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[Barker673]

 I know it's been brought up before on the forums, but after doing a really thorough playthough (My first was a bit of a speedrun, I had a lot of time restrictions) I've noticed a lot of examples of dark energy coming into play.

First, with Gianna Parasini stating that a ton of her investors are apparently seeking Dark Energy information and how to utilise it properly or something. 

Secondly, with the Sun on the Haestrom/Recruiting Tali mission aging to fast because of suspected Dark Energy inside it. I think there were other cases, but these are the only ones I can think of right now.

Couples with the speculation flying around that the Reapers come to our galaxy every 50,000 years in order to purge the galaxy of sapient life to SAVE the Universe from destroying itself, because the manipulation of Dark Energy/Mass Effect fields/Biotics is actually destroying the universe. If that is the big plot twist revealed in ME3, I am going to rage.

Not only did forumites come up with (They also came up with the Illusive Man being Harbinger, for example) but it's such a blatant cheesy story element that I'm really hoping BioWare stays away from this. Thoughts?

[Amethyst Deceiver]

i think they are setting up dark energy to act as a deus ex machina for ME3

[Creston918]

Bioware's writers are good enough that their "big bad guys" aren't really good guys in disguise, but at the same time they still say stuff like "we're the harbingers of your destruction, we will eradicate all life in the universe," etc. If they were really here to help, why would they ever leave? Why not just pop up next to the citadel and broadcast "Hey, quit messing around with our universe!"



People who came up with that idea are just nuts. There is nothing in the story that fits with that idea.



That said, yeah, the Dark Energy hints were perhaps a tad overdone, but it could just be a red herring to throw us off. All we know for sure is that Shepard will need SOMETHING Deus Ex Machina-like in order to stop/defeat/banish the Reapers, since they're way too powerful to confront in any fashion.



I say the Quarians and the Geth will get together to build a weapon out of Dark Energy that detonates mass effect fields. Boom go the Reapers.

[SnakeSNMF]

Dark energy is just an thing which is all around space where mass does not exist.

I don't think it would or could be used for any main-stream weapons or even any potent -- to do anything, besides just being crap that just is there for no reason but being lazy and staying where it is.

[Schneidend]

SnakeSNMF wrote...

Dark energy is just an thing which is all around space where mass does not exist.
I don't think it would or could be used for any main-stream weapons or even any potent -- to do anything, besides just being crap that just is there for no reason but being lazy and staying where it is.

Well, dark energy has something to do with biotics, but I forget exactly what that is.

Anyway, as others have said, they're setting things up for us to kill reapers by blowing up stars. Boosh.

[Cutlass Jack]

The Dark Energy stuff is a setup for ME3 so it doesn't sound like they're pulling it out of their hindquarters. Its going to be a very important part of that game.

[Internet Kraken]

Perhaps all this talk of dark energy is just a red herring on a galactic-scale.

[Keltoris]

Amethyst Deceiver wrote...

i think they are setting up dark energy to act as a deus ex machina for ME3

That or a Deus Ex Ironica.

[IntrepidProdigy]

Glad to see that I wasn't the only one to catch on to this. The dark energy thing was continuously mentioned ever since you first went to freedom's progress when you first speak to veetor (sp?).

[LtRadczek]

Isn't dark energy what is used for biotic powers and the mass relays? If so, this shouldn't be anything new.

[Keltoris]

LtRadczek wrote...

Isn't dark energy what is used for biotic powers and the mass relays? If so, this shouldn't be anything new.

Yes, apparently it can also accelerate suns.

[Agamo45]

Obviously the whole Haestrom sun business will have a big impact in ME3, it may even hint at what Shepard will use to stop the Reapers.

[Keltoris]

http://en.wikipedia...._series#Weapons



See: Sunbeam.



Calling it.



(Nutcrackers are awkward to use on ships.)

[Cutlass Jack]

Agamo45 wrote...

Obviously the whole Haestrom sun business will have a big impact in ME3, it may even hint at what Shepard will use to stop the Reapers.

I think its the opposite. The Haestrom sun business was likely a field test for something by the Reapers. It wasn't accidental all those Heretic Geth were there. I think Shepard will have to stop whatever that plan is.

[Barker673]

Mmm, I'm really hoping Shepard doesn't suddenly come up with a black hole gun on a massive scale, and using dark energy technology sucks them all into a black hole.



Which, then I smell a million sequels even more cliche of the machine devils breaking free of their no dimension black hole prison. Lame.



I'm really hoping the writers pull out something good.

[Mox Ruuga]

Amethyst Deceiver wrote...

i think they are setting up dark energy to act as a deus ex machina for ME3

I think you might be right, though plot device would be a better term. Deus ex machina would fit if it was an asspull at the last moment. As it stands, they already introduced it in ME2.

I think the theme of making great sacrifices for the good of the many will be used again. Dark energy can kill entire stars? Can it cause them to turn into super novas, if exploited/applied intentionally? Perhaps we need to destroy entire solar systems to kill the Reapers? Lure them to attack predetermined places, and then wipe them out.

What is Sol is one of those systems? I can see some epic Paragon / Renegade choices in the making, there...

[Lordambitious]

Perhaps the reapers are intending to prevent the unrestricted use of Dark Energy Manipulations via Eezo to prevent the acceleration of the expansion of the universe. Once the universe reaches a certain point in its expansion, gravity, the weak and strong nuclear forces will no longer be able to hold things together, first galaxies will fling apart, then star clusters and nebula, then individual systems, stars will prematurely super nova, as gravity will no longer be able to hold them together, then planets will be ripped apart, then molecules and atoms will fly apart. Universal entropy will reach a maximum, and all motion will cease as the very fabric of space will be shredded. maybe the reapers found a way to counter cosmological expansion or reverse universal entropy, and they need to prevent the over-use of mass relays and eezo, so once a galactic civilization reaches it's apex, the destroy it, "ascend" its strongest member species to reaper status, and wait for the next civilization to rebuild, allowing for a galactic "cool down"

Consider this: The Mu Relay was the only relay to link to Ilos, serving as a bottleneck into that and other connected systems, meaning it was probably a highly used relay, and we know the star of the system it was in went Nova.

Mass Relays use mass effect fields to create virtually "mass free" corridors in space that span light years, and we know from the codex that anything in a mass effect field will have its mass either increased or decreased.

Stars are held together by gravity, which is determined by the total amount of matter/energy in a given volume of spacetime. if the star loses too much mass (as can be exampled by a star being eaten by a black hole companion) its gravity will no longer be able to counter the nuclear reactions inside it and it explodes.

Both the Mu and relay and the Haestrom Relay orbit(ed) stars.

If two relays activate and a star happens to be in the "mass free" corridor, its mass will be altered slightly, if temporarily. Perhaps enough abuse is able to destabilise star systems and cause stars to prematurely Nova, and the reapers are simply trying to prolong their own survival by guiding subsequent species down known technological paths and thus control the actual stellar evolution of the Milky Way.

Modifié par Lordambitious, 16 février 2010 - 09:18 .

[PingoBlack]

The reapers are in deep trouble after ME2.

Their 30 million year plan was first messed up by the Ilos group, the protheans. When they tried to fix that Shepard runs in and makes a great big mess of it, killing Nazara in the process.

Inertial travel would take too long for the reapers, without Citadel to make it instant they could take a very long time to reach the Milky Way, judging from the video at the end of the game they are seriously far away from it.

It's only logical they would be working on some plan again, even more desperate one.

Weather they can manipulate a sun to produce a quasi-mass-relay or destabilize one within centuries instead of millenia ... both could be used, either as transport or a weapon.

But I don't buy the theory the reapers are protecting the galaxy. They have shown little other than treating the whole thing as a shopping mall.

Modifié par PingoBlack, 16 février 2010 - 09:30 .

[stillnotking]

Foreshadowing. Every time the game mentions dark energy, it should go "dun dun DUN!"

[KumoriOokami]

stillnotking wrote...

Foreshadowing. Every time the game mentions dark energy, it should go "dun dun DUN!"

Hahaha... complete with insert prothean dramatic prarie dog dream sequence

[Tisiphne]

The thing that does not make sense to me about this chain of thought is that the Dark Energy is making the sun at Horizon go nova. So, if that were happening everywhere, it would mean the Galaxy is imploding on itself. However, this Reaper cycle happens ever 50,000 years. Not only did life exist 50,000 years ago in our own solar system, but every Mass Relay and the Citadel is surviving every time this occurs. So I just don't see a mass purge. The point about the use of the mass effect technology being harmful would be cliche, but plausible, I suppose. Consider how much that would suck, though - without the relays, all the systems would be cut off from one another forever.

Edit: I bet the Bioware team reads these forums and giggles.

Modifié par Tisiphne, 16 février 2010 - 09:59 .

[Talogrungi]

Creston918 wrote...

That said, yeah, the Dark Energy hints were perhaps a tad overdone, but it could just be a red herring to throw us off. All we know for sure is that Shepard will need SOMETHING Deus Ex Machina-like in order to stop/defeat/banish the Reapers, since they're way too powerful to confront in any fashion.

Are we sure about this bit?

I mean, Sovereign was badass, and a lot of people are assuming that each member of the reaper fleet will be equally as badass, but is that supported by the evidence?

The Reapers conquer by stealth; they sieze control of the Citadel and lock down the Mass Relay system, allowing them to completely prevent any form of organised galactic defense .. they are then able to systematically clear out each solar system while meeting minimal resistance.

That kinda suggests that they don't want to risk an all-out battle against the combined forces of an allied galaxy, and the logical conclusion is that this is because it's a fight that they might not win.

Given the nature of the ME game mechanics, I don't think that the ending will be simply decided with an epic space battle, the final fight will almost certainly be "Shepard + 2 saves the day! With Assault Rifles!" and I'm pretty sure that Dark Energy will play a part.

Perhaps ME3 will be about building some giant dark energy doomsday device and luring the Reaper fleet within the blast radius, or something.

[flem1]

Suggested in other forums: Reapers zap Haestrom sun to create black hole for wormhole transport into galaxy?

[Giantevilhead]

Most of the mass/energy in the universe is dark energy, it's what's causing the universe to expand, so it might not be as big of a deal as we think unless they really stretch the "science."

Modifié par Giantevilhead, 16 février 2010 - 09:58 .

[Barker673]

Creston918 wrote...

I mean, Sovereign was badass, and a lot of people are assuming that each member of the reaper fleet will be equally as badass, but is that supported by the evidence?

The Reapers conquer by stealth; they sieze control of the Citadel and lock down the Mass Relay system, allowing them to completely prevent any form of organised galactic defense .. they are then able to systematically clear out each solar system while meeting minimal resistance.

That kinda suggests that they don't want to risk an all-out battle against the combined forces of an allied galaxy, and the logical conclusion is that this is because it's a fight that they might not win.

Given the nature of the ME game mechanics, I don't think that the ending will be simply decided with an epic space battle, the final fight will almost certainly be "Shepard + 2 saves the day! With Assault Rifles!" and I'm pretty sure that Dark Energy will play a part.

Perhaps ME3 will be about building some giant dark energy doomsday device and luring the Reaper fleet within the blast radius, or something.

I agree. Because we are likely going to only be controlling Shepard and making choices (which fleet to send in: Rachni, Alliance, Geth etc.) to attack one certain Reaper, they will serve as a distraction while Shepard and his team sets up a dark energy doomsday device and set it off. 

Except ofcourse something goes wrong and someone has to stay behind to manually detonate it, and the only way to do that is physically set it on a manual collusion course for Harbinger and Shepard has to decide whether one of his crew or himself does it. I can see it now 

Modifié par Barker673, 16 février 2010 - 10:05 .