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[Lakmoots]

sooo... many say this:

"Those who do not like him never gave him a chance or traveled with him".

I am really, really tired of this argument.

Oghren is a two dimensional cliche that farts, drinks and makes bad jokes... whether or not you take him along depends on how many *extra* opportunities he has to show you that he is nothing but a bad cliche.

He does nothing extra... bad creepy dialogue with all the girls, more drinking, more farting... there is nothing there.

His personal quest takes less than sixty seconds... less than anyone bar Zevran - and you could argue his battle takes longer.

The only time Oghren gets to show even a remote personality is during Branka's quest, which *everyone* gets to see.

The fact that he is so irrelevant to the main game in terms of commenting on *anything* makes me wonder whether his character will be changed for Awakening... at least a recovering alchoholic has some personality...

[MandatoryDenial1]

Lakmoots I agree completely with your well worded analysis. I am going to reiterate something I said earlier. Oghren was the easy choice. That is why he was there. It would have taken a lot more effort to put Leilana in and honestly I think that is why she isn't there.

So instead we get the only character that it was probably the most forgetable for those of us who were old enough to remember writing masterpieces like Baldur's Gate and Torment. What made Baldur's Gate: tales of the Sword Coast so good was that there was continuity. It integrated into the players experience, I really think it is to bad that Bioware doesn't seem to remember this with the "Spiritual successor".

Modifié par MandatoryDenial1, 10 février 2010 - 03:49 .

[Hugmejohnny]

Lakmoots wrote...

sooo... many say this:

"Those who do not like him never gave him a chance or traveled with him".

I am really, really tired of this argument.

Oghren is a two dimensional cliche that farts, drinks and makes bad jokes... whether or not you take him along depends on how many *extra* opportunities he has to show you that he is nothing but a bad cliche.

He does nothing extra... bad creepy dialogue with all the girls, more drinking, more farting... there is nothing there.

His personal quest takes less than sixty seconds... less than anyone bar Zevran - and you could argue his battle takes longer.

The only time Oghren gets to show even a remote personality is during Branka's quest, which *everyone* gets to see.

The fact that he is so irrelevant to the main game in terms of commenting on *anything* makes me wonder whether his character will be changed for Awakening... at least a recovering alchoholic has some personality...

If your tired of these arguments why do you keep responding? When I'm tired of a forum topic I stop posting in it. Regaurdless I'll put you down for a no it would not matter . It's funny how me and you feel the excat opposit. Niether of us is wrong or right. I kinda find that comforting.

you strike me as a fella who would notice and appreciate if they gave Oghren the depth you want, so I hope they do.

MandatoryDenial1 wrote...

Lakmoots I agree completely
with your well worded analysis. I am going to reiterate something I
said earlier. Oghren was the easy choice. That is why he was there. It
would have taken a lot more effort to put Leilana in and honestly I
think that is why she isn't there.

So instead we get the only
character that it was probably the most forgetable for those of us who
were old enough to remember writing masterpieces like Baldur's Gate and
Torment. What made Baldur's Gate: tales of the Sword Coast so good was
that there was continuity. It integrated into the players experience, I
really think it is to bad that Bioware doesn't seem to remember this
with the "Spiritual successor".

Not the thread for this. You dislike Oghren fine, but unless it ties into the question of the thread take it elsewhere. Lakmoot did a good job in describing how he thinks Oghren is shallow after obviously giving him a chance, which is the kind of response I was looking for. By the way, I love BG series and Oghren, don't downtalk people cause they have diffrent opinions.

Modifié par Hugmejohnny, 10 février 2010 - 03:56 .

[Mass Fraud]

I don't understand all the hate he gets, I like him.

[Cuddlezarro]

having actually made an effort to try to use Oghren for an entire playthrough I have to say there is potential for the character post origins

its just a shame his best conversations in origins (aka the ones that give incite and actual development) are hidden amongst the stereotypical drunken dwarf that likes to fart and beat stuff up and are few and far between

hopefully they follow the Oghren sobers up ending and heavily tone down on the fart jokes

Modifié par Cuddlezarro, 10 février 2010 - 04:07 .

[Kekse2k]

I can't help but imagine what a character with his background is supposed to act. He goes to the surface, allowing himself to be branded as a casteless dwarf, though he was married to a Paragon and was a good, albeit bloodthirsty, member of the warrior caste. He searched for Branka, though everyone else had given up, only to see her as a monster (couldn't think of a better word) who left him for a woman and allowed the whole house to succumb to the darkspawn taint so she could get what she wanted, as was her right (in her opinion) as a Paragon.

I can see how he can be labeled as a typical drunk, cliched, etc. I don't intend to impose my opinion onto anyone else's - perhaps I just admire his ignorance...or his banter with Wynne was just too funny for me to forget...either way *lol*

Modifié par Kekse2k, 10 février 2010 - 04:10 .

[MandatoryDenial1]

Not the thread for this. You dislike Oghren fine, but unless it ties into the question of the thread take it elsewhere. Lakmoot did a good job in describing how he thinks Oghren is shallow after obviously giving him a chance, which is the kind of response I was looking for. By the way, I love BG series and Oghren, don't downtalk people cause they have diffrent opinions.

Sorry wasn't asking for your approval nor was I talking to you.  I was expressing my opinion concerning Oghren and why he in my opinion could have been put in the expansion.  Don't like it, honestly I don't care.

Modifié par MandatoryDenial1, 10 février 2010 - 04:03 .

[Hugmejohnny]

MandatoryDenial1 wrote...

Not the thread for this. You dislike Oghren fine, but unless it ties into the question of the thread take it elsewhere. Lakmoot did a good job in describing how he thinks Oghren is shallow after obviously giving him a chance, which is the kind of response I was looking for. By the way, I love BG series and Oghren, don't downtalk people cause they have diffrent opinions.

Sorry wasn't asking for your approval nor was I talking to you.  I was expressing my opinion concerning Oghren and why he in my opinion could have been put in the expansion.  Don't like it, honestly I don't care.

I created the thread and would appriciate people sticking to the question of the thread. Please, I would appriciate it ../../../images/forum/emoticons/love.png There are other threads that are the perfect place for you to vent your, errr, rage. You are forgiven though.

Modifié par Hugmejohnny, 10 février 2010 - 04:15 .

[MandatoryDenial1]

Hugmejohnny wrote...

I created the thread and would appriciate people sticking to the question of the thread. Please, I would appriciate it There are other threads that are the perfect place for you to vent your, errr, rage. You are forgiven though.

No rage here, just passion and belief.  That being said, I will respect your wish.

[Hugmejohnny]

MandatoryDenial1 wrote...

Hugmejohnny wrote...

I created the thread and would appriciate people sticking to the question of the thread. Please, I would appriciate it There are other threads that are the perfect place for you to vent your, errr, rage. You are forgiven though.

No rage here, just passion and belief.  That being said, I will respect your wish.

Passion and rage frequently blend together. Lets be thankfull that bioware are skilled enough to draw these feelings out of fans. Says allot.

[MandatoryDenial1]

Hugmejohnny wrote...

Passion and rage frequently blend together. Lets be thankfull that bioware are skilled enough to draw these feelings out of fans. Says allot.

While it may blend together, its not here.  I think its more likely that inflection and tone are really hard to tell over text.  To your second point, I agree completely.  Honestly Bioware has been the one company which has consistantly been able to get me to care about characters in a story.  That does indeed speak volumes for them and distinguishes them from almost anyone else in the industry.   I am also reminded of what they said about Jack in Mass Effect 2.  They know they have a good character when people either love or "hate" them.  So perhaps with Oghren they have succeeded by Bioware's rubric.  Problem being for those who don't like Oghren, there is a disconnect now with the expansion.

Modifié par MandatoryDenial1, 10 février 2010 - 04:24 .

[Dick Delaware]

Oghren's good for some funny lines, but he's hardly anything more than a two-dimensional character good for anything more than a joke or two. I genuinely felt some emotion for him after seeing his nightmare in the Fade, but I wish he had more compelling moments like that - he had potential to be an interesting subversion of your typical boisterous drunken dwarf that you see in pretty much every fantasy story.



I know it hasn't been *officially* confirmed, but I'd much prefer if Sten or Zevran were the returning companions (even though I realize that they can't due to obvious continuity issues). While Zevran was hilarious (that line that he utters at the Hermit's camp is probably the funniest thing in the entire game) he was also very well-developed as a character.

[Ibby1kanobi]

He's just an extremely one dimensional character. Almost all the interactions with him were about being drunk. He had no depth as a character. Even his scene with that one dwarf chick at the Inn was very lame. He's just a lame character. Hell, Sten who was a stoic and reserved as a character had more depth and story to him.



Nothing would have helped Oghren's case in my opinion. He's just a bad character.

[Vicious]

Oghren gets a poor shake because he cares about axes and ale, like a proper dwarf, and isn't afraid to hide it.



Personally I liked him, he was a better friend to my PC than Alistair ever was... but I told Alistair I didn't want to be a Grey Warden [i was conscripted] and i got a instant -10 disapproval. So I guess our relationship was doomed from the start.

[Zabaniya]

Personally, I think Oghren has more depth to that. He's pretty much a reflection of alcoholics. When they can't handle something, they turn to alcohol to escape from reality and hit a vicious cycle. Which puts him on the level of Leliana and Alistair in my opinion in terms of backstory and character complexity and to a certain extent, Zevran. Leliana turned to religion to escape from her life as a bard and Alistair wanted to turn away from his bloodline and responsibilities and we know about Zevran's past before he signed up on the mission. I find that after you get him to 100, he reveals that he regrets alcohol and he's extremely grateful that you took him in when no one else would. That alone probably made me rethink his character as more of a deeper one although many of his lines were crude (albeit sort of humorous), especially when he wanted to meet up with Felsi (that scene was just... awkward).
Is he as complex as some characters? In my opinion, not really. Like someone else said, Zevran has a far deeper backstory and other characters are even more flawed and change more (like Morrigan) but I personally think Oghren's not too bad of a character. If they can give him even more depth in the expansion (assuming he IS the returner character), I'd be thrilled.

Modifié par Zabaniya, 10 février 2010 - 08:35 .

[ComTrav]

I think Oghren gets a bum rap because people write him off as a thin-but-entertaining stereotype, and there are only a few moments in the game where you see the troubled pathos underneath the ASS-CHAPS. And you have to really work to find these moments, and if you don't like him initially, you're not going to bother to, say, take him to the Guardian of the Ashes.

Which is why I think they're bringing him back for Awakening. Oghren's problem is that his character arc has already happened by the time you pick him in DAO, like some dwarven berserker version of Bartleby the Scrivener. I think bringing him along gives him the potential for a new arc to expand upon the character.

Modifié par ComTrav, 10 février 2010 - 08:26 .

[zeIex]

I have nothing against him. Oghren is great fun and made me laugh few time from the bottom of my heart. He is nice spice in the game and maybe good character for someone elses party. I played DA:O thru two times and sorry to say, didn't get him to fit in any of my parties well enough that he would rise on one of my favourite characters.



Personally, Sten was one of my favourites, but I don't have problem with that somebody disliked him. He had just right abilities and growed in to my party at the beginning, also his storyline and personality made me to keep him hanging on instead of Oghren. These things are more matter of taste than anything you should make excuses. All of them are not interesting for me, someone else will find there deeper aspect...

[Giant ambush beetle]

I think bringing him along gives him the potential for a new arc to expand upon the character.

Only if Awakening is at least 15 hours long.

Ok, I'll shut up now.

[Maria Caliban]

Hugmejohnny wrote...

 So I was wondering do you think more people would look foward to Oghren returning in awakaning if he had been gotten as early on as Sten and Mrs. Shoes?

No.

[Proposition_Joe]

No

[SinYang]

No.

[Ponce de Leon]

JUST GIMME THE DAMNED CHIP!

[Maferath]

I don't think so. We all know the real disappointment is with the romance characters not coming back... Oghren being a good or bad character has nothing to do with it.

[sierra-357]

I think what Bioware did with Oghren is great. Sure he's a drunkard, a warrior, and a hodgepodge of bad (albeit occasionally funny) cliches. However, by starting down at rock bottom, the writers at Bioware are presented with such a great opportunity for character development (and maybe some sobering) in Awakening. I mean in DA:O the only personal quest you have is being his wing-man..

[Vanderbilt_Grad]

In answer to the OP, it likely would have made at least a little difference, however his crude style simply turns a lot of folks off. The fact that the game FORCES you to use him at a certain point is also pretty rude and generates resentment. Overall I thought Oghren was the least likeable of the game NPCs ... no matter where you got him. To me his jokes are the kind of thing you can listen to once and laugh at but fail on multiple playthoughs.