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[Gegenlicht]

I'm really undecided on the romance options in ME2. You just have so few conversations with the characters, there's hardly any banter when you're off the ship, elevator convos are gone... which leaves the newer characters a bit flat. Jack comes off better than most because her loyalty mission directly involves figuring out her past rather than concentrating on tying up loose ends like most others.



I don't know that ME1 and DAO necessarily did better, mind you. DAO treated romance as less relevant I think and had more/better conversation options, and ME1 at least paced its romance progression better. My Infiltrator is currently sitting there with Miranda ready to jump his bones after just getting off the Collector ship, and there's no way to meaningfully interact with his lover until we head to the Omega 4 Relay. It's like the entire relationship suddenly got thrust into limbo because sex only occurs right before suicide missions in the ME universe.



And regarding BG2, I admit I prefer the way those romances were written, but at the same time I have issues with all of them. Anomen is indeed an unbearable character. The only LI worse than Alistair from DAO. Jaheira is just... hard to believe. Her husband just died, and here she is, going off with the next random guy. Aerie as a character is just really annoying cause she's such a ditz and Viconia rocks originally, but the more you get to know her, the more this proud and standoffish woman turns out to be a helpless and lost little girl. Believe it or not, the progress of the Viconia romance pretty much ruined BG2 for me.

[blueTrance]

Aerie has a flighty personality. That really comes down to taste, but she also gains more confidence as you progress. Jaheira isn't really just running off with the next random guy, the main character is someone she knows very well and was raised by someone she knows very well. They've been through hell together. It's not like she doesn't talk about how little time has passed since Khalid died, either. Viconia might have a spot of vulnerability to her, but that doesn't make her any less proud. All these things add depth, they don't take away from it.

[Crackseed]

As much as I love the Tali-mance and Bioware's successes with DA:O/ME1&2 romances, I definitely have to give the nod to BG2. But this also was helped by the fact that BG2's length gave it so much room to stretch out the romances, coupled with the extension of it into BG2's xpack. If ME2 gets the xpack love, Bioware has a chance to really nail their romance subplots should they choose to continue them there.

[lumen11]

Gegenlicht wrote...

I don't know that ME1 and DAO necessarily did better, mind you. DAO treated romance as less relevant I think and had more/better conversation options, and ME1 at least paced its romance progression better. My Infiltrator is currently sitting there with Miranda ready to jump his bones after just getting off the Collector ship, and there's no way to meaningfully interact with his lover until we head to the Omega 4 Relay. It's like the entire relationship suddenly got thrust into limbo because sex only occurs right before suicide missions in the ME universe.

That is a bit inconvenient, yeah. Same goes for the moment a loyalty mission comes up. That also puts a hold on the conversation chain with the character in question, sometimes rather inconveniently. Some banter would certainly help keep a romance at the forefront throughout the game.

As for the number of romancable characters. With more romance options the characters can be written a little more choosy. My concern with Bioware romances has always been that the characters were too easy to win over. And while it is still too easy in ME2, I did have a much better sense of what these characters were drawn to in the PC.

My main issue with the BG2 romances was that you basically performed the role of psychiatrist to these characters. Less so with Viconia, but still. The ME2 romance options also have their issues of course, but I felt less keenly that I was there to help them get over these things.

For example, Miranda is hung up on the genes thing, as I mentioned before, but she also knows what she wants. She wants the best. It just happens that Shephard can only be the best (every completed mission attests to this), but that doesn't diminish this distinctive aspect of Miranda's personality.

Tali, refreshingly, doesn't really have any personal issues, just very practical ones.

Jack, on the other hand, is almost a stereotype of the troubled romance option who can be pulled through via the attentions of the PC. But in this case that's particularly fitting, seeing as how she is literally a tortured soul. Shephard very directly explores Jack's past with her and 'it get's her off' that he doesn't let her attitude scare him off.

I guess, I don't mind that the romances in ME2 are short and I like that they mostly revolve around a single issue which informes the dynamic between Shephard and the romancable character.

Modifié par lumen11, 10 février 2010 - 09:43 .

[Peer of the Empire]

While Tali is a nice girl, I don't care for her at all. Wishing Shephard was around just means I picked up a stalker.



Shephard's greatness is testament to his genes. Miranda doesn't need daddy's approval to know that.

[Justin2k]

I didn't feel any of the romances were believable and I found the romance with Ashley in ME1 to be much more so.



The problem I had was that the characters jumped on me before I was ready. I didn't get to know Jack's softer side enough. Tali I guess was the most believable of the girls to have a crush but I don't think it would be returned.



Miranda was the girl I had hope for but I really just didn't get to know her enough. It was sex, not love, at least in my opinion. I would have liked to learn more about her, cerebus, her family, the illusive man, how she felt while fixing shepard, how her feelings of jealousy changed etc etc.



Overall I found the romances fairly weak and distracted from getting to know those characters. The scenes I saw were nice though.

[challenger18]

I'll always have a soft spot in my heart for Viconia, but I think for the latest games DAO was pretty great. Not only did you have characters interacting with each other while walking around, but they would also comment on the MC and who they were dating if that was the case. You could similarly have conversations with other characters about the other NPCs, your LI would initiate conversations after certain points (which I do like more than the timer in BG2, but it was still fantastic and helped for having the romance last the entire game, something ME2 lacks severely). It seemed like that mechanic had the best balance of dialogue options unlocking based on how much they like you, where you are/ how far you've progressed in the game. Having gifts and having little scenes based on them was also a nice touch.



With ME2 the characters are fine. I personally like all the male LIs the most, even Samara's half in half out romance. Jacob I found ... laughable really with the way he talks. I saw his romance scene and ... unless you're making an R&B album I don't think you should be talking like that. Garrus, I've never saw the appeal in him and his looks don't help. Thane was totally made for chicks and I can appreciate the aesthetics, but I don't care to romance the calm, cool, collected, and about to die people. The main problem I have with the characters, with any character really, is the lack of dialogue. In BG2 and DAO you have a bunch of exploratory dialogues of just getting to know each other and it can last a long time. In ME2 you first have to do the loyalty mission to even activate the romance, with around 2 dialogues you can do before that. After words you only have another 2 dialogues before it goes into the loop dialogue until you initiate the final mission. That's ... crap. It's even worse if you're talking to a LI that you can't or don't want to romance, without the romance their dialogue just stops completely after the first talk.

[Agent.0.Fortune]

They have romances in ME2? After two complete play-throughs one paragon, one renegade, I never got a romance before the end despite talking to teammates frequently. I was actually pretty disappointed in that aspect of the game. The closest I got was Morinith, but moms interrupted and killed her instead.

Even the ship ****, Jack, who according to Yeoman Kelly had been working her way through the crew turned me down.
Speaking of Kelly, on my second play through she actually started flirting a little towards the end, but unfortunately dissolved on collector base ship.

So all-in-all I'm giving the Mass Effect 2 Romances 1 star

[Edit] I'll increase this to 1.5 stars, since the romance scenes on youtube were pretty entertaining, would have like to play through them myself [/Edit]

Modifié par Agent.0.Fortune, 10 février 2010 - 11:18 .

[DarthReavus]

Did you do the relevant Loyalty missions? A romance can only begin once that character's loyalty mission has been successfully completed.

[Agent.0.Fortune]

DarthReavus wrote...

Did you do the relevant Loyalty missions? A romance can only begin once that character's loyalty mission has been successfully completed.

I will admit on my first play through I did all of the loyalty mission, but not necessarily succesfully*, and the game really pushed the sense of urgency so I may have missed conversation oppotunities between missions. But on my second (renegade) playthough I put considerabily more effort into talking to my teammates and still go no where (although my renegade rating was no where near maxxed if that matters).

* I found that not successfully completing all the loyalty missions paid huge dividends in the final mission, it was very dramatic to see my teammates falling in battle. whereas my second playthrough everyone lived

[Michale_Jackson]

Since my Shepard is an import from the original, I've stayed loyal to my gal, Ashley.

[JGP354]

Am I the only one who believes that if you do the love affair with Tali she will die? First the Admirilty sends you a message warning you that she is suseptible to your desirers. She says that she wants to be with you before the FINAL battle (which will be against the Reapers, the Collecters are the second battle not final battle) Tali tells you she must find a way to make it work. If all it took was some antibiotics there would be nothing to research. All Quarians would know about it. (Illium - Turian & Quarian discussion in Night Club about sex. She thought it could only be done with an expensive nerve induction program, which Tali doesn't want.) The interplay between Tali & Shepard was done quite well, almost brought tears to this old man's eyes. I refused her in Shepards quarters, she says "  Your right, I know you're right, but you can't blame a girl for trying". if you continue the game after you win, she asks if your still interested, I said yes and she said Thank You. All this leads me to believe that the real romance with her will be in ME3. They better show you what she looks like, the way the first did with Ash or Liara!

[Gegenlicht]

Doubtful. If you hit the sack with Tali and talk to her afterwards, she'll complain of some minor complications like a fever and stuffed sinuses, but nothing major.

[GreedIsNoException]

Well on my first run at the game I decided to stay faithful to Liara. I thought her romance in ME1 was extremely funny since she was embarrassed and always said things inappropriate like she was nervous being around Shep. I thought that Garrus, Tali, Miranda were the follow-ups. So sad the romance with Liara doesn't follow her in the sequel. So sad...

[Ninja Ataris]

I haven't had the time to go through BG2 yet. Even considering it all though, I think ME2 is the best they've done yet(only romanced Tali so far though). Good voice acting just takes it the extra mile imo.

[coinop25]

So far, played with characters romancing Garrus, Tali, and Miranda. Miranda felt like nothing but a fling, a rebound from Ash, but it was believable in that respect. It felt less rushed than the romances in ME1, anyway, but I'm not sure why. Tali and Garrus were the most believable ROMANCE (as opposed to sexual) options I've seen in a game, though. Both masterfully done. My girlfriend is now totally in love with these characters after seeing me interacting with them, too. (And she finds the reject krogan you talk to on Okeer's level to be "cute" as well.)



Sadly, I can't get through KOTOR, so I can't evaluate the romance options there ... only have an Xbox 360, no gaming PC, and it's all choppy in emulation. Plus I hate the combat system. :-P

[Funkenstein23]

I see what you are saying. The ME2 romances were really quite well done and I found them to be very believable. That being said, I don't think its fair to say that BW hasn't done believable romances in the past. Some of the older ones were quite good.

[Darth_Ultima]

I love it how you guys are talking about believable romance when these people live on a starship. A believable romance is when two people meet in a coffee shop, club or bar and go to dinner or something like that and not going to distant planet to shoot aliens.

[The Bull84]

the only relationships i felt were really beliveable in ME2 were garrus and tali because of the history you have with them from the first game. i felt miranda was really easy, way too easy for how tight she played all her emotional cards, same for jack. i thought tali was acceptable because i already knew tali. (for me infact i had her and garrus in my group 90% of the time in ME1 over all my playthroughs).

I was glad to get out of the relationship with ashley and after her hissy fit on horizon i don't want her anymore but I think it would be a nice option (stick with it or break it off) for ME3 to beable to come into the game relationship in hand (at least with an imported char) not some crap reason for their not being there (like ashley's i hate aliens and cerebus and nothing you can say will change my mind, what a b!tch)

[lumen11]

Miranda was the girl I had hope for but I really just didn't get to know her enough. It was sex, not love, at least in my opinion. I would have liked to learn more about her, cerebus, her family, the illusive man, how she felt while fixing shepard, how her feelings of jealousy changed etc etc.

Well, when you have 2 perfect people together, it would be a crime for them not to try and have babies before they go on a suicide mission.

Seriously though.
I would have also liked to talk more about Cerberus and The Illusive Man with her (family was handled quite nicely - more would have been overdoing it). As far as we know she's the only one that actually got to meet the Illusive Man face to face. That was pretty interesting to me. However, that wouldn't have necessarily improved the romance for me. And you can only do so much 'getting to know' in the short timeframe of the game.

[Gill Kaiser]

I love all three romances open to males. I think Tali's was the best though, because it's built on a solid foundation and it retroactively adds more meaning to their time together in ME1.

I've just begun my first playthrough with my imported FemShep and am curious to see which I like more, Thane or Garrus. My FemShep definately respects Garrus and thinks of him as a friend, but will that lead to more, or will the soft-spoken assassin steal her heart instead?

Modifié par Gill Kaiser, 11 février 2010 - 07:57 .

[JGP354]

You never heard of someone dying from something that started out as a fever or a cold?

[tykfa1990]

Hmm. THere actually is one series that you can romance too.



You most likely played it, did KOTOR sound familiar?



It was my favorite space based RPG series from Bio Ware, and actually you could romance Disciple, Bastilla, Visas Marr, and few other. Btw, isn't Visas somehow alike Tali with her face always hidden before the players sight? Regardless of her being a servant of the dark, later she behaves also some alike Tali ( also bit shy, can't describe feelings straightly ).



You tricky Bio Ware programmists! XD

[NeinoRanatos]

tykfa1990 wrote...

Hmm. THere actually is one series that you can romance too.

You most likely played it, did KOTOR sound familiar?

It was my favorite space based RPG series from Bio Ware, and actually you could romance Disciple, Bastilla, Visas Marr, and few other. Btw, isn't Visas somehow alike Tali with her face always hidden before the players sight? Regardless of her being a servant of the dark, later she behaves also some alike Tali ( also bit shy, can't describe feelings straightly ).

You tricky Bio Ware programmists! XD

Possibly, but Bioware didn't make KOTOR 2. That was Obsidian.

[tykfa1990]

Lol, you are quick about answering, my last post looks like out of topic because of you.



Alike some of you, I consider Tali the best LI choice, she brings something more than sexual affection on Shepard like Miranda or Kelly do. That bounds are made rather on caring about each other and true, long hidden, and deep Tali's interest in Shepard.