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[PunkxRonin]

So I've played through ME2 a few times now. Soldier, Vanguard, Renegade, Paragon, etc...

Each time I start I really try to go into it with an open mind when it comes to the characters... But each time I find I'm at a loss when it comes to Grunt. He feels very under developed. As it stands it feels like he's just the tolken Krogan squadmember. He lacks the character Wrex had, and I feel it is like a missed oppertunity.

I love the Korgan as a species... Their persionallties, views on strength/honor/battle is awesome. Wrex was compelling, at first he seemed like a big angry Krogan, but you started to see his feelings on he genophage and the plight of his people. This was expanded upon in ME2 (assuming he lived for your games) as you see him again.

Grunt on the other hand just seemed like a run of the mill "angry krogan" who happens to be genetically perfect... Ok, it's like they had a plan there, but either intentionally left it vague for ME3, or just flat forgot about it.

Did any one else get a different impression on Grunt? Is he more complex then I'm giving him credit for? Did I miss something?

[Yorick of the Damned]

I do. Guy's more complex because he doesn't know anything about his memories or what his purpose is. That's why his subquest is to go to Tutchanka and investigate his own puberty ritual. Grunt is also the most loyal party member to Shepard, even more so then Wrex since he defends Shepard's honor on very many occasions rather then his own.

[Kwonnern]

I do broham.



He is more than a mere Juggernaut.

[Mak89]

No I felt he lacked development as well. He was pretty straight forward. Even Jacob had more to talk about. I wrote a topic before about how I would've liked to see The Patriarch as a squadmate instead, but I still like Grunt. He just wasn't deep at all.

[Eradyn]

I love Grunt. I was (and still am) a huge Wrex fan, so I was so sure I wouldn't like having the "bloodthirsty dog-snarling-at-the-end-of-his-chain" that I heard he would be. He's a lot deeper than I thought and I definitely appreciate the dimensions BW gave him.

[kennyme2]

I'd have also liked to see his character explored more but I guess when you come down to it, there really isn't that much to delve into to begin with. He loves fighting but didn't know WHAT HE WAS FIGHTING FOR!!!!! (Sorry, Zero reference) Now he does know and still loves fighting.



I guess it's his simplicity that makes his character. He got one layer and that's all he needs.

[FlashedMyDrive]

I liked him.

[cronshaw8]

Grunt is awesome. How can you not feel like a badass when he says "Shepard is my battlemaster, he has no equal."

[Urmar]

Grunt is one of the only pure combat squaddies (i.e. no tech, no biotics) and I love having him on the team to deal with close combat situations. I also enjoy the story regarding his Rites and acceptance as a "real" Krogan. I thought it was well-done and a logical riff following the genophage ...

[PunkxRonin]

Don't get me wrong its not like I hate the guy... in fact quite the opposite. I just want more out of him, because he feels a bit shallow to me. I get the conflict about his "memories" and being a tank-born. I also realize he may be one of the most loyal crew members, and trust me havin' a bad-ass Krogan backing you is some thing to be proud of.



I just wish there was more interaction between him/Shepard... Or delving more into his persionallity. All I generally hear from him is how much he likes to smash things, or how our enemies should be afraid. All fine and good for a Krogan, but it makes him seem one dimensional.

[Gill Kaiser]

He could have done with one or two more conversations, but I still liked the guy. I thought he was a good juxtaposition to Wrex.

[ComTrav]

I like him.

"I'll keep killing things, and you do that...funny human thing you do."



And Bioware did a good job teasing the character without revealing his origin.

[Kwonnern]

He's the dude that settles things with a headbutt.

Gotta have one o those in your squad.

Strong, silent type, doesn't need to be too talkative.

Let Mordin talk and Grunt do the headbutting.

Modifié par Kwonnern, 10 février 2010 - 05:47 .

[jinrsx]

Okeer imprinted the names of great warlords but he didn't imprint Urdnot Wrex, the greatest one of all.

[FlashedMyDrive]

"I'd never stab you in the back, Shepard. Warriors like you and me, straight to the face."

[Eradyn]

Gill Kaiser wrote...

He could have done with one or two more conversations, but I still liked the guy. I thought he was a good juxtaposition to Wrex.

Really, most if not all of the squad members could have used a few more conversations. =/ One of my beefs with ME2 (which is a stellar game I think) is the shallow squad interactions/relationship development.  From Garrus forever calibrating his guns to Thane's need for perpetual meditation to Miranda's unending business...I felt there were far too many lost opportunities for real character development/fleshing out.

Grunt was definitely a good alternative to Wrex, though.  I found it appealing being able to be this guy's Battlemaster and help him (to an insignificant degree) get a grasp on the world and his own place in it.  Just wish there was more...

[Arelyte]

He had me at "Battlemaster."

[Big Yam]

I like him.  He's the only guy who regularly says something new in between missions.

[321scooter]

OP, everything you're saying about Grunt is accurate, and exactly what makes him who he is. He's essentially a child who has no family and no purpose. You help him find both.



What makes him interesting is his personal conflict: what he knows he was made for, and what he wants to be.

[Doumeki]

Grunt is a true bro. He's like the little brother I never had, that.. um.. regens 55 hp/second... and umm... helps me conc.shot barriers off of pesky Harbingers...

Yea...

Grunt rules.

[AtreiyaN7]

I like him - enjoyed being his krantt. I think he was calling me his warlord at the end too (hah, femShep warlord).

[eternalnightmare13]

Grunt is one of the better developed characters. His search for identity and issues with being a clanless krogan is great. Plus, he's kick ass in combat and has some great one liners.

[redloz]

I was very surprised to like him as much as I did. I found him quite sweet, how excited he got as he began to discover and understand his aggression, and his purpose. He's so new to life and Shepard plays a pivitol role in every discovery he makes about himself -



I felt quite proud when Shep agrees to fight alongside him on Tuchanka to prove his worth to the Urdnot clan, and when he calls Shepard 'Battlemaster', it's quite moving.



I mean he's a born and bred fierce warrior but he's lost to begin with, Shepard has to prove himself/herself to Grunt outside of the main mission itself, and lead by example.



Most of the other crew are there as a moral or personal obligation to stop the collectors, (with afew exceptions), but Grunt is the only squad member searching for his personal focus, and actual place of existance, working through instincts he doesn't yet understand. It makes his loyalty very touching, in my opinion.

[Jax Sparrow]

 He was just "born" how much depth do you expect him to have?  I think his lack of development is apart of the character and leads to his experience on Tuchanka.  Wrex has several centuries of backhistory for them to fill in, and Grunt has... Sure he has mental imprints of whatever Okeer wanted but I imagine that will take "time" to hash out in his krogan brain... their not known for their intelligence afterall and Drell are the ones with eidetic memory, not Krogan.  My point is that I doubt Grunt consciousness has fully percolated.