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Fkn pikey

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Being a gypsy sounds like it's pretty cool bro

[Caz Neerg]

Why do people have so much trouble admitting that stereotypes exist for a reason? They aren't meant to be declarative statements about what is true about every member of a given group. Most of them come about because of statistically significant numbers of the group fitting them, not because somebody just decided he wanted to be a jerk and start making stuff up. Just because a judgment is based on a stereotype doesn't mean it is automatically incorrect.

[Dethateer]

Living in luxury without running water or sewage system while breaking most laws of the country that tries to protect your rights as a citizen while you are only an actual citizen of that country when it suits you? Yeah, sounds awesome. (for those with borked sarcasm meters, that last part was sarcasm)

[Darkmoone1]

Krogans are dwarfs.

Modifié par Darkmoone1, 10 février 2010 - 06:52 .

[Eleinehmm]

Caz Neerg - They are mostly absolutely outdated – I am yet to see a person who fits any of ethnic stereotypes



Dethateer - Um, where are you from ? – Never thought it to be such a big issue

[Dethateer]

Romania. *melts in shame*

[Caz Neerg]

Eleinehmm wrote...
Caz Neerg - They are mostly absolutely outdated – I am yet to see a person who fits any of ethnic stereotypes

Really?  You've never met a smart Asian, a socialist Frenchman, or a British person who likes tea?  No Russians who like vodka or Irish people who really like to get drunk?  No Japanese people who are all work and no play?

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Caz Neerg wrote...

Eleinehmm wrote...
Caz Neerg - They are mostly absolutely outdated – I am yet to see a person who fits any of ethnic stereotypes

Really?  You've never met a smart Asian, a socialist Frenchman, or a British person who likes tea?  No Russians who like vodka or Irish people who really like to get drunk?  No Japanese people who are all work and no play?

Holy fcking goodness you are stupid. You're listing nationalities pal, we're talking about being Jewish, or a Gypsy. Western Society is growing too multiethnic for stereotypes to be even remotely legitimate... get out of the 50's bro.

[Anthropophobic]

The turians reminded me of the Romans at first, but I wasn't sure because apparently the asari are the most powerful of the Council races (but only by a slight margin). I thought the Romans were always on top--at least during the late Republic and first couple hundred years of the Empire--so I thought I might have been wrong.



But anyway, I looked it up, and apparently they are based on the Romans after all. Turian comes from "centurion." Palaven comes from "Palatine Hill," as someone said earlier.

[Collider]

ShadowWolf_Kell wrote...

SarEnyaDor wrote...

Krogans are obviously Spartans.

Not really.  Sparta was probably the most advanced democratic environment within ancient Greece (and Europe), and the ONLY one who gave women an equal say.


Or to put it bluntly, they were way ahead of their time in many of their views.  Krogan are much more similar to the barbarian hordes (and even used the same tactics before the Genophage.)

The fact there are female Krogan warlords doesn't matter...?

[Varenus Luckmann]

fanman72 wrote...

Quarians - European gypsies
Volus - Jews
Batarian - Some muslim extremist rogue state
Krogan - Mongol hordes from hundreds of years ago

Apart from that one Quarian that sounded like some kind of gypsy, I just don't see it in the Quarians. Quarians appears to be honest and hard-working.

I can somewhat get the jewish vibe from the Volus, but I just don't know enough about them to judge. I don't really get where people get it from.

Batarians & Krogans are pretty much spot-on.

[Dethateer]

Egyptians were actually the only ones who gave women perfect equality to men.

[Eleinehmm]

*removed*

You can't change people minds - If they want to believe in stereotypes...

Modifié par Eleinehmm, 10 février 2010 - 07:42 .

[Saurel]

Asari- American yuppies

Quarians- Gypsies with a little bit of Israel

Volus- stereotype Jewish

Batarian- I would go with a subjugated Muslim culture as well

Turians- they seem a bit too stiff and awkwardly perverse for me to associate them with Rome immediately. They kind of remind me of stereotypes of American Military at times. Good and bad.

[Varenus Luckmann]

Vengeful Nature wrote...

Right, so every member of one of the various races and ethnic groups of this wonderfully varied planet all have the same interests, aptitudes and values...

I knew a Jewish girl once who was hopeless at finances. She had to get her blonde friend to help her.

Stereotypes are not your friend.

A stereotype is a stereotype. The very meaning of the word dictates that it won't fit every type. It's a cultural or racial average, or the perception of that average. Obviously, there's going to be jews that are horrible at finances, and gypsies that don't steal.

It doesn't make the stereotype in-apt.

Modifié par Varenus Luckmann, 10 février 2010 - 07:21 .

[Spazticus]

Caz Neerg wrote...

Eleinehmm wrote...
Caz Neerg - They are mostly absolutely outdated – I am yet to see a person who fits any of ethnic stereotypes

Really?  You've never met a smart Asian, a socialist Frenchman, or a British person who likes tea?  No Russians who like vodka or Irish people who really like to get drunk?  No Japanese people who are all work and no play?

Even if some people meet the "criteria" for some of the inferences you make here, that doesn't change the fact that most stereotypes in human history were specifically designed to be divisive, dismissive, and dehumanizing. Even the "positive" stereotypes can be divisive: "You're Asian, so you must be smart!" The truth of the stereotype is absolutely irrelevant. My point here is, stereotypes suck. Even if there is a ring of truth, there are far too many poeple in this world who refuse to see beyond a stereotype.

[Dayson_Dawn]

I've always looked at the Justicars somewhat like the Jedi

[Saurel]

Varenus Luckmann wrote...

fanman72 wrote...

Quarians - European gypsies
Volus - Jews
Batarian - Some muslim extremist rogue state
Krogan - Mongol hordes from hundreds of years ago

Apart from that one Quarian that sounded like some kind of gypsy, I just don't see it in the Quarians. Quarians appears to be honest and hard-working.

I can somewhat get the jewish vibe from the Volus, but I just don't know enough about them to judge. I don't really get where people get it from.

Do you think gypsies are all a bunch of thieves and such? They certainly arent similar to the gypsies in Drag Me to Hell

And the Volus seem to be primarily merchantile. Which one could associate with Jews in early historical periods in which banking and being part of the merchant class were their only options. You could also go with the stereotype a lot of people have of  Jews being cheap...which some Volus come across as.

[Eleinehmm]

Spazticus wrote...

Caz Neerg wrote...

Eleinehmm wrote...
Caz Neerg - They are mostly absolutely outdated – I am yet to see a person who fits any of ethnic stereotypes

Really?  You've never met a smart Asian, a socialist Frenchman, or a British person who likes tea?  No Russians who like vodka or Irish people who really like to get drunk?  No Japanese people who are all work and no play?

Even if some people meet the "criteria" for some of the inferences you make here, that doesn't change the fact that most stereotypes in human history were specifically designed to be divisive, dismissive, and dehumanizing. Even the "positive" stereotypes can be divisive: "You're Asian, so you must be smart!" The truth of the stereotype is absolutely irrelevant. My point here is, stereotypes suck. Even if there is a ring of truth, there are far too many poeple in this world who refuse to see beyond a stereotype.

[Collider]

On topic. Other than the quarians, I didn't really see races are representing or reminding me of any race, ethnic, or religious group. As for the quarians, I was reminded of the gypsies, but only based upon my misconceptions and misinformation, which hardly counts for anything. Instead I saw the races like



Volus: Socially awkward, inept, or funny business people

Salarians: Fast-thinking intellectuals who know more than they let on

Quarian: Underprivileged, closely knit mechanical geniuses ostracized in society

Asari: Patient, proud and sexually free women.

Turians: Proud, stubborn, and disciplined military people.

Krogan: Impatient and aggressive warriors.

Vorcha: Bat**** insane

Hanar: Hide their true thoughts and intentions behind the guise of politeness

Elcor: Patient, courteous and generally amiable people.

[Varenus Luckmann]

Saurel wrote...

Varenus Luckmann wrote...

fanman72 wrote...

Quarians - European gypsies
Volus - Jews
Batarian - Some muslim extremist rogue state
Krogan - Mongol hordes from hundreds of years ago

Apart from that one Quarian that sounded like some kind of gypsy, I just don't see it in the Quarians. Quarians appears to be honest and hard-working.

I can somewhat get the jewish vibe from the Volus, but I just don't know enough about them to judge. I don't really get where people get it from.

Do you think gypsies are all a bunch of thieves and such? They certainly arent similar to the gypsies in Drag Me to Hell

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I don't think I can adequately answer that question without upsetting the board gods.

But yeah, I can see how the primarily-merchentile and cheap Volus can come across as "the Jew". They also seem to have a deep inferiority complex, claiming to be discriminated against in politics, even though they hold considerable influence for a non-council race (they were considered to be the next ones up, until humanity came along). I suppose that fits the bill.

I'm just not getting the "vibe" from them. All the facts are there, but I'm not feeling it. Can't explain it.

[Caz Neerg]

Eleinehmm wrote...

Caz Neerg - Have been living in the RF for the last year - no Russians with vodka love (As one of my coworkers
noted – I drink only when I ride my bear and play balalaika, ) nor drinking Irish either (I've never stayed in Ireland for long, so you can say that it is my own ignorance here :-) ))
Lived in France for 3 years - No notable Socialists detected (BTW – Have never ever heard that particular stereotype before)

Tea is loved universally (True for Canada and Europe at least :-) )) –
Can’t say that the British are something special in this regard -)

Interesting.  My experience, (with Irish-Americans, not actual Irish people) has been that most of those I've met who identify themselves as such absolutely love to get drunk.  As for the French socialist thing, that was just me extrapolating from the love bordering on idolatry that many American socialists I have met have for the French.

Spazticus wrote...
Even if some people meet the "criteria" for some of the inferences you make here, that doesn't change the fact that most stereotypes in human history were specifically designed to be divisive, dismissive, and dehumanizing. Even the "positive" stereotypes can be divisive: "You're Asian, so you must be smart!" The truth of the stereotype is absolutely irrelevant. My point here is, stereotypes suck. Even if there is a ring of truth, there are far too many poeple in this world who refuse to see beyond a stereotype.

Failure to see beyond a stereotype when presented with evidence that it doesn't apply to a particular individual is just silly.  That doesn't remove the utility of stereotypes when you don't yet have access to idiosyncratic facts about a given individual though.  If you are playing a pick-up game of basketball with a bunch of people you don't know, who are you more likely to want on your team, the six and a half foot tall black guy, or the five foot asian guy?  When you're picking an event planner for a friend's bachelor party, do you go with the minister's wife who plans most of the local church get-togethers?  Probably not.

Modifié par Caz Neerg, 10 février 2010 - 07:45 .

[cancausecancer]

Quarians - Roma

Those fat little guys - Jewish ppl

Drell - Italian gangsters, "it'd be a pity if something happened to ur lovely starship'

Krogan - African Americans

The elephant type dudes who are slow speakers - East Africans

Asari - Eastern Europeans