protheans?

And do you, dear sir, by any chance read the Codex? If you don't, then I strongly recommend doing so. Oh, what wonderful revelations await you there!

PS. Guys it really seems pointeless. Those who pay little to no attention to dialogs/codex/visions/wiki will believe that Protheans were "intelligant bugs" no matter what we say here.

Quite frankly, yes. Humans have 12 strands of DNA, whos to say how many the Protheans had. Its also used in how we develop and grow. Morden says the the junk DNA was removed, seeing as all collectors are all clones with most systems replaced with cybernetics, most of the DNA would be junk then. besides, being a machine race based on reson, what purpose whould changing their appeariance serve? It all likelyhood, it would be the onlything not changed.

As for the stauesm who's to say they where prothean, Seattle has statues of pigs along the roads, I'd hate to see the confusion of an alien race that landed there after humanity disappeared. In all likelyhood, BW just used those to keep us in the dark. As for the visions, the N7 one focused one into a collector, all the becons where designed to lead us to Vigil, yet Vigil makes no mention of collectors.

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Ugh. Some people just will not come to terms with the fact that the Protheans looked nothing like the Collectors.



Collectors being in the Prothean beacon message does not mean all the previous images of Protheans were, in fact, not Protheans. Given the nature of the message, it's obviously a warning of the Collectors.



Why is this all so confusing?

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jimmyjoefro wrote...

Ugh. Some people just will not come to terms with the fact that the Protheans looked nothing like the Collectors.

Collectors being in the Prothean beacon message does not mean all the previous images of Protheans were, in fact, not Protheans. Given the nature of the message, it's obviously a warning of the Collectors.

Why is this all so confusing?

It becomes confusing because the becon are suppose to lead to Vigil, yet he makes no mention of collectors. Its odd that Vigil can account for the time that the reapers wiped out the Protheans, but no mention of collectors, and that wouldn't have even been a spoiler, as they are know from the begining of ME2.  BTW, if the prothean image was so cut and dry, why did Bioware scramble Vigil's image?

Really, why is it so hard to believe?

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The Collectors aren't Protheans, rather they were once Protheans who were then twisted and modified to serves as slaves for the Reapers. If you need any more proof, then just look at the Codex. The picture for the Protheans shows the same shape that we've seen in the visions, and in the statues on Ilos.

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WarmachineX0 wrote...

jimmyjoefro wrote...

Ugh. Some people just will not come to terms with the fact that the Protheans looked nothing like the Collectors.

Collectors being in the Prothean beacon message does not mean all the previous images of Protheans were, in fact, not Protheans. Given the nature of the message, it's obviously a warning of the Collectors.

Why is this all so confusing?

It becomes confusing because the becon are suppose to lead to Vigil, yet he makes no mention of collectors. Its odd that Vigil can account for the time that the reapers wiped out the Protheans, but no mention of collectors, and that wouldn't have even been a spoiler, as they are know from the begining of ME2.  BTW, if the prothean image was so cut and dry, why did Bioware scramble Vigil's image?

Really, why is it so hard to believe?


Why do you say the message leads to Vigil?  Anyway, it seems pretty obvious that the reason Vigil doesn't mention Collectors is because they didn't exist.  What I mean is, the writers did make them up yet.  They're an addition made up for ME2.  There's nothing in ME1 that even hints at the mention of the Collectors. Why? Because they hadn't been thought of yet. Just like the Drell, Vorcha, etc..

The message isn't scrambled.  It's like that to portray the idea that it's only comprehensible by Protheans.  Shepard couldn't make sense of it until Shiala have him the Cipher after being released by the Thorian.

You need to get the story straight.

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They have face tentacles....enough said.

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WarmachineX0 wrote...

 BTW, if the prothean image was so cut and dry, why did Bioware scramble Vigil's image?

Really, why is it so hard to believe?


A good explanation for the scrambled image could be the hardware just... crapping out. Image IPB

And the Protheans looking like the Collectors is hard to believe because of the images provided in the game codex and the countless dead husks/tentaclefacedstatues littering Ilos. Say if they are just statues even then it's really hard to believe that they would have them modeled after another species unless they really adore a dark and grim artstyle. Image IPB

 Everything that made the Protheans what they were and recognizable is gone, including their looks, save for a strand of DNA. Image IPB

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I can't believe all the fuss and people so sure on both sides.  All you have to do is open up ME2, go to "Codex->Primary->Aliens: Non-Council Races". and "Aliens: Extinct Races".

The visions can be confusing, but the statues in ME1 don't look like Collectors, and they do look like the Prothean codex picture, mostly.  Is the picture in the codex wrong, and from some race other than the Protheans that the Protheans also made statues of?

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It would be nice, yes. Also, y'know, there's enough Prothean DNA around, it seems, that someone could do a project to clone a viable population, and bring them back, as it were. No real reason to do so, but it would be kind of cool, and after all, if it wasn't for the Protheans, galactic civilization would have been wiped out years ago when Sovereign made the call.

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The becon lead Saran and Shepard to Illos, where Vigil was waiting, they where made by the scientists of Illos, leads me to beleive that was one of the intended responses. Why would a holografic VI be set up to work with peoples mind, but the distorted image would be considered a plot tool, it seems to hold no value at first (easilly attributed to damage or age), but would serve the purpose of not showing what a prothean looked like so not to spoil them being collectors. Considering that it was the scientists of Illos that made the becons, Vigil would have known about the collectors.



Its even possible Illos was the home world of another spieces, would make more sense for the reapers not finding the facility.





As for the story, the triligy has been written, no way they would write the main story on the fly (their producers would have wanted to see it before the go ahead to start). Side missions, extras, and stuff to diversify the missions (along with approved changes to main parts) would be added on the fly.

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jgoemat wrote...

I can't believe all the fuss and people so sure on both sides.  All you have to do is open up ME2, go to "Codex->Primary->Aliens: Non-Council Races". and "Aliens: Extinct Races".

The visions can be confusing, but the statues in ME1 don't look like Collectors, and they do look like the Prothean codex picture, mostly.  Is the picture in the codex wrong, and from some race other than the Protheans that the Protheans also made statues of?

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The Codex has been mentioned in this thread several times already. But nooooo... some still believe that Protheans were "intelligant bugs".<_<