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[Nightkind]

I'm just looking for an opinion here. Feel free to expand on your opinion.

If Ser Jory hadn't refused to go through with the Joining, do you think he would have survived the process?

Personally, I don't think he would've survived. He just seemed too cowardly to me. However, Daveth was pretty much the opposite and he still didn't survive. Seems like it's random, but I like to think that only the strong survive.

Any thoughts?

[AndreaDraco]

Since Flemeth called him "irrelevant", I highly doubt that he would have survived. Just my two cents, though.

[Thor Rand Al]

AndreaDraco wrote...

Since Flemeth called him "irrelevant", I highly doubt that he would have survived. Just my two cents, though.

Almost like she knew something before we did, kinda creepy though lol.

[SusanStoHelit]

I'm not so sure about whether he'd have survived or not. He not only had no guts at all - he didn't have a brain either. Don't drink = die. Drink = maybe live/maybe die. It doesn't take a genius to figure that one out. So he was both gutless and stupid.

My thought was, if he did survive, what a ghastly mess that would prove for the Wardens. Think of all that he could screw up. If he wasn't so clearly a plot device to show us that you can't refuse to drink - I'd say that Duncan made a very poor character judgement there.

[Edited for clarity.]

Modifié par SusanStoHelit, 10 février 2010 - 12:41 .

[Curlain]

SusanStoHelit wrote...

I'm not so sure about whether he'd have survived if he had any guts at all - or even any sense. Don't drink = die. Drink = maybe live/maybe die. It doesn't take a genius to figure that one out. So he was both gutless and stupid.

My thought was, if he did survive, what a ghastly mess that would prove for the Wardens. Think of all that he could screw up. If he wasn't so clearly a plot device to show us that you can't refuse to drink - I'd say that Duncan made a very poor character judgement there.

Jory could have solved the whole Dark Ritual issue easily though, don't need to recruit Loghain and don't need to take Morrigan's offer, just make Jory take the final blow (probably have to force him, but still  ) 

[Caozen]

Curlain wrote...
Jory could have solved the whole Dark Ritual issue easily though, don't need to recruit Loghain and don't need to take Morrigan's offer, just make Jory take the final blow (probably have to force him, but still  ) 

"What? N-no! There is no glory in this!"

[Herr Uhl]

Hey, Jory was a family man you bastards *shakes fist*. Always so unfeeling, if you want to hate, go for childless single people, like me (or Cammen)



As to the question at hand, I think not.

[Harelda]

Eh, as Duncan mentions something or other about not taking anyone he doesn't think has a chance to survive the Joining, I suspect physical fitness and the health of the recruit features in there somewhere. However, I'd imagine Jory is more able to cope with physically demanding stuff than, oh say, a petite female mage, and he's younger than Loghain so I'm going to make a wildly unfounded assumption that willpower also features in there. Sorta "I WILL survive, damnit!" Or maybe it's down to the strength of someone's immune system; some people are just more prone to getting sick from stuff like eating bad food, germs and drinking from chalices filled with poisonous blood. 

 But hopefully no.

Modifié par Harelda, 10 février 2010 - 12:48 .

[Sabriana]

He reminded me of Cailan. All glory and honor and such-like. He even told my PC that he intended to go back to his 'normal' life after the blight was defeated, heck he was all indignant when she asked him if he abandoned his wife.. He never grasped the implications of becoming a Grey Warden. He was a bad choice. I can only think that Duncan was too hard pressed to find recruits to look into it a bit more. Jory thought becoming a GW was all honor. In reality, grey is grey, and not black and white.

[Nonvita]

If he did survive I would have killed him afterward anyway, Wardens be damned. Imagine ending up with him instead of Alistair. *shudder*



This makes me want to go tell Alistair how much I appreciate him again...

[KrystylSky]

I wanted to also recruit Fennerel. He was brave and a cool rouge

[Nightkind]

Harelda wrote...

...so I'm going to make a wildly unfounded assumption that willpower also features in there. Sorta "I WILL survive, damnit!"...

Considering Daveth was all for it and had so much heart for being a Grey Warden, I personally don't think determination or willpower has anything to do with it. Just my view on that aspect.

[Nightkind]

Now that I think about it, BW should have given him red armor... you know, so that there would be no doubt.

[Sandtigress]

Nonvita wrote...

If he did survive I would have killed him afterward anyway, Wardens be damned. Imagine ending up with him instead of Alistair. *shudder*

This makes me want to go tell Alistair how much I appreciate him again...

Ugh, that would have been SOOOO awful.  I couldn't stand Jory, even in the, what 20 minutes max you inflict yourself with him?  Brings new meaning to that conversation you can have with Alistair about how he's glad he survived with you and vice verse, huh?

Ha, now imagine a world where it was Alistair and Jory who survived and not your PC at all....the world would have been doomed!

[Curlain]

Nightkind wrote...

Now that I think about it, BW should have given him red armor... you know, so that there would be no doubt.

I think I do remember him mentioning that he was a knight of the Order of the Red Shirt 

[Nightkind]

Curlain wrote...

Nightkind wrote...

Now that I think about it, BW should have given him red armor... you know, so that there would be no doubt.

I think I do remember him mentioning that he was a knight of the Order of the Red Shirt 

Now that is an order that I can't imagine too many people joining voluntarily. Maybe some sort of penal order. Definitely not something to brag about, you know, lest the Darkspawn hear it as "easy target."

[DPSSOC]

SusanStoHelit wrote...

I'm not so sure about whether he'd have survived or not. He not only had no guts at all - he didn't have a brain either.

Damn if he'd only been a heartless bastard we could all go see the wizard.

[Kekse2k]

Daveth did get a little annoying when he kept talking about turning into a toad, but...ahhh it would've been cool if he survived. Jory on the other hand...I don't think he would have survived...because...uhm...well I have nothing to support that claim. So...enchantment?

[Kryyptehk]

When I first played with my Mage, I was so angry at Duncan for killing Jory, but my boyfriend pointed out a very good point. Jory gave up his wife with child to go fight darkspawn. I know Ferelden isn't defended by a group of childless men, but what did Jory think was going to happen? Grey Wardens aren't just soldiers, they fight against the Archdemon, for Maker's sake.

And how far did he think he would get if he killed Duncan? If Alistair didn't immediately cut him down (which he would have), he is in the middle of an entire army.

No guts and not even any brains to make up for it.

Modifié par Kryyptehk, 10 février 2010 - 03:43 .

[Addai]

I think it's one of those situations where you never know how a person is going to react until they are in the moment. Sure, there are signs that Jory is out for the glory (that rhymes, give me a cookie) and that he's not truly committed, but is your PC necessarily? I know there were several of mine who weren't. It's not fair to Jory, IMO, to say that his fate was destined. That's why it's tragic. He could have become the Hero of Ferelden as easily as your PC.

[Kryyptehk]

Addai67 wrote...

I think it's one of those situations where you never know how a person is going to react until they are in the moment. Sure, there are signs that Jory is out for the glory (that rhymes, give me a cookie) and that he's not truly committed, but is your PC necessarily? I know there were several of mine who weren't. It's not fair to Jory, IMO, to say that his fate was destined. That's why it's tragic. He could have become the Hero of Ferelden as easily as your PC.

But not really. I understand what you're saying, but the reason our characters survive, where he doesn't, is because they are completely different. I'm not talking about the Joining itself, but him being killed the way he was. Even after seeing someone get cut down and someone else die from Joining, your character still goes through it instead of trying to book it. I think that if Jory had seen you and Daveth die, he still would have tried to escape. Because that is his character.

[DreGregoire]

I totally find myself wondering if he would have survived. Sometimes it makes me so sad that Duncan was forced to kill him. I've even caught myself thinking how much easier things might have been if we had one more warden to help out after Ostagar, but do you think the king would have sent him to the tower with Alistair and I or would Jory have joined the other Grey Wardens. I think there is a good chance he would have joined the battle at Ostagar and not survived with Alistair and I.

I think some of you are being too harsh on Ser Jory especially since Duncan killing him made it clear to you that refusal is not an option (this is probably more significant to a person that has been conscripted) not to refuse. It must have been a shock to him to realise that he may not even make it to fighting darkspawn (I think his whole wanting to be a grey warden is based on his need to prove himself capable, but drinking darkspawn blood doesn't, in his mind, help him prove himself). I admit I pick on him, saying he sounds like a coward and he's giving me a head ache as often as I am supportive of his issues. But then again I killed the wounded soldier a couple of times just to prove to Alistair who's in charge. So what, he has insecurities and because he couldn't wrap his head around drinking darkspawn blood it makes him a coward. I think not. It just makes him human. I mean there is a world of difference between willingly submitting to a possible death sentence and going to battle to battle to fight to prove your worth.

Modifié par DreGregoire, 11 février 2010 - 05:12 .

[AlgolagniaVolcae]

Who is Ser Jory? <Sarcasm>

[Spitz6860]

no, he's got so many ties. GWs are supposed to abandon their old life completely.