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[Meshakhad]

I love the Viper. Both the Widow and the Mantis use an entire thermal clip for each shot. The Viper can kill more people with a single thermal clip, and do it faster.

[Mallissin]

I agree with Meshakhad. I mostly do headshots, so the Viper does more damage overall.



And no, you can't get the Widow AND AR or Shotgun. If you replay, you won't get the option to even change your decision on the collector ship when you reach the weapons pile that got you the upgrade the first time.



Which pissed me off royally, to be honest. I wanted to swap over to the AR and now it seems the only way to to start a new career.

[WillieStyle]

Meshakhad wrote...

I love the Viper. Both the Widow and the Mantis use an entire thermal clip for each shot. The Viper can kill more people with a single thermal clip, and do it faster.

How do you figure that?
You get ~1.5 shots from each thermal clip with the Widow.
I think you get 4-5 shots from each thermal clip with the Viper.

But 1 shot from the Widow does as much damage as 4.5 shots from the Viper.
I don't see how you can kill more people with Viper than the Widow on a single thermal clip unless you're counting overkill.

[agathonvasbattlestar]

Widow= bosskiller sure a ar is good for croud controll but so is the tempest. I could kill a harbinger controlled drone with a single heavy distrupter widow shot also good for taking down grunts quickly.

[Crossofthorns]

Widow( or X-98) weights 39 Kilograms(see description)

A Big ****ing Gun =P

Need to say something else??

[senojones]

Widow > everything, there is no way to prove otherwise.

Both the Widow and the Mantis use an entire thermal clip for each shot.
The Viper can kill more people with a single thermal clip, and do it
faster.

You're welcome to personal opinions, but dont back it up with false facts. At insanity level the damage per shot is unmatched.

Modifié par senojones, 11 février 2010 - 04:47 .

[Kilo Trip]

Meshakhad wrote...

I love the Viper. Both the Widow and the Mantis use an entire thermal clip for each shot. The Viper can kill more people with a single thermal clip, and do it faster.

This. ^^^^^^

A lot of people think the Widow is the end all sniper rifle, but it doesn't one shot everything even on normal with all the upgrades and bonus talents like Warp or AP ammo. Anything the Widow can one shot, the Viper can 2 shot. Add that into the fact that the Viper comes with way more ammo, an extremely high rate of fire, and one thermal clip will drop just about anything -- the Viper is the more powerful rifle. The rate of fire is high enough to no scope flanking melee enemies if you are in a tough spot with no time to switch guns also.

Once you get up into the higher difficulties, the tactical advantages of the Viper's high rate of fire and more damage per clip make it a far superior choice in almost any situation.

[Kilo Trip]

WillieStyle wrote...

Meshakhad wrote...

I love the Viper. Both the Widow and the Mantis use an entire thermal clip for each shot. The Viper can kill more people with a single thermal clip, and do it faster.

How do you figure that?
You get ~1.5 shots from each thermal clip with the Widow.
I think you get 4-5 shots from each thermal clip with the Viper.

But 1 shot from the Widow does as much damage as 4.5 shots from the Viper.
I don't see how you can kill more people with Viper than the Widow on a single thermal clip unless you're counting overkill.

Edit: Wow I misread your post big time, lol. But anyway... you can kill more people with the Viper. I speaks from much infilttrator experience. You kill em faster too.

Modifié par Kilo Trip, 12 février 2010 - 03:12 .

[Sfox1989]

Mallissin wrote...

I agree with Meshakhad. I mostly do headshots, so the Viper does more damage overall.

And no, you can't get the Widow AND AR or Shotgun. If you replay, you won't get the option to even change your decision on the collector ship when you reach the weapons pile that got you the upgrade the first time.

Which pissed me off royally, to be honest. I wanted to swap over to the AR and now it seems the only way to to start a new career.

I agree. I think if you are willing to do a second or third playthrough on the same character, you should be able to pick more weapons to learn. But thats just me

[tachycardia]

I guess you could choose AR if you didn't really want to be an infiltrator...but then why pick infiltrator?

I guess it's just me but I prefer slower, heavier hitting sniper rifles for my infiltrator. One shot one kill. The viper doesn't even feel like a sniper rifle. And an AR? Just spray that thing all over...not infiltrator style IMO.

Really, IMO the Widow blows all other weps out of the water for the infiltrator. Also, one of the best abilities for the Inf is the time-slowing with sniper aiming...viper and AR don't take advantage of this so much. Viper also requires you to be out of cover longer than the Widow does to get off the same damage which can be dangerous in higher difficulties. You can reload while in cover so having to reload isn't a big deal.  Not sure how long the +% dmg bonus from cloak lasts but I'm fairly sure the Widow benefits from it more as well.

Another thing to consider is that while the Widow only has an ammo reserve of 12-13, each clip you pick up has 2 bullets, unlike the Mantis where each one you pick up is 1 bullet.  I've only run out of ammo in 1 fight with the widow and that was the final boss fight.

Modifié par tachycardia, 12 février 2010 - 04:39 .

[monika26]

Definitely grab the Widow. I considered taking the assault rifle as well, but then I realized that I'm an Infiltrator, the Widow is a must! I also took the Widow as a Soldier, it's one of the most amazing weapons in the game.

[Tryst]

edit: incorrect rof

Modifié par Trystz, 12 février 2010 - 01:14 .

[NovaZero]

Wow, people are making the assumption that you're facing the same kind of enemy all the time...

[Athenau]

Viper does 81.9 damage a shot with a total of 60 shots, 0.65 seconds between shots, 1.5 second reload after every 12 shots. Total damage per full load of ammo is 4914.

This is wrong. The Viper uses the ROF number for refire. The ROF is 240, so it fires 4 rounds/sec (verified in-game).

Modifié par Athenau, 12 février 2010 - 01:13 .

[Tryst]

Ah, it appears the difference is if you hold down the button to fire, it appears to use the 0.65 rate, but you can press the button repeatedly to speed up your fire with the viper. Thanks. That will put the Viper's time to empty down to 21 seconds or so. So it comes down to cloaking it seems. If you cloak a lot, you'll boost the Widow's damage significantly more than you will the Viper's. Unless someone has been able to tell if you can get cloak damage for multiple shots? I tried, but couldn't tell a difference if I was getting the cloak damage to apply to more than the first shot.

[Turian Taurus]

I'm just comming to this point in the game with my new Infiltrator, was going to pick the Assault rifle but after reading this i'm definitely going to get the widow !!

[Divine Flame]

Widow is seriously just GODLIKE. It one shots through full Armor and sometimes full Shields. I've one shot Harbinger when he still had 1/4 of his Barrier and Full Armor. It was awesome. Also Scions. HATE THEM but with the Widow 3 cloaked headshots bye bye scion.

[MadImmortalMan]

Most of the time, I'm not fighting a boss or a heavy-hitter. I'm fighting a small swarm of things. If I have five or seven normal enemies coming down the alley at me, the viper can get every single one of them with one clip without reloading or coming out of zoom. Headshot, headshot, headshot, headshot. They all fall in a clump. With the Widow, you're team better be there to back you up, because you'll be lucky to get two shots off before they're on top of you.



I originally picked the Widow.After I got the thing, I found myself using the Viper anyway, and it was a wasted pick. I went back 20 hours of gameplay and re-ran from the collector ship mission so I could not pick the Widow.

[Hodster]

I hated the Viper it didn't feel like a sniper too me. I used the Mantis over the Viper. The Widow is awesome so get it.

[sandman7431]

The viper is like an M-16 with a long range scope on it. The Widow is like an M82. For me, this is a no-brainer when you're talking about the infiltrator. With the soldier, you have a legitimate argument that the viper can perform almost as well but the reality is that if you want to be a sniper, you should take the widow. The viper only becomes comparable when you can consistently squeeze off 5 headshots in rapid succession and even then, only the soldier maintains the damage bonus from adrenaline rush throughout all 5 shots. That's not to mention the fact that you will miss from time to time or your target will move or whatever. With the infiltrator's assasination cloak, you only get one shot with the damage bonus and the bonus is not as large as the adrenaline bonus. You don't take the infiltrator to pepper targets with gun fire. You take this class to sneak through the shadows and instantly kill enemies with one shot. Basically, the widow is the only way to go. It was tailor made for the infiltrator.

The alternative is to play the agent style infiltrator that takes the assault rifle and fights at close quarters. This can be fun too but honestly I find it inferior to the soldier in every way.

Modifié par sandman7431, 04 mars 2010 - 05:37 .

[Jaekahn]

I've posted an Infiltrator guide in which describes the uses of the Sniper Rifles at our disposal. If you wish to take a look, you may.

[Andaius20]

Widow all the way, I have no Idea why you'd pick a AR with you have the Temptest.

[Jaekahn]

Andaius20 wrote...

Widow all the way, I have no Idea why you'd pick a AR with you have the Temptest.

An assault rifle might be a good option if you are a CQC Infiltrator. CQC (Close Quarter Combat) players use their cloak to close the distance between them and their enemies, only to ambush and release a clip in their head. They are more prone to using the SMG oppose to the Sniper Rifle. As a result, the Viper is probably the better choice for a rifle for CQC players.

With this in mind, choosing a Widow is redundant when you already use the Viper to suit your playstyle. This opens up the possibility to choose either an Assault Rifle, which can deal more damage then Tempest and also provide you with a larger ammo capacity overall when combing your arsenal. Or you can choose the Shotgun, which offers an entirely unique playstyle in its own and has potential to give you an edge each time you ambush the target. Of course picking the shotgun with give you a playstyle familiar to the Vanguard since you are often in their face as is.

[tonnactus]

I tried out the widow.Good against armored enemies,but suck against enemies with strong shields like geth hunters.