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[Larask]

I really like how the N7 armor looks on Fem Shepard. But the other ones... not so much.

[Darth Obvious]

Sounds like some people only think that a woman can look tough if she looks like a man. That's bull****.



We're not asking for bare midriffs or big boobs, we just want armor that doesn't make FemShep look like she is wearing a football uniform made for men.



The game is set in a futuristic setting with virtually no melee combat, so why do we need these big, bulky shoulder pads anyway?

[arek_celera]

The Demonologist wrote...

Not to be that guy, but it -is- military gear. Doesn't need to be sexy to work.

What guy is that?  The guy who actually makes sense?

[SethSteiner]

I think the N7 armor is very sexy AND realistic. But we need more customization options! Until now we have no real customization. Give us more parts, add the DLC armor to this parts, so we can adjust our hero/ine like we want.

[The Demonologist]

IN all honesty, the corporation that makes the N7 Armor (Hanhe Khedar?) could save money by making it an asexual, form fitting piece. It's still work just the same as armor, and everyone would be just as alive and protected. Again, it's military gear created for military people, those of which certainly aren't looking to impress in -that- way with their gear.



Is there nothing wrong with wanting an attractive character? Sure! Is there really grounds to complain about the N7 armor 'not being sexy enough?' Not really.

[Miths]

I think the N7 armor looks damn good on FemShep as well. Some of the shoulder, legs and arm pieces - plus one or two of the chest plates - look too bulky, unfortunately limiting your options if you're going for looks (which I have in the armor department, though it meant not paying any attention to the stats), but particularly the basic default design looks very feminine, curvy and light (for full body armor) to me.

[LetheAlethe]

I wouldn't want Shepard fighting in gear like Miranda's or Samara's (let alone Jack), it does look ridiculous. Though the armour *is* somewhat bulkier than in ME1, especially if you didn't (and don't now) fight as a soldier/soldier hybrid. I wouldn't mind a sort of light armour version for my Adept Shepard.

[Larask]

SethSteiner wrote...

I think the N7 armor is very sexy AND realistic. But we need more customization options! Until now we have no real customization. Give us more parts, add the DLC armor to this parts, so we can adjust our hero/ine like we want.

I agree with you. It does look very sexy and realistic. If they can just add a few more parts it will be awesome. And in regards to Miranda or Jack especially, they are completelly unfit for combat. I really don't know how they can walk in in a fight dressed like that. Or even Thane with this chest exposed! (around his heart area I am assuming)

Samara's armor is good, except for her exposed chest, like Thane. If it wasn't for that and her high heels (how can someone run in that?), she would be well dressed for combat. Miranda also has heels... completelly unrealistic.

[massive_effect]

Larask wrote...

SethSteiner wrote...

I think the N7 armor is very sexy AND realistic. But we need more customization options! Until now we have no real customization. Give us more parts, add the DLC armor to this parts, so we can adjust our hero/ine like we want.

I agree with you. It does look very sexy and realistic. If they can just add a few more parts it will be awesome. And in regards to Miranda or Jack especially, they are completelly unfit for combat. I really don't know how they can walk in in a fight dressed like that. Or even Thane with this chest exposed! (around his heart area I am assuming)

Samara's armor is good, except for her exposed chest, like Thane. If it wasn't for that and her high heels (how can someone run in that?), she would be well dressed for combat. Miranda also has heels... completelly unrealistic.

If you want realistic, then femShep should be deleted from the ME universe. There is no way a woman could compete against men at the level of a SPECTER. If you don't believe me, take a look at sports. Women can't compete against men. This should not be controversial to state this fact.

So, it is totally unrealistic for femShep to wear the armor as it is in ME. She would likely fall down due to the weight of the armor.

[DaeJi]

massive_effect wrote...

If you want realistic, then femShep should be deleted from the ME universe. There is no way a woman could compete against men at the level of a SPECTER. If you don't believe me, take a look at sports. Women can't compete against men. This should not be controversial to state this fact.

So, it is totally unrealistic for femShep to wear the armor as it is in ME. She would likely fall down due to the weight of the armor.

If only soldiers were given genetic enhancements in the Mass Effect universe... oh, wait...

I like the armor on female Shepard. Bulky, sure, but it looks like armor and looks like it will protect her. It still shows off her form, so it's not like she looks unisex.

[Bluto Blutarskyx]

vdeity wrote...

Just take Samara and Miranda with you.
Shepard isn't a stripper.

don't tell me how to play my femshepard and i won't tell you how to play yours-

if i say she is she is, we should ahve that option.

Modifié par Bluto Blutarskyx, 10 février 2010 - 08:48 .

[Sphirax88]

The Demonologist wrote...

Not to be that guy, but it -is- military gear. Doesn't need to be sexy to work.

obviously you've never seen the women in the australian navy....

[Tankfriend]

massive_effect wrote...
There is no way a woman could compete against men at the level of a SPECTER.

I can imagine quite a lot of ways that women could compete with men in being a SPECTRE. Generalization has never been a good idea in any case, you know? It's always down to the individual comparison. Especially if you're dealing with an organization like the SPECTREs that are selecting their members for whatever specialization puts them ahead of their fellow members of a species.

So, it is totally unrealistic for femShep to wear the armor as it is in ME. She would likely fall down due to the weight of the armor.

It's not unrealistic at all. That would be like saying "Women are too weak to wear a full plate armour" which I'm pretty sure you can find women who can easily do that as long as the armour is fitted to the individual person (which it has to be anyway in case of plate armour).
But a few details:
a) The codex mentions that armour is still quite light despite its bulky look because it is made out of ballistic fabrics and light ceramic plating.
"Combat hard-suits use a dual-layer system to protect the wearer. The inner layer consists of fabric armor with kinetic padding. Areas that don't need to be flexible, such as the chest or shins, are reinforced with sheets of lightweight ablative ceramic. " http://masseffect.wi...22Shields.22.29
Apart from the fact that Shepard (as well as any other female character) was already able to wear this kind of armour in the first game (underlining point a) ), Shepard has also received cybernetic implants during the reconstruction process (and can get even more later on).
c) Some armour pieces can increase your movement speed or melee damage so we are at least partially talking about powered armour here, further reducing the constraints on the wearer. A similar thing was already true in the first game where you could get upgrades such as a powered exoskeleton system.
d) You can endure a lot more weight a lot easier if it is spread around your entire body rather than focused on a point.

Modifié par Tankfriend, 10 février 2010 - 09:09 .

[Hathur]

Mass Effect violates a fundamental design concept in armor design when it comes to females... Creases. Any crease in armor is a structural weak point, and a major no-no. Armor smiths have known this since the first bronze cuirass was made by the Roman Empire over 2,000 years ago.

The fact that the armor is molded / sculpted to follow / fit a woman's breasts is absurd - it creates a protruding crease that is immensely weaker structurally than a straight sheet of armor would provide.

This is not how women actually wear armor in reality, armor is not molded to "hold" their breasts (and yes I know it's a game.. but if they're going to follow fundamental armor design rules for males, they should for females too).

When a woman dons a steel, medeival breastplate / cuirass, it is not molded to her body. It is designed to rest atop and over her entire torso - including the breast.

Modern body armor follows the same principle.. be it soft kevlar or hard shell ceramic trauma plate armor in the military / police. The armor sits over the body.. it does not conform to the contours of the body... if it did, it would create creases... structural weak points... hence drastically lower the armor's strength.

Dragon Age actually followed the rule of armor design 100% perfectly when it came to the heavy armors... The armor completely rested over the woman's torso... rather than being molded over her feminine features... this is correct armor design... and adds a nice level of realism.

In Mass Effect 2, the Inferno armor, Cerberus Armor and to a degree the Blood Dragon armor are "sound" armor design... they do not create creases / molds over a female Shepard's breasts and instead rest over them.

The N7 variants however are all molded for a woman's upper body... this is sin from a law of physics / armor construction standpoint.

With all that said and done... in ME1 I preferred the heavy armor look on females rather than the light armor... light armor looked absurd.. like paper thin pajamas... at least the heavy armor had some bulk and weight to it.. enough to make it sort of feel like you had armor on.

Mass Effect 2's armor design over ME1 is infinitely superior... aesthetically speaking and even technically speaking (minus the N7 on females).

Modifié par Hathur, 10 février 2010 - 09:14 .

[reepneep]

massive_effect wrote...

If you want realistic, then femShep should be deleted from the ME universe. There is no way a woman could compete against men at the level of a SPECTER. If you don't believe me, take a look at sports. Women can't compete against men. This should not be controversial to state this fact.

So, it is totally unrealistic for femShep to wear the armor as it is in ME. She would likely fall down due to the weight of the armor.

The only reason this is true is a woman's lack of upper body strength. 

Three things to take into consideration:
1: Powered Armor
2: Genetic Modification
3: Cybernetics

Femshep is a genetically augmented cyborg in power armor.  Don't try to tell me she can't perform the duties of an elite infantryman.  Thats just silly.

[superya]

I think it'd be great if they just added in the light N7 armor from the intro. I can't agree with an adept or sentinal in big bulky armor. They have biotics and stuff to protect them!

...or maybe I'm just depraved and making excuses to oogle some well placed pixels... either way.. bring back light armor!

[Hathur]

superya wrote...

I think it'd be great if they just added in the light N7 armor from the intro. I can't agree with an adept or sentinal in big bulky armor. They have biotics and stuff to protect them!
...or maybe I'm just depraved and making excuses to oogle some well placed pixels... either way.. bring back light armor!

The armor in the intro is heavy Onyx armor from Mass Effect 1.

The armor in ME2 that Shepard wears after the intro is a modernized verison of that old Onyx suit... but that was definitely the heavy armor version from ME1. (I have a soldier in ME1 wearing the exact armor from the ME2 intro).

You can see it here in ME1 if you want, this is my character at endgame: www.youtube.com/watch

[BikerPuppy]

Is there a way to remove Shepard's helmet on the Cerberus or Blood Dragon armor? I hate listening to her talk through a helmet.

[AoiDreamer]

Hathur wrote...

Mass Effect violates a fundamental design concept in armor design when it comes to females... Creases. Any crease in armor is a structural weak point, and a major no-no. Armor smiths have known this since the first bronze cuirass was made by the Roman Empire over 2,000 years ago.

The fact that the armor is molded / sculpted to follow / fit a woman's breasts is absurd - it creates a protruding crease that is immensely weaker structurally than a straight sheet of armor would provide.

This is not how women actually wear armor in reality, armor is not molded to "hold" their breasts (and yes I know it's a game.. but if they're going to follow fundamental armor design rules for males, they should for females too).

When a woman dons a steel, medeival breastplate / cuirass, it is not molded to her body. It is designed to rest atop and over her entire torso - including the breast.

Modern body armor follows the same principle.. be it soft kevlar or hard shell ceramic trauma plate armor in the military / police. The armor sits over the body.. it does not conform to the contours of the body... if it did, it would create creases... structural weak points... hence drastically lower the armor's strength.

Dragon Age actually followed the rule of armor design 100% perfectly when it came to the heavy armors... The armor completely rested over the woman's torso... rather than being molded over her feminine features... this is correct armor design... and adds a nice level of realism.

In Mass Effect 2, the Inferno armor, Cerberus Armor and to a degree the Blood Dragon armor are "sound" armor design... they do not create creases / molds over a female Shepard's breasts and instead rest over them.

The N7 variants however are all molded for a woman's upper body... this is sin from a law of physics / armor construction standpoint.

With all that said and done... in ME1 I preferred the heavy armor look on females rather than the light armor... light armor looked absurd.. like paper thin pajamas... at least the heavy armor had some bulk and weight to it.. enough to make it sort of feel like you had armor on.

Mass Effect 2's armor design over ME1 is infinitely superior... aesthetically speaking and even technically speaking (minus the N7 on females).

Honestly. It really doesn't matter if the armor is weak, because well.. If you read any of the novels once the kinetic barriers are gone the weapons go through the armor like tissue paper. Chances are that's probably why the armor is skin-tight so it doesn't inhibit movement but still protects from harsh environments/can be sealed off in hostile environments. The little plating it has is probably so that Shepard can dive/roll/get bounced against walls/take concussive blasts/debris more than it is to take bullets.

So no, noone cares if it's a structural weakpoint. They might as well be wearing a wetsuit. That's why your team goes out in their casuals, and that's why the ME1 "Pajamas" were just as effective as that big bulky plate armor that should've reduced your movement speed by atleast a quarter.

[N30795]

Larask wrote...

SethSteiner wrote...

I think the N7 armor is very sexy AND realistic. But we need more customization options! Until now we have no real customization. Give us more parts, add the DLC armor to this parts, so we can adjust our hero/ine like we want.

I agree with you. It does look very sexy and realistic. If they can just add a few more parts it will be awesome. And in regards to Miranda or Jack especially, they are completelly unfit for combat. I really don't know how they can walk in in a fight dressed like that. Or even Thane with this chest exposed! (around his heart area I am assuming)

Samara's armor is good, except for her exposed chest, like Thane. If it wasn't for that and her high heels (how can someone run in that?), she would be well dressed for combat. Miranda also has heels... completelly unrealistic.

This.

[MsKlaussen]

Isn't it enough that FemShepard walks and runs like a Yeti? I mean I don't want to walk around looking like I just stepped out of a skin flick, but I don't think it's too much to ask if you're going to include a female lead at all, for her to be something more than a ported over male with a ponytail and boobs slapped on.

Modifié par MsKlaussen, 10 février 2010 - 10:06 .

[massive_effect]

reepneep wrote...

The only reason this is true is a woman's lack of upper body strength. 

Three things to take into consideration:
1: Powered Armor
2: Genetic Modification
3: Cybernetics

Femshep is a genetically augmented cyborg in power armor.  Don't try to tell me she can't perform the duties of an elite infantryman.  Thats just silly.

It's not silly. A woman can't perform the duties of an elite infantryman.

I was in the Navy, and I was trained by Navy Seals. We had an obstacle course. One woman happened to be training with our group of men. The men had to climb a 12 foot wall, and the woman had to climb the 8 foot wall.

My point is that women are vastly inferior to men in combat. It's not a bad thing. It is simple and obvious truth that no scientist can deny.

[Tankfriend]

massive_effect wrote...
I was in the Navy, and I was trained by Navy Seals. We had an obstacle course. One woman happened to be training with our group of men. The men had to climb a 12 foot wall, and the woman had to climb the 8 foot wall.

Sorry but how is that any kind of proof that the woman could not have climbed the 12 feet wall as well? Just because someone for some reasons does not have to or is not allowed to do something does not equal them being incapable of doing it in the first place.
And another point to that: People tend to "grow" with the challenges they have to solve. If you never allow someone to go beyond their limits, they will never improve beyond the level they have reached at that point.

Modifié par Tankfriend, 11 février 2010 - 01:44 .

[Adamski_707]

Since when has military issue equipment been designed for women first and foremost?

Even in the ME universe pretty most of the Mercs and soilders and C-sec officers are men.

Thats why i support the bulky look all the armour has regardless of weither its on Femshep or manshep.

[Sable Rhapsody]

*sigh*

It's impossible to please everyone.  There will be people who think the females in ME2 are disrespectfully hypersexualized, and people who think FemShep isn't girly enough and should steal Miranda's lingerie   Personally, I'm relieved FemShep doesn't fall into the "chainmail bikini increases AC" camp, and actually looks somewhat realistic for a badass space marine who makes a habit of blowing up evil bases, headbutting krogan, and pwning evil ass. Though I do agree that the inability to take off DLC armor helmets poses a problem--not in terns of the armor itself, but by the lack of facial expression for both genders of Shepard.  I have to admit I did think the paper-thin light armor of ME1 was cute, but it was silly.

Modifié par Sable Rhapsody, 11 février 2010 - 01:57 .