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[Hugmejohnny]

Don't worry my sexies this isn't a we wuv or we hate Oghren thread, I just have a question some post made me wonder about. Wanted to keep the answers as unbiased as possible so I steered clear of the other Oghren thread.

I noticed allot of people say they got Oghren last *cause Orz is tough and full of bearded homless people.* So I was wondering do you think more people would look foward to Oghren returning in awakaning if he had been gotten as early on as Sten and Mrs. Shoes? Cause I don't think I would have liked Morrigan, Sten, or Leliana if I hadn't had the entire game to travel with them and learn more about them.

:innocent:Thanky for answering my question and hopefully not flaming me and making me cry.

OH CRAP, ment this for the general discussion! Oh well, guess it somewhat fits in this section.

OK ANOTHER THOUGHT that came to mind. If you gave Oghren a chance and still found him lacking, then provide some proof and examples. I'm sorry, but I'm sure many would lie about giving him a chance just to make their bashing seem more legit.

Modifié par Hugmejohnny, 10 février 2010 - 04:05 .

[Wishpig]

Of course he would be. I bet 85% of the people who dislike him never gave him a chance. He serves the same damn role as Sten and is gotten last (excluding secret companion) much more then any other companion. Hell, people are already whining about Anders.

I bet this is even one of the reasons the devs are making him returning companion. I honestly think he may have been the HK-47 of Dragon Age had he not been so handicapped. Heh, he was even the last on the official website. Shown off a day before release. Screwed from the start!

Modifié par Wishpig, 10 février 2010 - 12:50 .

[Giant ambush beetle]

For me it wouldnt make any difference, as example, I got shale right before going to the final battle only solving the personal quest in Orzammar - I really liked shale right after picking her/him/it up.

[Hugmejohnny]

Wishpig wrote...
 Heh, he was even the last on the official website. Shown off a day before release. Screwed from the start!

Wow, didn't know that. He's the only one on the website with a wallpaper though.

[Wishpig]

The Woldan wrote...

For me it wouldnt make any difference, as example, I got shale right before going to the final battle only solving the personal quest in Orzammar - I really liked shale right after picking her/him/it up.

Thats cause shales a 10 foot golemn that rips boulders out of the ground and throws them at people while making witty remarks. If you don't even know what her sex was, obviously you were simply judging a book by it's cover. Which is the point in question.

I liked shale off the bat too, but then grew to dislike her. Oghren's humor may have revolved around crude remarks, but they were far more varied then Shale's constant refrences to birds. Travled with her in my group for ten+ hours, then relished that moment in the dwarf zone.

Modifié par Wishpig, 10 février 2010 - 01:01 .

[Herr Uhl]

I went there first and brought him with me during my first playthrough, so I wouldn't know.

I happen to like bearded homeless people. That, and the lore of the dwarves seemed a lot more interesting to me than running through the woods with arrogant elves, going right back to the circle or going to a little insignificant town.



And that friggin delay until his character page came up, we knew more about Walter the tower guard than him *shakes fist at devs*

[Giant ambush beetle]

If you don't even know what her sex was, obviously you were simply judging a book by it's cover. Which is the point in question

Well she was female, ''rock does not have a gender'' to quote it, so its an ''it''. You should have known that if you played the DLC. 

Thats cause shales a 10 foot golemn that rips boulders out of the ground and throws them at people while making witty remarks.

You sound like liking something completely different is bad....well its not you know. Boulder throwing stone Golems on a rampage are more fun than a drinking clishee-dwarf. 

[Wishpig]

The Woldan wrote...

If you don't even know what her sex was, obviously you were simply judging a book by it's cover. Which is the point in question

Well she was female, ''rock does not have a gender'' to quote it, so its an ''it''. You should have known that if you played the DLC. 

Thats cause shales a 10 foot golemn that rips boulders out of the ground and throws them at people while making witty remarks.

You sound like liking something completely different is bad....well its not you know. Boulder throwing stone Golems on a rampage are more fun than a drinking clishee-dwarf. 

Obviously I played the DLC if I had shale in my group. I figured since you didn't know if it was a he or a she or an it  you must not have really learned that much about her, which was my point.

Golems are as common as dwarfs in fantasy games, the only two things I really liked about Shale was she looked cool and rock throwing branch. That was it. I care more about comapnions personalities then apparance.

Modifié par Wishpig, 10 février 2010 - 01:11 .

[TheMadCat]

Of course he would be. I bet 85% of the people who dislike him never gave him a chance. He serves the same damn role as Sten and is gotten last (excluding secret companion) much more then any other companion. Hell, people are already whining about Anders.

Eh, I gave him plenty of time on one playthrough. Got him fairly early and aside from Alistair, Leliana, and Zev he was the most common NPC in my party. He had a few moments of true brightness, but they were incredibly few and far between and most of his banter revolved around cheap humor and low brow actions and overall he was incredibly shallow. To me there was nothing special about him and from top to bottom he was one of the worst companions in the game. Now I'm not upset he is the one in Awakening, this is a good chance for them to salvage and redeem his character and give him more of those few glimmers of brightness I saw from him in Origins.

[Hugmejohnny]

TheMadCat wrote...

Of course he would be. I bet 85% of the people who dislike him never gave him a chance. He serves the same damn role as Sten and is gotten last (excluding secret companion) much more then any other companion. Hell, people are already whining about Anders.

Eh, I gave him plenty of time on one playthrough. Got him fairly early and aside from Alistair, Leliana, and Zev he was the most common NPC in my party. He had a few moments of true brightness, but they were incredibly few and far between and most of his banter revolved around cheap humor and low brow actions and overall he was incredibly shallow. To me there was nothing special about him and from top to bottom he was one of the worst companions in the game. Now I'm not upset he is the one in Awakening, this is a good chance for them to salvage and redeem his character and give him more of those few glimmers of brightness I saw from him in Origins.

If read a few of your posts, your a good smart and honest dude, so DO NOT TAKE THIS AS DIRECTED AT U. As it is not. I just realised a major flaw in my thread. People lie on forums. ALLOT. Those who dislike Oghren aren't gonna say they never game him a chance. That would hurt their case. their gonna say they played with him allot and decided after 20+ hours that he was a horrible horrible character.

I hope people will answer honestly or not at all.

Modifié par Hugmejohnny, 10 février 2010 - 01:17 .

[Giant ambush beetle]

Wishpig wrote...
That was it. I care more about comapnions personalities then apparance.

That line with Oghren in mind is a pure oxymoron. 

Shale does not remember too much from its past, Oghren is shallow as hell (Yes, I talked with him a lot and got high approval,same with shale) , both are less than ideal party members regarding personality. But Shale is just plain entertaining in battle, as you agreed. The only thing Oghren was good for was unlocking berserker. 

Modifié par The Woldan , 10 février 2010 - 01:23 .

[DragonmonkeyX]

Hugmejohnny wrote...

TheMadCat wrote...

Of course he would be. I bet 85% of the people who dislike him never gave him a chance. He serves the same damn role as Sten and is gotten last (excluding secret companion) much more then any other companion. Hell, people are already whining about Anders.

Eh, I gave him plenty of time on one playthrough. Got him fairly early and aside from Alistair, Leliana, and Zev he was the most common NPC in my party. He had a few moments of true brightness, but they were incredibly few and far between and most of his banter revolved around cheap humor and low brow actions and overall he was incredibly shallow. To me there was nothing special about him and from top to bottom he was one of the worst companions in the game. Now I'm not upset he is the one in Awakening, this is a good chance for them to salvage and redeem his character and give him more of those few glimmers of brightness I saw from him in Origins.

If read a few of your posts, your a good smart and honest dude, so DO NOT TAKE THIS AS DIRECTED AT U. As it is not. I just realised a major flaw in my thread. People lie on forums. ALLOT. Those who dislike Oghren aren't gonna say they never game him a chance. That would hurt their case. their gonna say they played with him allot and decided after 20+ hours that he was a horrible horrible character.

I hope people will answer honestly or not at all.

I admit that I never really gave him a chance, but that was because his personality just came off as really stupid/low brow and I didn't really like that. I brought Sten instead since I liked his character a lot more.

That said, I do like the idea of trying to get to know Oghren a bit better even though I would prefer one of the other characters to be the returning companion.

[TheMadCat]

If read a few of your posts, your a good smart and honest dude, so DO NOT TAKE THIS AS DIRECTED AT U. As it is not.
I just realised a major flaw in my thread. People lie on forums. ALLOT.
Those who dislike Oghren aren't gonna say they never game him a chance.
That would hurt their case. their gonna say they played with him allot
and decided after 20+ hours that he was a horrible horrible character.

Oh I'll agree with the assessment that most people claiming Oghren was a bad character never gave him a fair shake and you are correct many would flat out lie in an attempet to solidfy their opinion. 

I don't dislike Oghren persay, he had his moments and his premise had a lot of promise. But in Origins that premise got squandred in exchange for some cheap humor and because of that he drops quite far down the list for me. He had his moments and they were great. His moment with the Guardian in the temple was nothing short of brillant, using him when taking the letters to the widows made me smile, his little sidequest was interesting and talking the time you talk about Branka lent a lot of credence to his character. Beyond that though there was nothing of any real substance there. But like I said, hopefully they sort of redeem themselves and take advantage of that premise a bit more in Awakening, he does have the capability of being an amazing character, they just have to make it so that dirty middle school humor isn't his center theme.

BTW I know you didn't direct any challenge at me, i just felt like explaining my stance a bit more.

Modifié par TheMadCat, 10 février 2010 - 01:38 .

[Hugmejohnny]

The Woldan wrote...

Wishpig wrote...
That was it. I care more about comapnions personalities then apparance.

That line with Oghren in mind is a pure oxymoron. 

Shale does not remember too much from its past, Oghren is shallow as hell (Yes, I talked with him a lot and got high approval,same with shale) , both are less than ideal party members regarding personality. But Shale is just plain entertaining in battle, as you agreed. The only thing Oghren was good for was unlocking berserker. 

Thread starting to derail, this is what the other thread was for. I don't think Shale or Oghren were shallow so that nullfiies both of you POOF. This thread is based on a single question, lets try to focus on that question.

Modifié par Hugmejohnny, 10 février 2010 - 01:46 .

[ImNotTrent]

I noticed allot of people say they got Oghren last *cause Orz is tough and full of bearded homless people.* So I was wondering do you think more people would look foward to Oghren returning in awakaning if he had been gotten as early on as Sten and Mrs. Shoes? Cause I don't think I would have liked Morrigan, Sten, or Leliana if I hadn't had the entire game to travel with them and learn more about them.

to answer your question. no, i do not think it would matter for the most part,when someone gains Oghren as a party member. as for me personally, it didn't matter that i got Morrigian, Sten, Alistair, and Leliana early on, i don't like any of them. i do find Oghren entertaining, but he is shallow, he is a frat boy, it's all about the booze, chicks and violence.

Modifié par ImNotTrent, 10 février 2010 - 02:05 .

[ImNotTrent]

wrong code used, you know it's suppose to be italics.

[Herr Uhl]

ImNotTrent wrote...
i do find Oghren entertaining, but he is shallow, he is a frat boy, it's all about the booze, chicks and violence.

Frat boys drink because it's fun, Oghren drink because he doesn't want to think. The womanizing and violence derives from that.

He is rather an old alcoholic than a frat boy. Bringing him to the guardian gives more insight in his character for those who don't already pick up on that during Orzammar.

[errant_knight]

I think that's part of it, but I think biggest issue has absolutely nothing to do with Oghren. The main resentment is that if Oghren is the returning character, any given romanceable character is not. People want their favorite, and not getting that, they're lashing out about the character they do seem most likely to be getting. If Wynne appeared to be the returning character, I think we'd be seeing just as much negativity toward her.

[bobsmyuncle]

Well, I've done a playthrough where I got Oghren early on, and I do like him, but I see him as a comedy character. He's funny to do one game with, and if he's the returning character I'm probably not going to bother with him just because I find him funny rather than compelling.

[Demx]

Oghren seemed to be more friendly to me than Alistair, even though they both had been maxed out with approval points. So I've always wanted him to come back.

Modifié par Siradix, 10 février 2010 - 02:27 .

[Kwanzaabot]

I like Oghren, and I'm looking forward to having him in my party BECAUSE I got him last.



He's an interesting character, and really, the only reason why I held off from getting him (I would've done Orzammar first otherwise) is that by the time I leave Lothering, I have all the warrior-types I could ever possibly want.

That's what I think the main problem with Oghren is. By the time you're ready to get those Warden treaties, you'll already have a team full of warriors- Al, Dog, Sten... even the PC in some cases!

Why bother with another one?

Making him available in Awakening is a good thing... hopefully the other party members will be mostly rogues and mages, so he doesn't get shafted again.

[Caozen]

As stated by the Dragon Age wiki, according to Sheryl Chee, nearly all of the writers associated with the game had a hand in writing him.



Maybe they didn't have enough time or space to do what they wanted with him in the base game?

[Kekse2k]

I regretted getting doing the Orzammar quest line last on my first playthrough because, after I got Oghren, I kept wondering to myself what I missed by getting him last. He's funny, but then again, I am aware that I am easily amused. On my second playthrough, I tried to do Orzammar as soon as possible just to get him in my party and drag him around. Some of his lines are just...brilliant. He holds no reservations when it comes to speaking his mind. So, in the end, I'd have to say that getting him earlier in the game would help, and I am definitely looking forward to him in Awakenings...

[Hugmejohnny]

Kekse2k wrote...

I regretted getting doing the Orzammar quest line last on my first playthrough because, after I got Oghren, I kept wondering to myself what I missed by getting him last. He's funny, but then again, I am aware that I am easily amused. On my second playthrough, I tried to do Orzammar as soon as possible just to get him in my party and drag him around. Some of his lines are just...brilliant. He holds no reservations when it comes to speaking his mind. So, in the end, I'd have to say that getting him earlier in the game would help, and I am definitely looking forward to him in Awakenings...

Good someone else used brilliant to describe his lines, I was gonna say the same thing, but figured some one would mock me for it. His dialogs are very very dirty but also very very diffrent, clever, and well written. The polishing weapon dialog with Alistair remains my favorite and ALWAYS cracks me up . the voice actor is great too, that creepy giggle is perfect.

Only way to hear them is to travel around allot with him. Hence my question

[MandatoryDenial1]

I am sorry Oghren was a waste of my time. Honestly I was greatly annoyed when I had to carry his useless dwarven arse into the broodmother/caradin fight. He was a paper tiger and hit the ground fast. Add to this I hated his personality and was generally worthless for everything but a buff. No I am not happy Oghren is coming back. I am down right disappointed that the only companion with an Orlesian background isn't coming back. I am down right disappointed that there will be no continuity for me from DA:O and DA: A. The only thing that mildly interested me at this point was the chance to see Alistair/Anora again. Honestly the more I am reading on this forum the more disappointed I am getting that there will be nothing tieing the expansion and the original game together for me from my save.



Honestly I think the only reason they decided on Oghren was that it was the most convenient choice and it required the least amount of work. I am downright disappointed.