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[Lord_Metal666]

The amount of stupid in this thread is amazing.

[Alien1099]

Lord_Metal666 wrote...

The amount of stupid in this thread is amazing.

Indeed.

1) Your best look at a Prothean is in the ME2 codex. Goto extinct races. Click on Protheans. Otherwise look at the statues on Ilos in ME1.

2) The Collectors may have originally been/come from the Protheans but they are no more Protheans than brocolli is cabbage. Same thing. Cabbage was changed on a genetic level overtime through selective breeding to produce brocolli. Protheans were changed (no idea how long it took) by the reapers to suit their needs thus ending up as the Collectors after all of their modification.

3) The 3rd beacon is subjective. I interpret it to be forshadowing/warning of the protheans becoming the collectors (I'm pretty sure I stumbled on that mission before I hit the collector ship).

Modifié par Alien1099, 10 février 2010 - 10:25 .

[Melisenta]

WarmachineX0 wrote...
Its even possible Illos was the home world of another spieces, would make more sense for the reapers not finding the facility.

OK, after reading this one I find it hard taking your posts seriously.

[Tooneyman]

Saint Op wrote...

jimmyjoefro wrote...

I can't believe how hard this is for so many to comprehend.

1. Reapers show up.
2. They indoctrinate Protheans, like they did Saren and Benezia.
3. They try to make Reaper out them, it fails.
4. They decide to put the Protheans that are left to a different use.
5. After a while, the Reapers realize they need to make some changes to the Proteans because the longer a being is indoctrinated, the more useless they become.
6. They add some cybernetics to the Protheans. Presumably, this is where they developed the husk tech.
7. Eventually, the cybernetics aren't enough, so the Reepers decide to completely re-engineer the Protheans genetic material until all that remains intact is a single strand of DNA.
8. The Collectors are "born".

We can assume that the original purpose of the Collectors was to aid in rounding up the rest of the Protheans.  This would make them an obvious threat, worthy of inclusion in the warning that is sent out from Ilos.

I think the collectors were around way before that, they were known to collect odd animals n such as stated early in the game.  It was also said they have alot of unidentified dna in them and very little Prothean DNA.  My opinion of them is they do and always have done the reapers ground work and are a mix of a very large number of things.

Actually that brings up a good point you say the Collectors could have been apart of the reapers plans the whole time. Hmm, I'm wondering if the first reapers where made from the keepers now. OR what I'm getting from you is the collectors are all types of beings. Not just one. They are many like the master collector keeps saying every time he possess one of the collectors in the game during combat!

[TWM-ARTT]

You meet a VI Prothean in ME1, I think that's how a Prothean looks like without genetic Reeper modivications (Collectors).

[IbramSkyheart]

"While exploring an apparently derelict Collector ship, it is discovered that the Collectors share a quad-strand genetic structure unique to the Protheans that shows signs of "extensive genetic rewrite:" three fewer chromosomes, reduced heterochromatin structure, and the elimination of superfluous junk sequences. According to EDI, the Protheans have been genetically repurposed to suit the needs of the Reapers.



During an optional mission on Joab you can find a Prothean artifact which shows the same images as the Beacon did, but this time, with a Collector clearly visible at the end of the vision. Eventually, while studying data on the Collectors in the lab aboard the SSV Normandy SR-2, Mordin Solus determines that the Reapers indoctrinated the Protheans and compensated for their growing lack of ability due to prolonged indoctrination through cybernetic modifications and eventually the transformation into Collectors"

[KennethAFTopp]

Prothean http://images.elfwoo.../mindflayer.jpg  

Modifié par KennethAFTopp, 10 février 2010 - 04:00 .

[durasteel]

The Reapers simply used prothean DNA as the building material for Collectors. EDI specifically tells you that they don't even have the same number of chromosomes. The collector shown in the beacon is simply part of the warning - likely another enclave of protheans survived the Reaper genocide long enough to include the collectors in their warning to other survivors or to future sentient species.

If a hyper-advanced race took human DNA and made an eight-legged saber-toothed cyborg tiger out of it to prey upon human survivors, it would be a close analog to the fate of the prothean genome.

Modifié par durasteel, 10 février 2010 - 06:48 .

[SarEnyaDor]

That vision showed that the Protheans became the Collectors, not that the Collectors were exactly the same as the Protheans.



I liked the potato chip analogy.

[Tooneyman]

I also like the fact potato's can power light bulds. I'm wondering if the.. Noo wait, wait, wait. The protheans did power the reapers. They became one too. Yeah that makes sense totally. Bacially the same thing.

[WoodWizzard87]

DeadlyParasite wrote...

The Collectors were explained to have bits of Prothean DNA but EDI also stated that their physical structure is no longer the same.

So while the Collectors ARE former Protheans, it's not what they looked like.

pretty sure teh beacon is the memories of the protheans actually being torn apart and modified into collectors with them adding all the metal and stuff and you finally see a pic of them at the end of the vision.  We'll probably find even more beacons with more videos come ME3, and they'll probably give us a full video that doesnt induce epilepsy.

[tsd16]

ctsaxon1983 wrote...

SelphieSK wrote...

They do look like that. You get a vision on an N7 mission where you see them.

Amen. That is the proof right there. And also why the hell do the damn Statues on Ilos look like Husks?

Because they are PROTHEAN husks.  Jesus its mentioned I dont know how many times in the game, that the collectors have been so genetically altered they dont look like the original protheans.

In the vision in the N7 mission it shows BOTH original protheans AND collectors.   its one thing to break continuity from game to game, if that were the case, but why on earth would they show protheans looking like completely different things in the same damn vision?!  Because collectors and protheans dont look alike, end of story.

[Garuda One]

[WrexShepard]

You can see a huskified prothean in the codex. They look like the statues on ilos.

[Bazak]

i dont believe the protheans looked like those statues they could have been anything and those things in the visions could have been protheans partialy melted down already

also they had a double helix dna strand like most species but the reapers added a strand of genetic material down the middle of the dna.

another thing seeing as reaper ships are made to resemble the races they are made of why does the prothean reaper look nothing like those statues? it looks almost exactly like the collector general though

also the protheans on illos were in cryo-sleep untill the reapers left and the AI woke them up so they would know nothing about the collectors since they could not exist yet and by the time they woke up the collectors would be back behind the omega 4 relay and the reapers back in dark space

so all in all the "collector" in the vision was what protheans looked like and the other ones were protheans patrialy melted and that whatever filled the roll of collector when the protheans were wiped out was not the protheans

[lady winde]

They failed at making a prothean reaper.



The Collectors do not look like the Protheans. The Prothean husk image from the codex is the closest image of an actual prothean you are going to get.

[Acero Azul]

the protheans were turned into collectors not extinct

[Wynne]

Tooneyman wrote...

In Mass Effect Universe. I would love to actually see a real prothean. I'm hoping by ME 3. We can see what the prothean's actually look like. No they are not the collectors. I'm hoping they look like the grey aliens from Roswell. That would be Awesome!

Dude? The salarians already look like the greys! C'mon, if you think about it, that would be SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO lame. Seriously. To expect something aristocratic, fascinating, and original and then to just see more salarianesque grey aliens... lame, lame, lame, lame, lame, I have to say. Especially considering the look of the statues on Ilos doesn't resemble a grey.

But I'm with you on the Protheans. I would just gut a nug to see a real one, even if it was merely artwork. I want to know what they were like before the modification.

To anyone saying the vision in ME2 must mean that the Collectors and Protheans look exactly alike--
Remember that the beacon was created by the researchers on Ilos after CENTURIES had passed. Centuries during which the Reapers were using indoctrinated and no doubt genetically modified Prothean agents to round up other Protheans when they first invaded, and the beacon was intended to be a warning of what the Reapers had done.

In other words: "Witness the horror of what they are doing to our species!" was the warning. The vision of the beings that look like the statues on Ilos are shown FIRST in that vision, THEN the Collector form is made visible. As if to show the Protheans being twisted.

Vigil says, "Within a few centuries every Prothean was enslaved or killed..." then, after the Reapers were certain they had extinguished all organic life, after every planet was stripped bare of resources, technology, and slaves, you ask about the beacon--"once the Reapers were gone, the survivors here on Ilos decided to risk sending out a message. We knew it was unlikely there were other survivors, but if there were, we wanted them to know about Ilos." So it was very late in the game when the beacon was activated with that message--centuries after the Reapers had invaded, after Vigil shut down all but the most essential personnel's cryogenic pods.

That was a vision of what they were being twisted into; the vision was very abstract in the first place and in the ME2 vision may well have been intended to horrify other Protheans by showing them what was being done to their species. Like the Keepers, they were altered to suit the Reaper's needs--after all this time, they would've evolved anyway. With the Reapers screwing them up, there's no way that they'd even look exactly the same as they were so long ago.  Besides, it would be a huge letdown if the mythic Protheans looked like four-eyed bug things.

What is fascinating is the implication. The Protheans sent out a message. And if the Reapers missed that beacon in their slow, methodical process of wiping out all evidence of the Protheans, then who can say what else they might have overlooked? Maybe there were Protheans on the far edges of the galaxy, colonists who hid in a similar way to the Protheans. Maybe they received the beacon's message and left their colonies. Maybe they found the researchers on the Citadel and rescued them. And maybe, just maybe, enough of them were gathered due to that beacon that they were able to find a way to hide far from any possibility of detection. Hide, and recuperate.

Maybe they withdrew somewhere far beyond the Milky Way. And maybe if you can somehow uncover that place, you'll find them recruitable as allies in ME3... a species that has been hiding in fear of the Reapers for ages, preparing for a war they hoped never to have to fight. Maybe the Protheans--their descendants--can become part of the galaxy again. Can fight the battle their ancestors never had the chance to fight. It would be epic.

It's quite far-fetched I'll admit that; a doubtful theory... but it's possible, and I would flip if it turned out to be a plan for ME3 all along. I mean, the connection I felt to the Protheans in ME1... it was incredibly moving.

Modifié par Wynne, 11 février 2010 - 02:04 .

[Eshaye]

Wynne wrote...

 Maybe they found the researchers on the Citadel and rescued them. And maybe, just maybe, enough of them were gathered due to that beacon that they were able to find a way to hide far from any possibility of detection. Hide, and recuperate.

It's quite far-fetched I'll admit that; a doubtful theory... but it's possible, and I would flip if it were true.

Considering this is all fiction I find this very plausible actually!

Modifié par Eshaye, 11 février 2010 - 01:45 .

[Mallissin]

The Collectors are a combination of multiple races the Reapers have conquered. Prothean DNA was found in them by EDI, but the Collectors are not Protheans.

http://masseffect.wi...heans#Aftermath

Protheans look like cthulhu squid faces.

I'm willing to bet most of the Husks on the Reaper ships coming in will be of Prothean origin. So, instead of humanish faces, they'll look cthulhu-ie too.

Modifié par Mallissin, 11 février 2010 - 02:03 .

[HelterSkelter89]

you can see statues of them in me1 on ilos.

[Kileyan]

Tooneyman wrote...

In Mass Effect Universe. I would love to actually see a real prothean. I'm hoping by ME 3. We can see what the prothean's actually look like. No they are not the collectors. I'm hoping they look like the grey aliens from Roswell. That would be Awesome!

I am very likely late to the party, but your forum avatar looks like the grey aliens from Roswell.

[Kileyan]

Forgive me, I forget the name of the planet in ME1 with the cool scene of driving through the Prothean ruins toward the gate to the citadel. I clearly remember they lost power to keep all those Protheans in stasis alive. I know they aren't alive now, but those ruins were not destroyed. I find it hard to believe that along with all those dead pods and tech there, there isn't already a team there that has found a bunch of info, much less something as simple as what they looked like.

Modifié par Kileyan, 11 février 2010 - 02:13 .

[Wynne]

Eshaye wrote...
Considering this is all fiction I find this very plausible actually!

I would LOVE that so much, I can't even tell you.  I've been longing to meet the Protheans ever since ME1! It was just so poignant, what happened to them...

The fact that the message in ME2 seems to be an "update" of the vision gives me hope... somebody had to be alive to make that update. It could just be that the message makes your vision clearer, shows you more distinct images... but I'm hoping that it's actually new information from either the researchers or someone else, adding to what had already been gathered by the Ilos staff.

The awesome part is, they wouldn't even have to look like the original Protheans. Hopefully somewhat like them, with that eerie nobility and the long, strange limbs with claw-like hands, but they may have changed since then. They could still play around with the species quite a bit after all this time, and probably should at least somewhat in order to reflect 50,000 years of development. I hope there's still that entrancing mystique... I hope they sound at least a bit like Vigil, with that airy resonance to their voices. I want to be mesmerized. I want it to be a moving moment.

Ohh, how I want to meet them... amazing how connected you can feel to an ancient species which reached out to you from "beyond the grave", so to speak. They believed they were doomed, but they still fought to save other organic and intelligent life forms. The fact that they were so selfless and so brilliant when they could have just let hopelessness overcome them and blown their own brains out... it was the belief that other species in the future could suffer the same as they did which drove them to warn us. Everything Commander Shepard has been able to do was made possible by their beautiful spirit of hope and dogged determination even in the face of extinction.

The Protheans were so amazing in ME1. I don't want this to be the last we see of them. In my heart I still hope for more.

[Skyblade012]

You are all misinterpreting EDI's findings.  The genetic similarity between the Collectors and the Protheans was not a "single strand of DNA".  It was "A quad strand genetic structure".  It was not the DNA itself that was unique between the two species, it was the structure of the genetic material.  Humans have a duo strand genetic structure: a double helix.  The images EDI shows of the Collector and Prothean genetic material are a quad strand, with a primary double helix with a secondary, smaller double helix inside it, for a total of 4 strands.  This quad strand structure was unique to the Protheans and the Collectors.  The actual genetic material, the information encoded on the four strands, was similar enough between the two species that EDI was able to determine the lineage of the Collector being studied.  That is a lot more similarity than a single strand of genetic material.