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[lumen11]

I realise a title like this will seem somewhat disparaging towards previous Bioware games. It's not my intention to suggest that previous romances were bad, but I always felt that the respective romance options fell in love with the PC no matter what as long as you were a bit nice to them. With ME2 the writers reached a new level however.

At least, that's been my experience while romancing the female characters. I will try to explain.

Actually, it seems only a few moments and lines were necessary to really make the difference and bring the romances to life.

With Miranda, for example, things clicked into place when she says (paraphrasing) that 'you are pretty damn close to being perfect yourself'. It's a fun 'flirty' moment that really goes a lot deeper than it initially appeared to me. Miranda is hung up on the whole perfect genes issue. So to her it's much more than superficial attraction to be swept of her feet by our intergalactic hero who comes from simple non-enhanced beginnings but still manages to achieve so much. Add to that the fact that she cared for an unconsious Shephard for 2 years and that he has the approval of the Illusive Man, the true father figure in Miranda's life, and you have a believable romance.

With Tali, that fun part is that you are, as she says, the dashing captain who keeps rescuing her. The fact that you couldn't romance her in ME1 makes the romance in ME2 only more convincing. Little things like the line 'I wish Shephard were here' in her log in the ancient Quarian city reveal how important Shephard had become to her.

Any comments? Especially from female players.

Modifié par lumen11, 10 février 2010 - 01:19 .

[jawlz]

I think that Baldur's Gate II probably had the most realistic romances, but the Mass Effect series is probably #2 on the list.

[Jaekahn]

I haven't had a chance to romance Tali yet and I refuse to watch videos centered around the dialogue and romance scene since I don't want to spoil the moment. My first two playthroughs were female, and I pursued Jacob and Garrus as them. I particularly enjoyed Garrus since he doesn't express an actual physical attraction towards you, but instead focuses his attraction based on respect, trust and loyalty. He expresses that whatever feelings he has for her are far beyond the physical limits and seems rather eager to engage despite the interspecies controversy.



Jacob's LI on the other hand was inferior in almost every way. All it was was careless flirting that had no real starting point.



My first male character (which is my current playthrough) chose Miranda as a LI. He's full renegade so he even had the rough sex with Jack. Their interest in one another seems solid simply because she played a big part in his reconstruction as well as her expressing admiration for his perfection prior to the resurrection. Though it wasn't a dialogue option, I am sure Shepard was curious with whether or not she was impressed with what she saw while he was on the operating table.



I am particularly interested in pursuing Tali next. I beat ME1 3 times and Tali and Garrus occupied my team 80% of the time on all three characters. I think its sweet that Tali always had feelings for Shepard and that she finally expresses them prior to the suicide mission. I'm fortunate that I am still slightly oblivious to the dialogue options since I want to experience it fully.

[StaR_JeS]

I thought Garrus was the most realistic in-game romance I've ever seen given the character development and relationship you have with him in ME1. Granted I've never played any other Bioware games previous to ME1 (I've played every one since then - haha, that would be ME2 and Dragon Age) but given what I do know, his romance and development was the most satisfying (Alistair being a close second and Thane coming in third.)



His romance makes sense - he isn't interested in FemShep as some kind of crutch for his baggage (Thane does this a bit - one of my small complaints about him.) His romance is built on trust and friendship, and it is absolutely lovely. I can see why FemShep has to be the one to make advances - Garrus is too respectful. I don't mind that she has to be the one to initiate it - just wish it hadn't been done quite so pervishly ("Let's skip the match and head right to the tiebreaker" *wink,wink,pervy grin* XD ) I thought the actual romance scene was quite beautiful though, once they get past the cheesy awkwardness (what WAS Garrus thinking with that godawful green, blue suit?) His confession of seeing horrible, terrible things, wanting to things to go right, FemShep's tender touch on his scars...just undeniably sweet and totally appropriate. Overall a most satisfying - and realistic - romance.



Thane on the other hand...He was really meant to tug on the ol' heartstrings. While that may appeal to many young women (or older women =P) to me he was too much weight. I mean, I can appreciate some aspects of his romance...I quite enjoyed his romance scene despite the weightiness and the tears, but for most of my playthroughs, he's a bit too much. The story is already dark and heavy; why have a potential lover weighing on your mind as well?



Jacob is meh to me. I will never romance him, and it's not because he's human. It's because he's boring and too much a "bro." I mean, if you choose to be friends with him, you can "bro-hug" him. HAHAHAHA. Too funny.

[Jaekahn]

BTW, if you're a Star Wars fan and you get the chance, play Knights of the Old Republic. Great game, as is Jade Empire

[StaR_JeS]

I did try to play KOTOR about a year ago. I guess I couldn't get into it simply because I'm too used to newer games and am therefore a graphics **** (only started playing games 3 years ago.)

Btw, Joekahn, how do you get that Garrus fan bar? I would love to put that in my sig.

Modifié par StaR_JeS, 10 février 2010 - 12:42 .

[Kajan451]

You miss alot good games if you let yourself be bothered by graphics. There are also really good games from the Win95 time or when we only used Dos OS to play games. Especially Roleplaygames have been good back then.

[Jaekahn]

StaR_JeS wrote...

I did try to play KOTOR about a year ago. I guess I couldn't get into it simply because I'm too used to newer games and am therefore a graphics **** (only started playing games 3 years ago.)

Btw, Joekahn, how do you get that Garrus fan bar? I would love to put that in my sig.

You get it on the Garrus fan thread. I'll give you a link to that site, http://social.biowar...05/index/766147

[ushae]

Baldurs Gate 2 definitely had the best romances to this date, but with convincing character like Jack and Tali, Bioware seem to be catching upto their old genius.

Modifié par ushae, 10 février 2010 - 02:12 .

[KotOREffecT]

KotOR still had the best romance plot hands down. Why? because it tied into the main plot more than any other game, and Bastila is still smoking hot. The build up/playing hard to get/flirting was perfect, as was her getting kidnapped then going darkside or lightside or however you played it. Hands down the most deep romance with tons of dialogue. Bastila and Revans connection to the force was no doubt strong.

But with the Mass Effect series you have to love the continuity, I really feel a very strong connection to Ashley now after going through ME 2. It was smart what BioWare decuided to do with her, and after that confrontation on Horizion, plus the email, and a pic of her on your desk, I really can't wait to see where it goes in ME 3. Were talking a 4 plus year romance in the making, which is just epic. As for the other ME 2 romances, haven't tried them yet, but they look very interesting no doubt, esp Tali.

[Astalder]

I like what I'm seeing in ME, but I agree the Bastila romance was the best I've seen. It's woven completely into the primary plot which made it very meaningful, be it light or dark. Complying with everyone's romance demands has held Bioware back a bit in that department I think, to the detriment of the game's overall.

It pains me a little to think about what will come after ME3, because this is what I want, this or more KOTOR, but they're going MMO with that.

Modifié par Astalder, 10 février 2010 - 02:27 .

[Jaekahn]

Yeah, I'm looking forward to my Tali romance during my Insanity run. I figured I would have two completions for each gender, giving me more possibilities for different outcomes in ME3. Quite surprisingly, I've never aimed to complete a game 4 times consecutively. I barely managed to beat ME1 twice before ME2 came out mainly due to boredom and repitition. The story can be repeatitive in ME2, but the gameplay changes dramatically depending on class and level. I am constantly entertained!

[FFTARoxorz05]

Its no Baldur's Gate 2 where romances took FOREVER so you had to really commit to them, but its close. I picked Tali the first time since thats who I want to see going into ME3, but this playthrough I'll probably be going with Miranda. That accent's no joke kids.

[KenjiTheOne]

I will not give up on Samara she is the only one im interested on,but she say "Another place,

another age" :C ........ she is old ,beautiful,smart and a Justicar,I'll get her on ME3

ps:were do i get a copy of the Justicar code??

[Lord Exar]

 It's nice to hear the Bastila praise.  For me, the romance in Bastila was the best I've ever dealt with in any game I've played.  To this day, I still love Bastila.  There's the aspect of the Force Bond the two of you have formed and the way Bastila goes from cocky rising star to a more humbled and caring person.  How Jennifer Hale does an amazing job making Bastila feel like a real person with real emotions that change and grow.
None of the relationships in Mass Effect have struck me on the same level as Bastila/Revan.  I think Tali does a really good job at coming close to that, though.  I don't know if BioWare did it by design, but the fact you couldn't romance her in ME1, but you could in ME2, makes that relationship much stronger.  I think, by the end of ME3, the Tali/Shepard relationship has the potential to be amazing and, potentially, dethrone Bastila in my mind...probably not my heart, though. 

[Jaekahn]

KenjiTheOne wrote...

I will not give up on Samara she is the only one im interested on,but she say "Another place,
another age" :C ........ she is old ,beautiful,smart and a Justicar,I'll get her on ME3
ps:were do i get a copy of the Justicar code??

Justicar code? What do you mean?

[KenjiTheOne]

talk to Samara and she will tell you about the code

[Maj Gant]

Without any question KOTOR and Bastilla were the absolute best of any game I've ever played. I had always hoped that Bioware would continue from there, but in reality they have regressed. Relationship development is now pretty stilted and limited coming down to a few lines of chosen dialog. There needs to be a progression that plays out in different aspects of the game and not just through one-off dialog. They caught lightening in a bottle with KOTOR and sadly genericized it from there.

[Curry Noodles]

jawlz wrote...

I think that Baldur's Gate II probably had the most realistic romances, but the Mass Effect series is probably #2 on the list.

Agreed here.  

Knights of the old republic's was kind of cool I guess, but for some reason it never really stuck out in my mind even though it was woven into the main plot.  

[Feops1]

I think the DA:O romance with Alistair was very well done.

[Astalder]

I don't think you'll ever see that lightning in a bottle recreated at that level unless Bioware strips a bunch of romance options out of the game. How do you live up to a romance between the two central characters of KOTOR in a game where you have 6.5 love interests, requests for 6 more, and a significant chance of any of them being dead. This is precisely why the ME1 love interests aren't recruitable in ME2, and maybe they'll recapture something of the Bastila romance in ME3 with them. That said, the ME1 love interests suck compared to Bastila... ME2 is a step up in that department.

[lumen11]

Yeah, the Bastila romance being part of the main story was a real strength, but the actual romance dialogue wasn't that good. It was rather clichéd and immature. Furthermore, I never really understood why Bastila was attracted to Revan. The bond between them was just a little too convenient in that respect.

[solitude00]

Hey I really liked the possibility of the threesome in Jade Empire ... oh ... BELIEVABLE romances ... sorry, overlooked that one.

Personally I liked the Viconia romance in BG2, at some points you had to be harsh, at others tender, and the potential to "redeem" her if you played a good character was rather touching. The dynamism enhances the sensation of interacting with a real person, instead of just watching the romance unfold.

Modifié par solitude00, 10 février 2010 - 06:04 .

[blueTrance]

Personally, I felt the most believable romances were their original ones in Baldur's Gate 2. Viconia, Jaheira, and Aerie were all believable in their own way. Now if you were female, you were screwed. You got stuck with Anomen. God I hate him. Worst character ever. I don't think he ever said one thing that didn't make me want to punch him in the face.

[Cobalt-Kilgannon]

I completely agree about KOTOR, twas lightening in a bottle that will probably never be recaptured...



The strength of ME2 is also its weakness in this area, as someone has already pointed out. Having so many LI possibilities limits the amount of possible tie in to the main plot line, add to that the fact that any number of your crew can die during the suicide mission and never make it to ME3.



In my opinion, Tali does have the best romance in ME2. In particular, it felt very believable, and natural. The comment Tali makes about having feelings for the "dashing commander" who rescued her and saved the galaxy really sold it for me.