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[Varenus Luckmann]

NvVanity wrote...

Guys drop it. They aren't changing it they have more important things to do then care about you whining about armors you got free.

Beggars don't get to be choosy.

Alright, lets get this goddamn clear, because this keeps popping up like some slap-on insult or hand-waving of the issues to whisk them away like they don't exist to those of us that really want to see the game improve(d): I never begged.

I just find it ridiculous that I keep being given free stuff that are sub-par. It's like when I really, really wanted the Lion King movie when I was a kid, and for some god-awful reason, my father eventually brings home Simba: King of Lions.

I mean, I got it for free, right, so I can't complain. But I can at least point out, before shelving the movie forever, that it's not the right movie. I'll still watch it. Maybe. I don't think I did. But that's beside the point. That movie is still here somewhere in all my rubbish, but I never begged for that movie, and I never had a use for it. What I wanted was the Lion King. Simba: King of Lions doesn't fit into my Disney collection.

What I want is thusly: Fully customizable armors. Free or not, the mod-like full-cast armors doesn't fit into my Mass Effect 2 experience. They will go unused. Stop producing crap. Give us good stuff, or don't give us anything at all.

If my choices are:

1) Give me free, crap stuff.
2) Give me free, good stuff.
3) Give me no stuff.

I'd take that in order of 2, 3, 1. Because 1 serves no real purpose.

Also, I'd want a helmet toggle, but that is essentially a seperate request unrelated to the armor issues.

[Ilkholdens]

Personally, I'm ok with not being able to manually toggle the helmet on the (DLC) armors, but I would have prefereed if Bioware had Shepard remove/toggle off the helmet during certain cutscenes. It simply looks silly when he's at the bar and drinks through the helmet. Same for a certain reunion kiss scene. It's an immersion breaker that could have been avoided IMHO.

Modifié par Ilkholdens, 10 février 2010 - 11:11 .

[Wintermist]

Varenus Luckmann wrote...

NvVanity wrote...

Guys drop it. They aren't changing it they have more important things to do then care about you whining about armors you got free.

Beggars don't get to be choosy.

Alright, lets get this goddamn clear, because this keeps popping up like some slap-on insult or hand-waving of the issues to whisk them away like they don't exist to those of us that really want to see the game improve(d): I never begged.

I just find it ridiculous that I keep being given free stuff that are sub-par. It's like when I really, really wanted the Lion King movie when I was a kid, and for some god-awful reason, my father eventually brings home Simba: King of Lions.

I mean, I got it for free, right, so I can't complain. But I can at least point out, before shelving the movie forever, that it's not the right movie. I'll still watch it. Maybe. I don't think I did. But that's beside the point. That movie is still here somewhere in all my rubbish, but I never begged for that movie, and I never had a use for it. What I wanted was the Lion King. Simba: King of Lions doesn't fit into my Disney collection.

What I want is thusly: Fully customizable armors. Free or not, the mod-like full-cast armors doesn't fit into my Mass Effect 2 experience. They will go unused. Stop producing crap. Give us good stuff, or don't give us anything at all.

If my choices are:

1) Give me free, crap stuff.
2) Give me free, good stuff.
3) Give me no stuff.

I'd take that in order of 2, 3, 1. Because 1 serves no real purpose.

Also, I'd want a helmet toggle, but that is essentially a seperate request unrelated to the armor issues.

Telling off 101 - Chapter 2, How to do it correctly.

[Varenus Luckmann]

LexXxich wrote...

Even if other stuff might seem more important to some of you, helmet issue affect *everyone* regardless of what they do and how they play the game. And it has a very easy solution: adding armour change screen to every "mission start" menu. We already have weapon lockers everywhere having weapons only Normandy has.

This.

It'd solve a wealth of issues and is at the very least a temporary fix. It'd allow me to do "diplomatic missions" when walking around on stations and the like with an armor without a helmet (or with an optional helmet), and then switch to a suitable armor when going on pure-combat missions, with a helmet.

Hell, it'd be nice to just switch between the N7 helmets between missions and nothing else.

It wouldn't solve the issues by a long shot. But it'd still be a nice addition.

[BatarianBob]

Jacob's "helmet" is a bigger issue than Shepard's helmet.



A non-rebreather? Seriously? A non-rebreather against the vacuum of space?



There needs to be a restraining order against whoever thought of that. 50 feet away from anything sci-fi at all times.

[1Parmenides]

I would really like a helmet toggle, but if it's more work than it's worth... I'd rather the developers spend their time making a nice long expansion/DLC with a big plot.

[Wynne]

Not seeing my character's face still kills my immersion. I can't do it. It makes all the dialogue boring. Why did I bother making that face if I'm not going to be able to see it?

[grayfox4000]

You can lock threads all day. We can just keep on making new topics about the issue until its fixed. Maybe fixing the issue will actually make it go away then not doing anything about it at all.

[Lightice_av]

It's certainly quite stupid. And whoever thought that a helmet that hides the face completely should increase your charisma in conversations needs to be thrown out of dev team.



I spent the whole game with that eye-display on me. I really wished I could just turn the helmet on and off, like I did in the first game. Why remove a simple aspect of the game that demands next to nothing from the engine, that was already done to boot?

[Bryy_Miller]

Dr. Peter Venkman wrote...

Wintermist wrote...

We can now officially drop it.

No. We can officially demand that they add it until they 'get it'.

"Get it"? Really? You do realize that they create the game, right?

[Dr. Peter Venkman]

Bryy_Miller wrote...

Dr. Peter Venkman wrote...

Wintermist wrote...

We can now officially drop it.

No. We can officially demand that they add it until they 'get it'.

"Get it"? Really? You do realize that they create the game, right?

No ****?

[Speakeasy13]

I can understand both sides' argument - some want helmet toggle, some don't. It's okay. We all know what opinions are like. If the devs have their opinion about the issue I can respect that. Same way they must respect ours.



What I don't understand is, even if you don't want helmet toggle, why would you want to start other people who want it from getting it? All you have to do is NOT use it when you get the option. Why do you feel the urge to take that option away from others?



Also, I think an official response from a dev would be the ONLY PROPER CLOSURE to the discussion. It's okay if you're not gonna give it to us, but they could at least have the courtesy to tell us to our faces. It's the least bit of PR they could do.



So so long as we don't get an official response, I would regard the issue as unsolved and continue to advocate for it. We're not beggars. We paid for this game, made and kept Bioware what it is and will likely to continue support them. We're not trying to tell them how to make the game here, we just want to understand why they made the game it is. We deserve it no?

[Frotality]

if there intentions are to ignore a vast majority of the fanbase wanting a very simple addition, they need to review their development process. its what they intended in ME2, very wrongly as has been proven, it will be changed in ME3 i would very much hope. if they dont want to change it for ME2, fine, just work on it in ME3.

[apk117]

Helmets wouldn't be such a big problem if they didn't modulate your voice to sound f***king retarded; also, buying a drink and drinking it through your full face helmet is absolutely hilariously stupid. Oh, and the helmets on many of the DLC armors look ridiculous.

[apk117]

Oh, and BioWare ignoring things like this is nothing new. I remember a huge forum petition to add the ability for your party in Dragon Age to walk normally instead of run, stop, run, stop. A BioWare lead responded in a snarky manner that basically said, "this is our game, and you've obviously already bought it, so f*** off."

Modifié par apk117, 13 février 2010 - 05:42 .

[newcomplex]

Nothing gets fixed if you complain. Complain=Good.

apk117 wrote...

Oh, and BioWare ignoring things like this
is nothing new. I remember a huge forum petition to add the ability for
your party in Dragon Age to walk normally instead of run, stop, run,
stop. A BioWare lead responded in a snarky manner that basically said,
"this is our game, and you've obviously already bought it, so f***
off."

This is the reason why most game companies actually have CM's instead of getting their lead gameplay designer and randoms in QA to interact directly with posters.    lul.     oh bioware....

Bioware, its a design oversight when you drink beer through a helmet.     A design oversight your too lazy to fix (or in management terms, have other priorities), despite obvious demand from your fanbase.    It isn't a design "choice".    Of course, you're already aware of that aren't you.   

Modifié par newcomplex, 13 février 2010 - 05:48 .

[Vatrian]

They could at least have made it toggle when you enter conversation, this would fix the voice modulation and the drinking problems. The sentinel power armor disappears in conversations and cutscenes, don't see why a helmet would be that much harder.

[EDarkness]

I'm gonna chime in with you guys about the helmet issue. Why have facial expressions if you want them covered up with a helmet? Doesn't make any sense. I bought the collector's edition and the fact that I couldn't toggle the helmet off meant that I didn't use ANY of the armors I got. What was the point of not having that option? The whole issue is just crazy.



On top of that we can't customize our group's armor? I really don't understand what you guys were thinking with some of these changes.

[Vatrian]

The group armor is customizable, you get 2 outfits for each, the larger issue is with not being able to respec your squad.

[ikkedenechte]

NvVanity wrote...

Guys drop it. They aren't changing it they have more important things to do then care about you whining about armors you got free.

Beggars don't get to be choosy.

check the facts before calling us beggars.
We did pay extra for the collectors edition.

If you see that even a low budget indy game like Mount & Blade manages to take off full helmets in conversations it becomes hard not to feel ripped off.
 
and while it'sa minor annoyance being  recognised while wearing a helmet and drinking trough a helmet it is far worse you can't  see facial expressions and it becomes painfully ridiculous kissing Liara.
After all these are exactly the things that make ME a great game.

So yes I'll buy ME 3 but I won't give a penny anymore for collectors or other editions.(and I'll probably wait for the price to go down too)

[Looper128]

The helmet thing is a big issue and I dont think it should be dropped until bioware stats clearly: Ok we hear ya and we will fix the helmets or we wont fix the helmets for me2 but we promise we will fix the issue for me3. My 2 cents.

[Sailears]

It is a nuisance, I do agree.

I just don't use the helmets, and only use a visor on the odd occasion. Shame really, but I like to see Shepard's face.

[st0icr4ven]

You're upset about the helmet not being toggled to show as off. . . . .from what I can see the helmets are worn differently in ME2 then they are in ME1. In ME1 they looked as if they were actually part OF the armor where as in ME2 they are entirely seperate from the armor. Would it be nice if they took them off during cut scenes, yes no doubt, but some of you are really throwing a fit about this. . . .get real.

[Tasker]

Varenus Luckmann wrote...

NvVanity wrote...

Guys drop it. They aren't changing it they have more important things to do then care about you whining about armors you got free.

Beggars don't get to be choosy.

Alright, lets get this goddamn clear, because this keeps popping up like some slap-on insult or hand-waving of the issues to whisk them away like they don't exist to those of us that really want to see the game improve(d): I never begged.

I just find it ridiculous that I keep being given free stuff that are sub-par. It's like when I really, really wanted the Lion King movie when I was a kid, and for some god-awful reason, my father eventually brings home Simba: King of Lions.

I mean, I got it for free, right, so I can't complain. But I can at least point out, before shelving the movie forever, that it's not the right movie. I'll still watch it. Maybe. I don't think I did. But that's beside the point. That movie is still here somewhere in all my rubbish, but I never begged for that movie, and I never had a use for it. What I wanted was the Lion King. Simba: King of Lions doesn't fit into my Disney collection.

What I want is thusly: Fully customizable armors. Free or not, the mod-like full-cast armors doesn't fit into my Mass Effect 2 experience. They will go unused. Stop producing crap. Give us good stuff, or don't give us anything at all.

If my choices are:

1) Give me free, crap stuff.
2) Give me free, good stuff.
3) Give me no stuff.

I'd take that in order of 2, 3, 1. Because 1 serves no real purpose.

Also, I'd want a helmet toggle, but that is essentially a seperate request unrelated to the armor issues.

Yep, that pretty much sums it up, if they're going to create stuff that i'm never going to use due to a stupid design decision, then i'd rather they not bother and spend that time and effort in other areas.

[n4d4n]

They've responded to the issue, okay...well I don't think people are satisfied. This is not like asking for something that isn't in the game or that doesn't make sense. You can remove the helmet from the N7 armor! How is it that you can do that with the N7 but not with the other DLC armors?!? That doesn't make any sense, there should be consistency in design, this is more like they didn't have the time or some other reason for not implementing what is already possible with the N7 armor at the armor station.

Modifié par n4d4n, 15 février 2010 - 08:24 .