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[Abirn]

Chief Savage Man wrote...

The volus are skilled at finance but hold little military power, much like the Jewish people for most of history. That being said, this thread is headed for disaster.

Israel has one of the most well trained and kick ass armies in the entire world......

[Eleinehmm]

Caz Neerg wrote...

  If you are playing a pick-up game of basketball with a bunch of people you don't know, who are you more likely to want on your team, the six and a half foot tall black guy, or the five foot asian guy? 

Umm - Can't I just ask them about it  ?  -  Seems like a good move to me..

[Forest03]

Quarians are nothing like gypsies. If people are arriving at the conclusion that they are simply because they live on a flotila, it's still wrong. A mass exodus was forced upon their people. They were never nomadic to begin with. If anything, that would make their history comparable to the early Jewish settlers who came to Israel (if my recollection of history is correct).



However, if Tali's accent is to be used as a point of reference, she sounds Polish, possibly Czek - or perhaps some other language of Slavik origin. The problem is that there are so many variations among the Quarian characters. This suggests that there may have been different tribes on their homeworld, and their communal identities were simply transposed into ship names instead of family or locale names.



The Krogan are composed of many warring tribes, suggesting a basis on African or Nordic history.



The Elcor and Volus ... I'm not sure about these two. They seem to be the most proliferate traders in the game world, which would make them comparable to early Mediterranean and North African (Turkish, Egyptian) subcultures.



I haven't thought about the others in depth enough to make comparisons right now. I gotta run, but I might come up with something later.

[Rankao]

I think the Galaxy views Quarians as gypsies, but Quarians are more like Galatica Survivors.

[ushae]

There is no clear stereotype in this game, each race has a large mix of influences.

Quarians - Close knit family community, covered heads/suits, unwelcome in most places especially by the Volus. Feels like a mix of Muslims (my people), Eastern Europeans and a little bit of China.

Volus - Often corrupt, opportunistic and excel at business. Clan type structure. Reminds me of western politicians.

Turians - Autocratic society, disciplined and strong willed (arrogant sometimes). These guys are mix of Russian style discipline and the UN, they believe in a united galaxy drawing strengths from all races but holding a grudge against humanity. They do things for the greater good, and are willing to sacrifice to do that.

Krogan - These guys are powerful, strong and have an incredible sense of duty and honour. They feel like the cultures from the medieval times where strength meant everything in life. Mix of African and South American.

Asari - Beautiful, elegant, gifted in biotics and have an affinity for all races. They don't compare to any culture in our world, their too different. Almost flawless.

Drell - Slick, incredible memory and affiinity for biotics. Sound like japanese assassins mixed with Italian hitmen to me.

Salarians - Intelligent and hyperactive. Mix of western and chinese/japanese influences.

Modifié par ushae, 10 février 2010 - 08:20 .

[masterjedirobyn]

damnit, you humans are all racist!

[Spazticus]

Caz Neerg wrote...
Failure to see beyond a stereotype when presented with evidence that it doesn't apply to a particular individual is just silly.  That doesn't remove the utility of stereotypes when you don't yet have access to idiosyncratic facts about a given individual though.  If you are playing a pick-up game of basketball with a bunch of people you don't know, who are you more likely to want on your team, the six and a half foot tall black guy, or the five foot asian guy?  When you're picking an event planner for a friend's bachelor party, do you go with the minister's wife who plans most of the local church get-togethers?  Probably not.

You actually proved a point of my post, there. By posing the question on basketball as you did, you're failing to see past the stereotype. In reality, it wouldn't matter one whit to me what race the person is. If they have skills, that trumps everything else, including height. Height won't help you if you lack the agility to block a shot.

As for the second example, that's a terribly weak argument. No one would expect such a woman to plan a bachelor party, because her implied morals, as you paint them, are opposed to events like that. Besides that, if I know someone to be devoutly religious, why would I ask them to get involved with something so objectively secular? If I have a modicum of  understanding of her beliefs, it would probably be offensive, at the very least.

Once again, stereotypes suck. I've been a victim of racism before, both implied and direct. Stereotypes are often a passive way for people to project their racism, and make the targets seem less human, further enforcing those beliefs. Eventually, the stereotype becomes innate to the belief, and then the belief becomes immutable truth. Responding with reason and understanding is just about the only way to break the vicious cycle.

[dan107]

Jacob reminds me of black people. I wonder why..

[Forest03]

lol @ masterjedirobyn



Re: Drell - We haven't seen enough of their people in the game to make a proper comparison. Thane is certainly quite the samurai type, except he employs stealth like a ninja. He views his body as little more than a tool for killing, and yet he has a very spiritual nature.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Forest03 wrote...
Quarians are nothing like gypsies. If people are arriving at the conclusion that they are simply because they live on a flotila, it's still wrong. A mass exodus was forced upon their people. They were never nomadic to begin with. If anything, that would make their history comparable to the early Jewish settlers who came to Israel (if my recollection of history is correct).

The ancient Hebrews were in fact nomads. When they entered Egypt as the Hyksos ("Shepperd kings") and when they left to Canaan. Originall, they come from the Amorites, who themselves were nomads who came from Arabia.

My opinion.
Asari Republics: Mediterranean city-states (Greek, Anatolian, Phoenician, Carthaginian and Roman). They give a vibe of antiquity by being one of the older races. Also, they seem to have a "mediterranean attitude", as in being open. Also similar to the Amazons (Greek myth), being an all female race.
 
Turian Hierarchy: I think they are based on Prussia in the 18th century. The idea of every citizen being a professional soldiers is very Prussia like in the 18th century, before th French "levee en masse". In addition, Turian society can be sumarised as this: "Think whatever you want, as long as you obey", which was the motto of Friederich the Great, King of Prussia. Plus the unification wars bears similarity with the German unification, spearheaded by Prussia.

Salarians: Their society is feudal and matriachal. Also based on family and clans. I would say the Salarians resemble feudal Italy. Maybe feudal Japan as well? I am not too sure about this one though.

Volus: Bankers and the creators of galactic economy. In a European context, that position was held by the British and somewhat the Austrians. But a large apart of this economic system was aided by Jewish bankers.

Krogans: Mongol clans and horde.

Quarians: Israelis / Palestinians imo. Both suffer / suffered from diaspora. Both were mistrusted by others. Both wanted / still want a home. Also a bit of gypsy, as people see them as thiefs and many complain about the migrant fleet stealign ressources when it goes. But such is the case for nomadic peoples.
 
Batarians: we never got to see their nations. We only see a few pirates and terrorists. I owuld say they are disgruntled "thrid galaxy" nation.  In the news reports, I heard them mentioning a caste system. Furthermore, the Batarian hegemony has isolated itself from the galactic community. That fits North Korea well.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 10 février 2010 - 08:40 .

[Thermorium]

IMO turians are based on roman civilisation. There is enough evidence in the codex to back this up, for example their military doctrine.

[Eleinehmm]

Spazticus wrote...

Caz Neerg wrote...
Failure to see beyond a stereotype when presented with evidence that it doesn't apply to a particular individual is just silly.  That doesn't remove the utility of stereotypes when you don't yet have access to idiosyncratic facts about a given individual though.  If you are playing a pick-up game of basketball with a bunch of people you don't know, who are you more likely to want on your team, the six and a half foot tall black guy, or the five foot asian guy?  When you're picking an event planner for a friend's bachelor party, do you go with the minister's wife who plans most of the local church get-togethers?  Probably not.

You actually proved a point of my post, there. By posing the question on basketball as you did, you're failing to see past the stereotype. In reality, it wouldn't matter one whit to me what race the person is. If they have skills, that trumps everything else, including height. Height won't help you if you lack the agility to block a shot.

As for the second example, that's a terribly weak argument. No one would expect such a woman to plan a bachelor party, because her implied morals, as you paint them, are opposed to events like that. Besides that, if I know someone to be devoutly religious, why would I ask them to get involved with something so objectively secular? If I have a modicum of  understanding of her beliefs, it would probably be offensive, at the very least.

Once again, stereotypes suck. I've been a victim of racism before, both implied and direct. Stereotypes are often a passive way for people to project their racism, and make the targets seem less human, further enforcing those beliefs. Eventually, the stereotype becomes innate to the belief, and then the belief becomes immutable truth. Responding with reason and understanding is just about the only way to break the vicious cycle.

I would like to shake you handB) - I wonder how many people here have ever been in minority positions...

[jerryl]

Quarians - Irish or Native Americans
Geth\\Collectors - English
Reapers - USA

[ManBearPig91]

fanman72 wrote...
Volus - Jews
 

You win at the internetz.

[Big Yam]

Volus = computer nerd. 

[Caz Neerg]

Spazticus wrote...
You actually proved a point of my post, there. By posing the question on basketball as you did, you're failing to see past the stereotype. In reality, it wouldn't matter one whit to me what race the person is. If they have skills, that trumps everything else, including height. Height won't help you if you lack the agility to block a shot.

As for the second example, that's a terribly weak argument. No one would expect such a woman to plan a bachelor party, because her implied morals, as you paint them, are opposed to events like that. Besides that, if I know someone to be devoutly religious, why would I ask them to get involved with something so objectively secular? If I have a modicum of  understanding of her beliefs, it would probably be offensive, at the very least.

Once again, stereotypes suck. I've been a victim of racism before, both implied and direct. Stereotypes are often a passive way for people to project their racism, and make the targets seem less human, further enforcing those beliefs. Eventually, the stereotype becomes innate to the belief, and then the belief becomes immutable truth. Responding with reason and understanding is just about the only way to break the vicious cycle.

Outside of a limited number of mathematical and scientific facts, there are no immutable truths.  Only perceptions which are more or less justifiable based on available evidence.  If you have never met a group of individuals, and have not seen their skills, then all you have to go on is guess work in picking a team.  If the *only* knowledge you have is of the superficial type which can be gained from looking at someone, a reasonable person who wants to win the basketball game will pick a tall black guy over a short asian.  Granted, I am combining two stereotypes to make the choice easy.  If it were a short black guy vs. a tall asian, the stereotypes would conflict with each other, making them less useful in decision making.

In judging a given individual's fitness for a certain task, you should make use of all available information.  If the only information you have is superficial, then that reduces your ability to make a good decision, but ignoring information just because it is of a type that is considered politically incorrect makes your decision less likely to be a practically appropriate one, not more likely.  Does it suck when a stereotype is applied to a person by others, in a case where it is demonstrably true that the stereotype doesn't fit?  Sure, that sucks.  It also sucks when people refuse to treat someone who *does* fit a stereotype accordingly, out of fear of being condemned for catering to stereotypes.  Which kind of condemnation does happen, probably as often as people are inappropriately stereotyped.

Modifié par Caz Neerg, 10 février 2010 - 09:11 .

[ManBearPig91]

jerryl wrote...

Quarians - Irish or Native Americans
Geth\\\\Collectors - English
Reapers - USA

Your dad raped you as a child didn't he? It's OK, your mom is safe with me now.

[binaryemperor]

jerryl wrote...
Reapers - USA

LOL, which part are you referring to, the mindless destruction part, or the "better than all life" part?

[binaryemperor]

Abirn wrote...

Chief Savage Man wrote...

The volus are skilled at finance but hold little military power, much like the Jewish people for most of history. That being said, this thread is headed for disaster.

Israel has one of the most well trained and kick ass armies in the entire world......

heh, if you survive training through the Israeli Air Force, you're considered a pilot.  It's an effective method.

[jerryl]

ManBearPig91 wrote...

jerryl wrote...

Quarians - Irish or Native Americans
Geth\\\\\\\\Collectors - English
Reapers - USA

Your dad raped you as a child didn't he? It's OK, your mom is safe with me now.

My parents have been dead a long time you a******.By the way,I am American & proud of it.

[binaryemperor]

I always figured stereotypes to be outdated ideals, or just really ambiguous cultural traits that are just apparent in all people.



Kind of like saying "what's up" vs "hello". they don't imply anything about a person's character, but they are a subtle hint at how the person lives their life.



I think it is just a part of the brain's attempt to organize and catalog people. Trends can be perceived that may seem significant, but are really just normal or circumstantial.



Now I'm just rambling...

[Saurel]

ushae wrote...

Asari - Beautiful, elegant, gifted in biotics and have an affinity for all races. They don't compare to any culture in our world, their too different. Almost flawless.

No they aren't perfect. They are a freakin catty bunch on Illium.

[binaryemperor]

Saurel wrote...

ushae wrote...

Asari - Beautiful, elegant, gifted in biotics and have an affinity for all races. They don't compare to any culture in our world, their too different. Almost flawless.

No they aren't perfect. They are a freakin catty bunch on Illium.

Yeah, Asari are very far away from perfect.  They are just smart because they live a freaking long time. They know all the tricks.

[Barhador]

Nobody spoke of the hanar yet.

[Burdokva]

If the Quarians are based on gypsies, then it's the mystified and romantic perception of gypsies on Western views, take the modern Disney interpretaton Hugo's "Notre Dame de Paris" for example. I can fully agree with that. Modern, real gypsies as we actually see and know them in Eastern Europe - not by a long shot.



To me the Quarian's are something of a mix between the mentioned Western romanticized gypsies and the nomadic people of the East during Great Migration in the Dark Ages. The latter, while called "barbarians" by the Roman world, actually were sophisticated people with advanced knowledge in architecture, military and state organization. Tight-knit families, migration, relatively smaller population than the settled peoples of Europe.



Turians are something between a republican Roman and early XXth century Japanese societies. Very regal, incredibly dutiful and with strong sense of justice and uniqueness. They also seem to have a stricter personal cod of morals than the other ME races. Also, a military and technological powerhouse.



Salarians... don't know, honestly. They just don't seem so fleshed-out to me as the other races to compare them to Earth cultures. Krogans are just warmongering idiots with a sick sense of honor.