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[Lucy Glitter]

I guess a lot of people haven't played ME1. There were Prothean statues everywhere in Ilos. They clearly look different.

The problem is it wasn't explain very well in the game. So people got confused.

Modifié par Lucy_Glitter, 11 février 2010 - 03:11 .

[Zemore]

i love how alot of people just ignore what the game tells us and thier eyes located in thier own heads ...ive had the Prothean collector argument alot since the game came out and people arent learning ... its quite annoying.

Modifié par Zemore, 11 février 2010 - 03:14 .

[The Shelf]

I can't decide which thread is the funniest on this forum: this one or the Tali's face thread.



Anywho, back to the real topic at hand. We have established that potatoes are definitely vegetables, but what about tomatoes? Vegetable or fruit? I guess technically all fruits are vegetables, right?

[serjwolf]

DuffyMJ wrote...

Br0th3rGr1mm wrote...

CdnNinja wrote...

Technically they are the collectors, but they've been changed so much that you can't really consider them to be anymore. It's like calling a potato chip a vegetable. Sure that's where it came from, but it's far from one anymore. At least in my opinion...

Errr...potatoes aren't vegetables to begin with...analogy failure.

I hope that's a joke... What do you think potato is, a grain? lmao.

ya seriously, this guy is dip

[rines]

Br0th3rGr1mm wrote...

CdnNinja wrote...

Technically they are the collectors, but they've been changed so much that you can't really consider them to be anymore. It's like calling a potato chip a vegetable. Sure that's where it came from, but it's far from one anymore. At least in my opinion...

Errr...potatoes aren't vegetables to begin with...analogy failure.

Let me help you out.  It's like calling a Ford Mustang a sports car.  Technically it is, but at the lowest common denominator.

Errr...Ford Mustangs aren't sports cars to begin with...analogy failure.

Let me help you out. Its like calling Br0th3rGr1mm someone intelligent. Technically everyone is, but your the lowest common denominator.

[Zemore]

The Shelf wrote...

I can't decide which thread is the funniest on this forum: this one or the Tali's face thread.

Anywho, back to the real topic at hand. We have established that potatoes are definitely vegetables, but what about tomatoes? Vegetable or fruit? I guess technically all fruits are vegetables, right?

grows from a little tree Tree = Fruit
in the ground = veggie

Modifié par Zemore, 11 février 2010 - 03:23 .

[Skyblade012]

*Sigh* I hate getting stuck with the last post on a page.



The subject is the Collectors and the Protheans, can we please get back to it? If you want to whine about each other, go make a different thread.

[Zemore]

Skyblade012 wrote...

*Sigh* I hate getting stuck with the last post on a page.

The subject is the Collectors and the Protheans, can we please get back to it? If you want to whine about each other, go make a different thread.

actually the subject was about a real prothean it had nothing to do with collectors.

[jimmyjoefro]

The Shelf wrote...

I can't decide which thread is the funniest on this forum: this one or the Tali's face thread.

Anywho, back to the real topic at hand. We have established that potatoes are definitely vegetables, but what about tomatoes? Vegetable or fruit? I guess technically all fruits are vegetables, right?

You should try this thread: social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/105/index/1109816

[Mr Theropod]

prothean DNA + rachni DNA = Collector?

[Zayin]

Wynne,

Reading your ideas ... that is a cool set of ideas!      However, I'm of two minds about whether Bioware should do that.  As we saw in ME2, Vigil's estimations in ME1 left a lot to be desired.  Then again, the scientists were unable to go find answers themselves. 

One the one hand, it would be a great surprise to find that enough Protheans managed to escape the reaping to still be a viable race.  If the Protheans were on the cusp of understanding and fully replicating the Mass Relays, it's possible that other scientists could eventually duplicate the work of the scientists on Illos.  If they fully understood that the Reapers guide the technological lines that sentient races follow after finding the Citadel and the Relays, 50,000 years is a feasibly sufficient scifi timeline to create and further a different line of technology.  And IF the scientists who went to the citadel somehow were rescued by other survivors the whole technology angle could work even better. 

This line of thinking requires a certain number of "If"s to happen but it could have happened.  It would be a powerful moment in the story to find Protheans and have them come to our aid.  And given the way ME2 was building up the "Gondor Calls for Aid" scenario with different allies, it could be cool to see actual Protheans with a fighting chance in the war that consumed their ancestors.  If the Protheans hid somewhere behind a locked Relay and then come back, it's an adequate reason for survival against the Protheans.  As it is, even with all the allies we can gain in ME2, the galactic community as we know it doesn't have the strength to repel the Reaper fleet should it find another way into the Milky Way galaxy. 

On the other hand, leaving the Protheans dead and gone leaves their story a tragic one.  One of the few things we really know about the Protheans is that they knew their race was at an end and they fought to give the future a chance.  One of the things I like about certain SciFi stories is that they have tragedy in them.  For example, I like aspects of StarTrek but on the whole I'll never enjoy that series as much as others because things are too idealistic and clean in it (yeah, I know that was the series' creator's whole point... but it still doesn't sit right with me).  Yeah, StarTrek has its problems but the series has a completely different feel than Babylon5 did.  Life isn't perfect and with tradegy a setting feels more plausible.  Also, the focus of the Mass Effect story is on Shepard and the humans.  The Protheans had there chance and sadly lost it when the Reapers came.  If the writing team came back and brought the Protheans back (as Protheans, not Collectors), it takes some of the focus off the humans.  It borders on anti-climactic if we have Prothean suvivors appear and save the day.  But who knows?

There was a different thread on these forums where someone put out the idea that what if it was the Protheans that somehow encased the Sol System's Relay in ice.  The Protheans had studied humanity (and for all we know tinkered with humans).  What if the Relay as locked that way to further safeguard humanity under the assumption that by the time Humanity found and uncovered the Relay they might be prepared to use it.  If it took longer than one Reaping cycle for Humanity to get to that point, the Relay was still locked and the Reapers likely wouldn't use FTL drives to seek out the Sol System on the chance of life there when no Citadel records indicated life there.)

I don't know if it's what Bioware intended ... and if a Relay can get lost from a nova, one could somehow get trapped in an icy condition around Pluto.  Personally, I like the idea that the Protheans saw potential in Humanity and somehow lent a protective helping hand.  Wouldn't it be ironic indeed if the Sol System Relay is where the Protheans retreated back to and then used FTL drives to go somewhere else. 

In the end, it's Bioware's space opera story.  I can't wait to see how it turns out. 

Edit:  formatting got all squished and no paragraph breaks.  Ugh.

Modifié par Zayin, 11 février 2010 - 04:11 .

[Exploding8]

Its pretty much been decided that the Collectors don't look like the same as the Protheans did. I'd look for the thread where this was agreed upon but I really don't care enough about the idiots who disagree atm, not to mention someone probably already posted it.

[fanman72]

Yes, the collectors DO look like Protheans. There's a side mission where you have a vision and see an image of a Prothean/Collector, similar to the one you had on Eden Prime in ME1

[Zemore]

fanman72 wrote...

Yes, the collectors DO look like Protheans. There's a side mission where you have a vision and see an image of a Prothean/Collector, similar to the one you had on Eden Prime in ME1

wrong that was the vision from ME1 with the last bit changed showing a collector it was yet another proth warning this time showing the collectors
Protheans look like the statues on Illos theres even a prothean husk that looks like the ilos statues.

[GnusmasTHX]

Christ, this thread is full of stupid.

There are images of Protheans on Ilos, in the form of statues. There's an image of a Husk-ified Prothean in the Codex. We KNOW what Protheans look like.

Protheans were turned into Collectors by Reapers.

The UPDATED vision on the N7 mission CLEARLY shows PROTHEANS, being turned into COLLECTORS.

Here's the low-down: IN THE UPDATED VISION ON THE N7 MISSION, IT SHOWS A DYING PROTHEAN, WHICH IS QUICKLY REPLACED BY AN OBVIOUS IMAGE OF A COLLECTOR. LIKE LITERALLY JUXTAPOSED RIGHT ABOVE THE ORIGINAL PROTHEAN IMAGE.

Why, you ask? Because Collector's used to look like Prothean's. The entire point of the vision is to warn Protheans what the Reapers were doing to captured and indoctrinated Protheans.

Modifié par GnusmasTHX, 11 février 2010 - 04:51 .

[Tooneyman]

Zemore wrote...

The Shelf wrote...

I can't decide which thread is the funniest on this forum: this one or the Tali's face thread.

Anywho, back to the real topic at hand. We have established that potatoes are definitely vegetables, but what about tomatoes? Vegetable or fruit? I guess technically all fruits are vegetables, right?

grows from a little tree Tree = Fruit
in the ground = veggie

So your saying a watermelon and grapes are vegetables. Ok, Now I'm definitely scared!

[Tooneyman]

fanman72 wrote...

Yes, the collectors DO look like Protheans. There's a side mission where you have a vision and see an image of a Prothean/Collector, similar to the one you had on Eden Prime in ME1

And why does everyone always bring up the side quest. It could have been the something different. They dang protheans are not the collectors fully. Ahhh! They are just tid bits of them. The collectors are their own spieces. Why does everyone think the protheans are bugs. They where like asari or more human like. I still say they are the grey aliens from roswell though.

[Monochrome Wench]

Zayin wrote...

There was a different thread on these forums where someone put out the idea that what if it was the Protheans that somehow encased the Sol System's Relay in ice.  The Protheans had studied humanity (and for all we know tinkered with humans).  What if the Relay as locked that way to further safeguard humanity under the assumption that by the time Humanity found and uncovered the Relay they might be prepared to use it.  If it took longer than one Reaping cycle for Humanity to get to that point, the Relay was still locked and the Reapers likely wouldn't use FTL drives to seek out the Sol System on the chance of life there when no Citadel records indicated life there.)

That is a very interesting theory, probably worthy of its own thread. That the Mass Relay is encased in Ice should probably be considered unusual. There doesn't seem to be a way of destroying the relays, and what natural reason would there be to cause the relay to get that much ice on it, unless it was done intentionally by the protheans. If they can't be destroyed, surrounding one with something entirely might just work to stop anyone connecting to it. Ice would be a good candidate as water is pretty easy to work with and would be reasonably accessable nearby on Pluto itself.

[Tamcia]

Collectors are modified protheans. Repaers modified them to serve a purpose. All protheans are dead. The last know "stronghold" was Illos where they were in sleeping pods, then waken up after the storm passed and they worked to break the cycle, then all died.



There are references in game, like hanar, who believe Protheans, a.k.a. Enkindlers, were "Ancient Gods". There is confirmation on that and just speculations. Whatever you discuss is pointless, due to limited info, that is from codex, conversations and books.



So here is a list of facts (not debatable):

1) Protheans, who got captured, got modified into Collectors.

2) Original Protheans do not look like collectors.

3) Some Protheans survived the initial extermination and worked on breaking the cycle.



Some thoughts:

1) They are mentioned in some race religion, therefore possibly they monitored other races.

2) The information from Vigil, is one of the few sources for information and people trust it blindly, just like the reaper, Sovereign - he told you stuff and everyone believes it. Seriously? Are people that naive?

3) If the collectors were left, when reapers left, how did they not notice, that citadel had life onboard, that is Protheans working on changing the keepers etc. Since protheans are mentioned in some race religions as gods, how did the collectors not notice a race traveling around space.





A General thought: If the cycle of reapers farming life has continued for at least +40 mil years, how the hell do planets still have resources on them??? I mean every race farms those resources and I doubt the reapers clean up stuff after they are done, melt everything down and put resources back into planets, so that no one would notice it was done. You can check when the resources formed, and you would notice huge cuts or changes in planet structure that are done each 50k years.



Further more: reapers farmed galaxy for millions of years, yet they screwed up and left a planet full of Protheans (Illos)? They left a derelict reaper for 37mil years? All the other planets, protheans were on were wiped out of any trace, that could lead to a conclusion of what happened to them. Something just doesnt add up and I don't mean a plot hole.

[Doug84]

Sabre120 wrote...

The collectors are the remnants of
Protheans, only a few strands of DNA remain within them. So no the
Collectors do not look like original Protheans, but they are Protheans,
just genetically modified beyond all recognition

Uh, yeah, they do look the same because...

SelphieSK wrote...

They do look like that. You get a vision on an N7 mission where you see them.

Indeedie. Just because their DNA was rewritten does not mean they look massively different to the real Protheans.

[FlintlockJazz]

Doug84 wrote...

Sabre120 wrote...

The collectors are the remnants of
Protheans, only a few strands of DNA remain within them. So no the
Collectors do not look like original Protheans, but they are Protheans,
just genetically modified beyond all recognition

Uh, yeah, they do look the same because...

SelphieSK wrote...

They do look like that. You get a vision on an N7 mission where you see them.

Indeedie. Just because their DNA was rewritten does not mean they look massively different to the real Protheans.

This was already discussed, they do look immensely different from what they originally looked like, the statues on Ilos show what they originally looked like and the vision in that N7 mission is showing a prothean turning into a collector.

[The Shelf]

Guys, this is getting ridiculous. Here is the old vision from ME1:


And here is the new vision from ME2:


CLEARLY, the Protheans looked like the statues on Ilos and were transformed into what we know as the Collectors. They did not look the same.

Modifié par The Shelf, 11 février 2010 - 03:03 .

[dawsdgd]

FINALLY the VISION SHOWS NORMAL PROTHEANS THEN THEM TRANSFORMED!!!!!

[Bazak]

Wynne wrote...

Tooneyman wrote...

In Mass Effect Universe. I would love to actually see a real prothean. I'm hoping by ME 3. We can see what the prothean's actually look like. No they are not the collectors. I'm hoping they look like the grey aliens from Roswell. That would be Awesome!

Dude? The salarians already look like the greys! C'mon, if you think about it, that would be SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO lame. Seriously. To expect something aristocratic, fascinating, and original and then to just see more salarianesque grey aliens... lame, lame, lame, lame, lame, I have to say. Especially considering the look of the statues on Ilos doesn't resemble a grey.

But I'm with you on the Protheans. I would just gut a nug to see a real one, even if it was merely artwork. I want to know what they were like before the modification.

To anyone saying the vision in ME2 must mean that the Collectors and Protheans look exactly alike--
Remember that the beacon was created by the researchers on Ilos after CENTURIES had passed. Centuries during which the Reapers were using indoctrinated and no doubt genetically modified Prothean agents to round up other Protheans when they first invaded, and the beacon was intended to be a warning of what the Reapers had done.

In other words: "Witness the horror of what they are doing to our species!" was the warning. The vision of the beings that look like the statues on Ilos are shown FIRST in that vision, THEN the Collector form is made visible. As if to show the Protheans being twisted.

Vigil says, "Within a few centuries every Prothean was enslaved or killed..." then, after the Reapers were certain they had extinguished all organic life, after every planet was stripped bare of resources, technology, and slaves, you ask about the beacon--"once the Reapers were gone, the survivors here on Ilos decided to risk sending out a message. We knew it was unlikely there were other survivors, but if there were, we wanted them to know about Ilos." So it was very late in the game when the beacon was activated with that message--centuries after the Reapers had invaded, after Vigil shut down all but the most essential personnel's cryogenic pods.

That was a vision of what they were being twisted into; the vision was very abstract in the first place and in the ME2 vision may well have been intended to horrify other Protheans by showing them what was being done to their species. Like the Keepers, they were altered to suit the Reaper's needs--after all this time, they would've evolved anyway. With the Reapers screwing them up, there's no way that they'd even look exactly the same as they were so long ago.  Besides, it would be a huge letdown if the mythic Protheans looked like four-eyed bug things.

What is fascinating is the implication. The Protheans sent out a message. And if the Reapers missed that beacon in their slow, methodical process of wiping out all evidence of the Protheans, then who can say what else they might have overlooked? Maybe there were Protheans on the far edges of the galaxy, colonists who hid in a similar way to the Protheans. Maybe they received the beacon's message and left their colonies. Maybe they found the researchers on the Citadel and rescued them. And maybe, just maybe, enough of them were gathered due to that beacon that they were able to find a way to hide far from any possibility of detection. Hide, and recuperate.

Maybe they withdrew somewhere far beyond the Milky Way. And maybe if you can somehow uncover that place, you'll find them recruitable as allies in ME3... a species that has been hiding in fear of the Reapers for ages, preparing for a war they hoped never to have to fight. Maybe the Protheans--their descendants--can become part of the galaxy again. Can fight the battle their ancestors never had the chance to fight. It would be epic.

It's quite far-fetched I'll admit that; a doubtful theory... but it's possible, and I would flip if it turned out to be a plan for ME3 all along. I mean, the connection I felt to the Protheans in ME1... it was incredibly moving.

omg did noone read what i posted there is no way the protheans could have known about the collectors!!!