just because he has shadow in his name doesn't mean he's involved with dark energy, especially since we know that Haestrom's Sun was fine 300 years ago and has since been entirely in Geth Space.
What's with all the Dark Energy business?
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#77
Posté 01 mars 2010 - 09:07
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oh. i guess i meant thisAbirn wrote...
Amethyst Deceiver wrote...
i think they are setting up dark energy to act as a deus ex machina for ME3
Is it still a deus ex machina if they introduce it before the final part of the trilogy?
regardless, the cop-out/cliche factor is about the same.
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Posté 01 mars 2010 - 10:48
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Given that the Mass Effect universe is going to continue, I believe it's fair to assume that somewhere out there is a threat greater than the Reapers. The Reapers could be preparing for just such a threat. What if this whole stars going nova is about the introduction of this greater threat? Remember the planet at the very end of Halo 3? Think the Destiny Ascension making a victory lap after the Reaper defeat. Pan out to see the DA and stars, many and bright... slowly grow darker as something dark is filling the scene. All of a sudden a massive ship powers on and single handedly takes out the DA.
In all likelihood, the theory I like best is that Reapers are simple collecting eezo to prepare a new Reaper - in this case the growing human-based Reaper. Since they weren't planning our survival this late in the cycle (they wanted to come in 2 years ago), we've discovered how the Reapers are able to make stars go supernova, and utilize it in a weapon. Yes KalReager (I know the spelling is wrong) says it is too inefficient to be a weapon... but that doesn't mean we couldn't figure out a more efficient means of using it as a weapon. The Reapers expect civilizations to grow along known technology lines. By discovering dark energy based weapons, we would be developing beyond what the Reapers ever expected!
In all likelihood, the theory I like best is that Reapers are simple collecting eezo to prepare a new Reaper - in this case the growing human-based Reaper. Since they weren't planning our survival this late in the cycle (they wanted to come in 2 years ago), we've discovered how the Reapers are able to make stars go supernova, and utilize it in a weapon. Yes KalReager (I know the spelling is wrong) says it is too inefficient to be a weapon... but that doesn't mean we couldn't figure out a more efficient means of using it as a weapon. The Reapers expect civilizations to grow along known technology lines. By discovering dark energy based weapons, we would be developing beyond what the Reapers ever expected!
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Posté 05 mars 2010 - 07:46
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If the cycle of destruction has been occuring for billions of years then it is highly unlikely that extra galactic life is out there and trying to kill us. Life in all likelihood exists in other galaxies, but for life to have originated billions of years before the reapers, evolve to the point to where it could surpass them and then come here and cause the reapers to go all rapey-genocidey, that means that that life would have had to evolve back when most stars in existence were O and B class (hot and blue/white, short lived), and those stars tend to not be conducive to the evolution of sapient life. In all Likelihood the Reapers are the end result of the whatever species rose to galactic dominance first, and then engineered itself into an evolutionary singularity (its own reaper form) and judging from the biology and form of the Collectors and Keepers, I would say that they were a hive mind insect-like race, in that once the mind realized that it had achieved its evolutionary potential, it engineered an ultimate form for itself, and coalesced its "individual" members of the species (drones workers, etc) into a Reaper, like what the collectors were doing to the human colonists.
Another possibility is that the species evolved along similar lines as contemporary sapient races (each person an individual, no hive mind), and through the use of nanotech and direct mind transfer (as exemplified by the dragons teeth and the possession of collectors and saren by their Reaper "handlers") developed into a hive mind or accidentally reaper-ised itself/ themselves
Another possibility is that the species evolved along similar lines as contemporary sapient races (each person an individual, no hive mind), and through the use of nanotech and direct mind transfer (as exemplified by the dragons teeth and the possession of collectors and saren by their Reaper "handlers") developed into a hive mind or accidentally reaper-ised itself/ themselves
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Posté 05 mars 2010 - 02:51
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My take....
Dark Energy mentioned by Veetor indicates that it is at the core of Collector technology. Collectors are Protheans modified by Reaper technology.
If we find out how Dark Energy works and can manipulate it, then we can muck about with the core of Reaper technology. Reapers are master at mass effect technology. If that's based on the manipulation of Dark Energy, then they would have good cause to invade and overthrow advanced civilizations lest they likewise discover the secret.
Dark Energy mentioned by Veetor indicates that it is at the core of Collector technology. Collectors are Protheans modified by Reaper technology.
If we find out how Dark Energy works and can manipulate it, then we can muck about with the core of Reaper technology. Reapers are master at mass effect technology. If that's based on the manipulation of Dark Energy, then they would have good cause to invade and overthrow advanced civilizations lest they likewise discover the secret.
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Posté 05 mars 2010 - 03:43
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Dark Energy is a complete unknown, it's a hypothetical source of energy to explain the fact that our universe's expansion is not slowing and is in fact accelerating. Physicists cannot explain Dark Energy, nor can it be measured or detected, again, it is merely a theoretical source of fuel for our universe's ruinous acceleration.
In short, as far as Mass Effect goes: Dark Energy is a Plot Device.
In short, as far as Mass Effect goes: Dark Energy is a Plot Device.
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Posté 05 mars 2010 - 03:43
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Miqti wrote...
Given that the Mass Effect universe is going to continue, I believe it's fair to assume that somewhere out there is a threat greater than the Reapers.
No, this is a lazy writer's attitude. You don't have to have a follow up enemy to be bigger or more threatening. That means NOTHING.
An old writing addage goes, "It doesn't matter if the Titanic is sinking, a skyscraper is falling or the earth is exploding, unless you care about the characters it is happening to."
In other words, if an adventure is complex and well written, saving a family is as good as saving the galaxy. Bigger does not mean better.
Yes, the Mass Effect trilogy is leading up to a battle to save the galaxy and all sentient races... that does NOT mean that a follow up series is obliged, needs to, or even SHOULD try to top it on that scale. The biggest mistake they could make would be to do just that.
As for Dark Energy, obviously it will be a major factor in ME3. My guess is it is something the Reapers will use dramatically at the beginning (a dramatic destruction of a whole solar system?) something that will be the Reaper's ace in the hole, but will end up being turned on them somehow.
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Posté 05 mars 2010 - 04:41
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personaly i dont want to defeat the reapers "once and for all" by distroying them
i like the idea that they are powerfull and egmatic (we still dont know their true motives i dont by the "one of us routine)
id much prefer a fix aka massive damage to the reaper fleet by means of a stargate style bluff
forcing the reapers the reapers back to darkspace and sealing them there
basicaly leaving the reapers to lick their wounds and plot their revenge which would likely take them 100, 000 of years to accomplice and of course this means: we finish what the protheons started sealing the reapers in dark space this way we do 2 things
1) we do not make the reapers out to be geth scary at first but then it turns out we can kick their rear end with ease if we make it a bindside bluff where we loose alot ie entire fleet's just to drive them back then it keeps up the whole "machine devils" idea but still allowing us to win
2) it keeps mass effect out of the "bigger bad" route this way the series evovles and expands and then if you needs something "Bigger & Badder" you throw in a reaper nothing worse then going we beat satan! YAY oh knows heres satan 2.0!
i like the idea that they are powerfull and egmatic (we still dont know their true motives i dont by the "one of us routine)
id much prefer a fix aka massive damage to the reaper fleet by means of a stargate style bluff
forcing the reapers the reapers back to darkspace and sealing them there
basicaly leaving the reapers to lick their wounds and plot their revenge which would likely take them 100, 000 of years to accomplice and of course this means: we finish what the protheons started sealing the reapers in dark space this way we do 2 things
1) we do not make the reapers out to be geth scary at first but then it turns out we can kick their rear end with ease if we make it a bindside bluff where we loose alot ie entire fleet's just to drive them back then it keeps up the whole "machine devils" idea but still allowing us to win
2) it keeps mass effect out of the "bigger bad" route this way the series evovles and expands and then if you needs something "Bigger & Badder" you throw in a reaper nothing worse then going we beat satan! YAY oh knows heres satan 2.0!
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Posté 05 mars 2010 - 04:58
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The codex entry for the reapers if I remember correctly involved certain races tales about the reapers as myths. Most of the descriptions were fairly accurate but there was one that described them as devourers of suns if im remembering it right, that could be a link to Haestrom.
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Posté 25 septembre 2010 - 09:41
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Hey! I was watching Shepard's vision from ME1. At the beginning you can see protheans being liquefied. This is the least interesting part. BUT! at the end you can actually see stars going supernova. This further proves that this whole dark energy business has something to do with the Reapers and I guess that if ME2 explored what the first part of this vision is really about, ME3 is going to tell us what's the second part about.
And here's the link
And here's the link
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Posté 26 septembre 2010 - 05:49
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Did you really have to necropost that much? I mean jeez this is 7 month's since the last post, that's pretty much late Feb.........
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Posté 26 septembre 2010 - 05:56
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I reckon the Reapers introduce Dark Energy in to a sun in order to convert it in to a powerful Mass Effect core that would have been used to power the new Reaper.
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Posté 26 septembre 2010 - 07:35
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Barker673 wrote...
Mmm, I'm really hoping Shepard doesn't suddenly come up with a black hole gun on a massive scale, and using dark energy technology sucks them all into a black hole.
Which, then I smell a million sequels even more cliche of the machine devils breaking free of their no dimension black hole prison. Lame.
I'm really hoping the writers pull out something good.
That would be the game MOO2.
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Posté 26 septembre 2010 - 09:39
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Can't you just new thread for this.
Also Gianna Parasini also says something about Dark Energy.
Also Gianna Parasini also says something about Dark Energy.
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Posté 26 septembre 2010 - 11:45
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Here's a crappy little theory I just came up with: it's to create resources.
Mass Effect Wiki says this:
The Reapers are blowing up suns to create Element Zero deposits that their next victims can mine once the current extinction event finishes. And then there's this:
By controlling how the radiation spreads through the relay network, the Reapers in turn control on which worlds Element Zero forms, preferably where developing species can reach it. Or something like that. I mean, they probably take all eezo with them that's already in use and the next cycle's victims will need more.
Mass Effect Wiki says this:
Eezo is generated when solid matter, such as a planet, is affected by the energy of a star going supernova. The material is common in the asteroid debris that orbits neutron stars and pulsars.
The Reapers are blowing up suns to create Element Zero deposits that their next victims can mine once the current extinction event finishes. And then there's this:
03/18/2010 - TR-15 Letus Becomes Closest Probe to a Neutron Star
“Astronomers are excited tonight as the probe TR-15 Letus comes the closest any probe has ever come to a neutron star. The star in question is in a globular cluster approximately 18,000 light-years from Earth. Though it contains slightly more than two times the mass of Earth's sun, its radius is a tiny 15.8 kilometers, spinning at approximately 24% of the speed of light. The probe was sent to the star via the Kappa Iota Relay, a charted but rarely-used relay predating the Rachni War. The relay was abandoned due to the highly lethal radiation found on the other side, but the small doses that pass through the relay are manageable for a shielded probe. Control of the radiation emission and reception of Letus's signal is made possible by the infamous Dark Switches, a set of previously unknown control functions the Protheans installed on mass effect relays.”
By controlling how the radiation spreads through the relay network, the Reapers in turn control on which worlds Element Zero forms, preferably where developing species can reach it. Or something like that. I mean, they probably take all eezo with them that's already in use and the next cycle's victims will need more.
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Posté 26 septembre 2010 - 01:54
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Yeah, exactly my thought. I also came up with some theory lately that the Reapers are indeed making some kind of research ("Your world will be our laboratories"; anyway, it has been discussed in other topics). By blowing up stars and doing things like that they are preparing their lab for another experiment. But what ME3 really has to reveal is the purpose of their research.
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Posté 26 septembre 2010 - 02:18
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Well didn't Cerberus discover a species that fired a shot at the disabled reaper when it was time to acquire the IFF?
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Posté 27 mars 2012 - 08:46
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In light of recent ME3 release/ it's controversial conclusion, I'd really like to see what the OP has to say now. Especially considering this: http://www.oxm.co.uk...before-release/
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Posté 29 avril 2012 - 12:00
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Only just heard about this idea, so I'm going to post here. Only been a month since the last person did, so it doesn't really count as necromancy.
Don't know if it's been pointed out but the way people are talking implies not, but Dark Energy IS Mass Effect and also (irl) goes by the name of Vacuum Energy (and is given in the Einstein Equation as capital lambda). The series revolves (and is named after a fictional name for) Dark Energy, so it makes sense for there to be references to it throughout.
Dark Energy is the unknown 70% of what the Universe is made of and is accelerating the expansion of the universe. Because this means that the amount of vacuum is increasing, as is the vacuum energy, so the ideas given by the DE ending make sense from a real life not necessarily bs science point of view.
I'm not entirely sure why humanity's genetic diversity would make it able to combat this expansion, and tbh the "Heath Death" implied by runaway Dark Energy plus a lot of time is *well* out of the timeframe of the existence of the earth, let alone 50 000 years.
All in all though I think what I've heard of this has some nice ideas. Personally I did like the endings the game shipped with, though nothing is infallible and can always be done better.
Don't know if it's been pointed out but the way people are talking implies not, but Dark Energy IS Mass Effect and also (irl) goes by the name of Vacuum Energy (and is given in the Einstein Equation as capital lambda). The series revolves (and is named after a fictional name for) Dark Energy, so it makes sense for there to be references to it throughout.
Dark Energy is the unknown 70% of what the Universe is made of and is accelerating the expansion of the universe. Because this means that the amount of vacuum is increasing, as is the vacuum energy, so the ideas given by the DE ending make sense from a real life not necessarily bs science point of view.
I'm not entirely sure why humanity's genetic diversity would make it able to combat this expansion, and tbh the "Heath Death" implied by runaway Dark Energy plus a lot of time is *well* out of the timeframe of the existence of the earth, let alone 50 000 years.
All in all though I think what I've heard of this has some nice ideas. Personally I did like the endings the game shipped with, though nothing is infallible and can always be done better.
