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[Fexelea]

I don't need to find anything to prove anything to you. If you have a short memory spam and don't know where to find information, it's your problem

You are being rather childish again so I will ignore your inevitable nonesense.

[Bullets McDeath]

Right, because you pulled it out of your ass *and* you know I'm right. I think we're done here.

[Fexelea]

I did not.

Victor Wachter wrote...

Once we are certified, we will immediately begin work on deploying. What this means is that the notification of the release date could come... on the release date!

Thank you for walking right into that one. Go away now.

[Fexelea]

On a different note, for those who are actually interested in the thread, it seems our "Bundle with Awakenings" wasn't so far off: I would guess that by releasing it close to the expansion they are hoping to capitalize on the marketing effort of Awakenings. Good move because if RTO released today I don't think it would have huge sales. People re-booting their game for Awakenings are better targets

[Bullets McDeath]

No problem, I walk everywhere, never in a hurry. Thanks for owning yourself though, it saves me the trouble.



Read your own quote, that's pure speculation there. He said COULD, not "we will" or "we plan to".



What I said was, "you will not get answers to your questions. you will hear nothing until they announce the release date".



Are you denying that's what happened?

[Fexelea]

You are grasping at straws.



I have not denied anything, particularly because stating that your point was "You will not read their posts until they post" is a fallacy, a circular argument.



Our point was: we will make us much noise as possible until we get an update and release date. We got both. It could have happened later, there could have been a March 11th announcement. Instead we get 3 weeks advance.



You can refuse to see the points we were trying to make and continue to try to validate yourself by repeating irrelevant statements. It does nothing for anyone else but you, so how about you leave the thread like you said you would so*many*times.

[Cuthlan]

You guys are doing this on purpose, right? Just to make sure they finally come along and lock this thread now that the official announcement thread exists?



Bravo

[Felipevelloso]

i'm glad this thread is finally over....

[Fexelea]

Lol Cuthlan I wish it were so.

[Bullets McDeath]

I've said it before, but the best way to insure I keep posting is to keep asking me not to.



It's not circular, you just continually twist my words to fit the parameters of your argument. I'm not saying you won't read their posts until they post it. You phrase it that way because you have no response to my actual point which is: no matter how much noise you make, all you are going to get is a release date.



You continually told me I was wrong about that. Perhaps it is you who needs to read more closely to understand what other people are saying.

[Fexelea]

You should go back and re-read your posts and the replies you got.



I have not twisted your argument in the slightest. You on the other hand have tried to twist ours repeatedly, stating we believe in conspiracy theories, we want someone to hold our hand, and we want minute-by-minute updates. We did not. We wanted an update and a release date asap. We got it.



Your re-casting of your point is not relevant to ours. "no matter how much noise you make, all you are going to get is a release date" has NO BEARING because what we wanted was a release date asap. And I firmly believe that noise affects such things. You are free to disagree, yet are not right as your statment is irrelevant to ours, which you were for some reason argueing against.

[Fangirl17]

Thank goodness we got a release date.

[Bullets McDeath]

Right, ok, it must have been someone else decrying Bio for their lack of communication and demanding updates all throughout the rest of this thread. My bad.

[tiamat2400]

Fex stop argueing with him it's pointless. People like that should be ignored unless there ignorance threatens your well being somehow just ignore. Plato/Socrates basically made my point and they are right.



Moving on good to hear somthing the delay seems to be marketing driven which is some what infuriating since I HATE marketing as a concept. Thats not really a slam against Bioware just that I hate marketing got A's in that but I still felt dirty.



Hope no ones talking about how they love Bioware for giving us a release date (the latest possible date without completely crushing sales). It seems like a wife being all thankful for getting flowers after getting abused on every other day. Not sure if i'll get it or not seeing how close to awakening which i still plan to get. The fact that you can't export your DLC stuff to the new game makes it pointless for everything except to see the story. Oh well anyways hopefully they will improve or I will be far less likely to buy a Bioware game in the future.

[Fexelea]

Indeed we complained about the lack of communication. And rightly so, given many aspects that people have talked about, which would be pointless to re-hash. We wanted to be updated on the status.

We got both an official thread for ps3 rto and a release date, like the other platforms had. That's all there is to it.

[Fexelea]

tiamat2400 wrote...

Fex stop argueing with him it's pointless. People like that should be ignored unless there ignorance threatens your well being somehow just ignore. Plato/Socrates basically made my point and they are right.

Moving on good to hear somthing the delay seems to be marketing driven which is some what infuriating since I HATE marketing as a concept. Thats not really a slam against Bioware just that I hate marketing got A's in that but I still felt dirty.

Hope no ones talking about how they love Bioware for giving us a release date (the latest possible date without completely crushing sales). It seems like a wife being all thankful for getting flowers after getting abused on every other day. Not sure if i'll get it or not seeing how close to awakening which i still plan to get. The fact that you can't export your DLC stuff to the new game makes it pointless for everything except to see the story. Oh well anyways hopefully they will improve or I will be far less likely to buy a Bioware game in the future.

Haha. Don't hate marketers. We are not all evil.
I do think that there should be some questioning regarding how "fair" it is to delay RTO so much after certification, but the reality is going to be that if they release it now it will not sell. That's pretty much a fact, people have changed the disc in their consoles and will likely be more tempted to buy closer to Awakenings. It's a business decision, that's not kind to those users who want it now, but in the end cannot be avoided... And tbh I prefer if the sales are good on PS3 so we get better support in the future.

[Fangirl17]

*sigh* But its anoying that we have to wait what three weeks? when its already been certified. For me it would be the opposite.I would be more likely to buy it now because I have nothing to do,I will be less likely to buy it three weeks from now because I will be playing FF13.But life isnt fair and Bioware doesnt revolve around my schedual. lol I guess I will never be happy with what they do with RTO.

[tiamat2400]

The same for me as Fangirl I'm more likely to buy it now but that doesn't say anything about the PS3 community as a whole. Not allowing DLC was a dumb idea in my oppinion not sure why they chose to exclude the equipment. In truth it probably would have become obsolete half way into awakening but it is "your stuff" I'm not gonna **** to much about it just think they made a mistake going that rought.



As an example of why marketing bothers me and this isn't a flame to the whole of marketing just the part I hate. "In a recent survey 4 out of 5 doctors prefer "whatever" which may have been true in that round but they may have done it 1000 times to get the result they wanted and chose that. That kind of stuff. I have a more specific complex example from a car insurance company but I got to go to work god 3#@% it.



At least this nightmare is over I'll have to occupy myself with Heavy Rain

[Fexelea]

It is annoying for us who have been waiting... I suppose the messup happened because it got delayed and the timeline got screwed, and re-scheduling can be pretty hard when you have product line planning for 2 years but are dependant on another party's approval and release schedule.

[Fexelea]

tiamat that's not always true... that kind of marketers are liars and frauds.

A real marketer will follow an information pyramid. Data--->Information--->Knowledge.

Knowledge is when you are in the know. Not the data, which would be the results of the survey, nor the information, which would be survey+context, but also adding industry specific tips n' tricks, and making a projection. Projections are then used to weight different scenarios to balance satisfying customer needs with profit line.

Since RTO got moved from its original place, it needs to find a new advertising wave to ride, and Awakenings would prove the closest bet.

[Myusha]

And this thread finally comes to a close. Thank you Fex. And outlaw, just move on, because if you havn't learn by now, NO ONE, is supporting you.

[Bullets McDeath]

No one except reality. You should visit him more often.

[atomicbunny]

I'm really going to miss these "awaiting word on RtO" threads....you all became like a cherished family to me.



LOLOL

[Myusha]

outlaworacle wrote...

No one except reality. You should visit him more often.

Oh yes. You put up such a persuasive argument just so you could convince REALITY to agree with you.
You were attempting to convince others to agree with you, however no one did agree with you in the end.
AKA, you failed. Congrats.

[Fangirl17]

Wow you guys are still at it? What are you even fighting about anyway?