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[ManBearPig91]

srry double post

Modifié par ManBearPig91, 11 février 2010 - 01:04 .

[Ibby1kanobi]

ManBearPig91 wrote...

Ibby1kanobi wrote...

ManBearPig91 wrote...

Ibby1kanobi wrote...
I'm Muslim and I find likening us to Batarians is funny....seeing as how most of the world sees America/Americans as extremists (you relialize that most of the world hates America)....

Racism=Not Fun.

Americans, much like the batarians, are adept at hi-jacking large flying objects and crashing them into civillian population centers.

No, they're adapt at bombing civilians back to the stone age for no good reason. You've committed 100 9-11s against Iraqis up till now.

You invaded Iraq for 2,000 lives, even though they had no connection to the terrorist attacks. You've killed 200,000, and you're surprised why some would fly planes into buildings?

Wait... I thought they flew planes into the world trade center before Iraq, or am I just confused? And when did I ever say that I was an American?

I admit it's important to remember what a great guy Sadam was. There were rainbows and chocolate rivers and gum drop trees in Iraq before the US invasion. More importantly the children all frolicked in the street. It's not like Sadam ever gassed the kurds or invaded Iran or Kuwait or anything crazy like that.

And after the united states invaved, there was never a civil war between the Iraqis or anything. Nobody ended up dead because they decided to blow up eachother's mosques.

This isn't the first time America or their allies have killed Muslims at American approval.

And the United States didn't much care about Sadam's methods when they were feeding him CIA intelligence and approved his plan of invading Iran. Nor did they care about the Talibans methods when they were supplying and training them to fight the Soviets.

Sadam and the Taliban were acting in that manner when the American government sided with them. Hypocritical much?

Honestly, I would probably read a book or something before getting into a debate with someone. You clearly need to brush up on your history (don't go to MTV for that though).

[ManBearPig91]

Ibby1kanobi wrote...

ManBearPig91 wrote...

Ibby1kanobi wrote...

ManBearPig91 wrote...

Ibby1kanobi wrote...
I'm Muslim and I find likening us to Batarians is funny....seeing as how most of the world sees America/Americans as extremists (you relialize that most of the world hates America)....

Racism=Not Fun.

Americans, much like the batarians, are adept at hi-jacking large flying objects and crashing them into civillian population centers.

No, they're adapt at bombing civilians back to the stone age for no good reason. You've committed 100 9-11s against Iraqis up till now.

You invaded Iraq for 2,000 lives, even though they had no connection to the terrorist attacks. You've killed 200,000, and you're surprised why some would fly planes into buildings?

Wait... I thought they flew planes into the world trade center before Iraq, or am I just confused? And when did I ever say that I was an American?

I admit it's important to remember what a great guy Sadam was. There were rainbows and chocolate rivers and gum drop trees in Iraq before the US invasion. More importantly the children all frolicked in the street. It's not like Sadam ever gassed the kurds or invaded Iran or Kuwait or anything crazy like that.

And after the united states invaved, there was never a civil war between the Iraqis or anything. Nobody ended up dead because they decided to blow up eachother's mosques.

This isn't the first time America or their allies have killed Muslims at American approval.

And the United States didn't much care about Sadam's methods when they were feeding him CIA intelligence and approved his plan of invading Iran. Nor did they care about the Talibans methods when they were supplying and training them to fight the Soviets.

Sadam and the Taliban were acting in that manner when the American government sided with them. Hypocritical much?

Honestly, I would probably read a book or something before getting into a debate with someone. You clearly need to brush up on your history (don't go to MTV for that though).

First let me say I like how quickly you jumped to the condescending comment about my education. In my personal experience its always an excellent way to cow the opposition. Shuts them up very well, and always is worth using as soon as you run out of intelligent things to say yourself. More importantly if you ever tried looking for historical facts on MTV, I'm very sorry for you (if you didn't know the M stands for Music).

I'm also glad you accounted for all the Iraqi on Iraqi violence in your reply to me. That really clarifies your position in my mind.

If I recall correctly the Taliban was not nearly so brutal or corrupt while fighting the Soviets, and for all your concern about the well being of Muslim countries, shouldn't support of the Taliban be a good thing? The CIA never told the Taliban to beat people for having beards that are too short, or fly jets into American buildings. The CIA said "here's some cash and guns, now do whatever you need to do to get your country back". There was also talk of American aid in reconstructing afghanistan post soviet invasion, but bureaucracy killed that one.

Also when Iraq invaded Iran with CIA intelligence, it wasn't like the Iranians had taken the American embassy hostage a few years earlier or declared war against the US or anything.

And also RE America bombing Iraq into the stone age, that's why Americans are there now building schools, roads, and government infrastructure, right?

[Forest03]

Considering the parallels between a virtual construct and our own world history is a valid and a potentially profound discussion thread, especially for a game with so much lore as the ME game world. I, for one, (and I'm sure just one among many others) am fascinated with history and how its elements are portrayed in entertainment. That said, stereotypes, no matter how unacceptable, will be inevitable; so feel free to provide your own information if someone says something ignorant.



However, relevant to current events or otherwise, take your damn flame wars and attempts to justify any type of political views and actions elsewhere. They are not welcome here. First of all, this is a gamer's forum. Second, you are not furthering your own cause with radical statements, no matter how politically correct you think you are. You want to make a difference and open someone's eyes? Go write an article for a newspaper or magazine.



Let's all cut the crap and get on with our lives and enjoy ME for what it is, a freaking game (in case anyone actually forgot that's what it is).





Anyways. Back on topic...



Re: Hanar and religious advocates - The preaching Hanar from ME1 reminded me a lot of the solicitors I used to get in our old neighborhood many years ago... as well as that loud and strange old man handing out flyers at a certain downtown intersection in Toronto o_O

[Ibby1kanobi]

ManBearPig91 wrote...

Ibby1kanobi wrote...

ManBearPig91 wrote...

Ibby1kanobi wrote...

ManBearPig91 wrote...

Ibby1kanobi wrote...
I'm Muslim and I find likening us to Batarians is funny....seeing as how most of the world sees America/Americans as extremists (you relialize that most of the world hates America)....

Racism=Not Fun.

Americans, much like the batarians, are adept at hi-jacking large flying objects and crashing them into civillian population centers.

No, they're adapt at bombing civilians back to the stone age for no good reason. You've committed 100 9-11s against Iraqis up till now.

You invaded Iraq for 2,000 lives, even though they had no connection to the terrorist attacks. You've killed 200,000, and you're surprised why some would fly planes into buildings?

Wait... I thought they flew planes into the world trade center before Iraq, or am I just confused? And when did I ever say that I was an American?

I admit it's important to remember what a great guy Sadam was. There were rainbows and chocolate rivers and gum drop trees in Iraq before the US invasion. More importantly the children all frolicked in the street. It's not like Sadam ever gassed the kurds or invaded Iran or Kuwait or anything crazy like that.

And after the united states invaved, there was never a civil war between the Iraqis or anything. Nobody ended up dead because they decided to blow up eachother's mosques.

This isn't the first time America or their allies have killed Muslims at American approval.

And the United States didn't much care about Sadam's methods when they were feeding him CIA intelligence and approved his plan of invading Iran. Nor did they care about the Talibans methods when they were supplying and training them to fight the Soviets.

Sadam and the Taliban were acting in that manner when the American government sided with them. Hypocritical much?

Honestly, I would probably read a book or something before getting into a debate with someone. You clearly need to brush up on your history (don't go to MTV for that though).

First let me say I like how quickly you jumped to the condescending comment about my education. In my personal experience its always an excellent way to cow the opposition. Shuts them up very well, and always is worth using as soon as you run out of intelligent things to say yourself. More importantly if you ever tried looking for historical facts on MTV, I'm very sorry for you (if you didn't know the M stands for Music).

I'm also glad you accounted for all the Iraqi on Iraqi violence in your reply to me. That really clarifies your position in my mind.

If I recall correctly the Taliban was not nearly so brutal or corrupt while fighting the Soviets, and for all your concern about the well being of Muslim countries, shouldn't support of the Taliban be a good thing? The CIA never told the Taliban to beat people for having beards that are too short, or fly jets into American buildings. The CIA said "here's some cash and guns, now do whatever you need to do to get your country back". There was also talk of American aid in reconstructing afghanistan post soviet invasion, but bureaucracy killed that one.

Also when Iraq invaded Iran with CIA intelligence, it wasn't like the Iranians had taken the American embassy hostage a few years earlier or declared war against the US or anything.

And also RE America bombing Iraq into the stone age, that's why Americans are there now building schools, roads, and government infrastructure, right?

I know exactly what the M stands for, it was a jab at the lack of historical understanding you have. I didn't try to "cow" you at all. I destroyed your argument logically, and now you've reverted to regurgitating your arguments without addressing the flaws I pointed out in them.

The Taliban was just as brutal, but they were brutal towards the Russians and thier populations. And they DID beat people for engaging in unreligious acts (not beards, but fornication, prostitution, theft, etc), even back then....Shariah Law didn't pop up overnight.

Who cares WHY America supported Sadam and Iraq, the point is they did, even though they knew what sort of person he was. Hypocracy again. Hypocracy all over the place.

They haven't built anything yet. They have plans, and they are shipping a lot of money (which gets stolen by Americans and Iraqis alike). They've done very little building, and a whole butt load of bombing.


BTW, did you know that the economic sanctions America and the UN imposed on Iraq after that war killed millions. They wouldn't even let medicine and food into the country, as a punishment. Only, it didn't affect Sadam, just the innocent people under his boot. 5 million Iraqi babies (just babies btw, this doesn't count adults and adolescents) died due to a lack of medicine and food because of the sanctions. That's a lot of angry fathers. That's a lot of angry Muslims. This is just one instance of why Muslims would feel like they needed to fly planes into buildings. The last 50 years are littered with more instances like these.

Modifié par Ibby1kanobi, 11 février 2010 - 01:31 .

[ManBearPig91]

Forest03 wrote...
Let's all cut the crap and get on with our lives and enjoy ME for what it is, a freaking game (in case anyone actually forgot that's what it is).

Wait a second... hold the phone! Mass Effect is a game? Are you serious?!

Dang man, I'm really glad you pointed that out for me. I wouldn't have realized it on my own.

[Sursion]

Quarians reminded my of Gypsies, and Salarians reminded me of Grey Aliens.



Aside from that, nothing.

[Ibby1kanobi]

Games are serious business....

[ManBearPig91]

Ibby1kanobi wrote...

The Taliban was just as brutal, but they were brutal towards the Russians and thier populations. And they DID beat people for engaging in unreligious acts (not beards, but fornication, prostitution, theft, etc), even back then....Shariah Law didn't pop up overnight.

Who cares WHY America supported Sadam and Iraq, the point is they did, even though they knew what sort of person he was. Hypocracy again. Hypocracy all over the place.

They haven't built anything yet. They have plans, and they are shipping a lot of money (which gets stolen by Americans and Iraqis alike). They've done very little building, and a whole butt load of bombing.


BTW, did you know that the economic sanctions America and the UN imposed on Iraq after that war killed millions. They wouldn't even let medicine and food into the country, as a punishment. Only, it didn't affect Sadam, just the innocent people under his boot. 5 million Iraqi babies (just babies btw, this doesn't count adults and adolescents) died due to a lack of medicine and food because of the sanctions. That's a lot of angry fathers. That's a lot of angry Muslims. This is just one instance of why Muslims would feel like they needed to fly planes into buildings. The last 50 years are littered with more instances like these.

You seem to be confused here. I have destroyed your argument logically. Look, I can do it to, you see? Its easy to type I WIN!

You really think the CIA explicitly said to the Taliban 'Impose Sharia Law on Afghanistan'? Furthermore if Sharia is such a bad thing (and it exists in some form or another in nearly every Muslim nation out there), wouldn't it be more justified for the people in those countries to fly jets into the buildings of their government? If Sharia was the problem with the Taliban, then Americans may be jerks for helping them, but the greater problem on a whole is Sharia.

Also, about America not doing anything to Iraq, maybe the Iraqis already blew up everything America built for them? If America was really there to just kill Iraqis, why would they stick around for 7 years and spend 3 trillion dollars if they had no intent to build anything?

And RE the sanctions by US/UN, why didn't anybody fly a jet into the UN building for that one? Oh wait, Muslim nations make up the largest single faction/block in the UN...

Alright, time to go write a paper about Hamlet. I think my thesis is going to be about how the ghost is actually George W Bush trying to lead Hamlet to wreck up everything in Denmark.

[blank1]

I'm just trying to ascertain why people think the Quarians are Gypsy allegory, when they're not really traveling entertainers that steal stuff.



P.S.



This thread is gay :3

[blank1]

Ibby1kanobi wrote...

Games are serious business....

Also, I enjoyed your cries of hypocricy, when you're trying you're damned hardest to be divisive in light of your signature.

*golf clap*

[Shadowfire67]

I see quarians as muslims.

[Ibby1kanobi]

blank1 wrote...

Ibby1kanobi wrote...

Games are serious business....

Also, I enjoyed your cries of hypocricy, when you're trying you're damned hardest to be divisive in light of your signature.

*golf clap*

You can't create cooperation and unity with the misinformed or ignorant. Thanks for joining the fray and giving such insightful comments.

[ManBearPig91]

Shadowfire67 wrote...

I see quarians as muslims.

Just because they cover their heads!!! Isn't that stereotypical?!

[Ibby1kanobi]

ManBearPig91 wrote...

Ibby1kanobi wrote...

The Taliban was just as brutal, but they were brutal towards the Russians and thier populations. And they DID beat people for engaging in unreligious acts (not beards, but fornication, prostitution, theft, etc), even back then....Shariah Law didn't pop up overnight.

Who cares WHY America supported Sadam and Iraq, the point is they did, even though they knew what sort of person he was. Hypocracy again. Hypocracy all over the place.

They haven't built anything yet. They have plans, and they are shipping a lot of money (which gets stolen by Americans and Iraqis alike). They've done very little building, and a whole butt load of bombing.


BTW, did you know that the economic sanctions America and the UN imposed on Iraq after that war killed millions. They wouldn't even let medicine and food into the country, as a punishment. Only, it didn't affect Sadam, just the innocent people under his boot. 5 million Iraqi babies (just babies btw, this doesn't count adults and adolescents) died due to a lack of medicine and food because of the sanctions. That's a lot of angry fathers. That's a lot of angry Muslims. This is just one instance of why Muslims would feel like they needed to fly planes into buildings. The last 50 years are littered with more instances like these.

You seem to be confused here. I have destroyed your argument logically. Look, I can do it to, you see? Its easy to type I WIN!

You really think the CIA explicitly said to the Taliban 'Impose Sharia Law on Afghanistan'? Furthermore if Sharia is such a bad thing (and it exists in some form or another in nearly every Muslim nation out there), wouldn't it be more justified for the people in those countries to fly jets into the buildings of their government? If Sharia was the problem with the Taliban, then Americans may be jerks for helping them, but the greater problem on a whole is Sharia.

Also, about America not doing anything to Iraq, maybe the Iraqis already blew up everything America built for them? If America was really there to just kill Iraqis, why would they stick around for 7 years and spend 3 trillion dollars if they had no intent to build anything?

And RE the sanctions by US/UN, why didn't anybody fly a jet into the UN building for that one? Oh wait, Muslim nations make up the largest single faction/block in the UN...

Alright, time to go write a paper about Hamlet. I think my thesis is going to be about how the ghost is actually George W Bush trying to lead Hamlet to wreck up everything in Denmark.

Again. The point about Iraq and Afghanistan has nothing to do with their history. It's the point that America supported those regimes even when they knew exactly what they were. There was Sharia BEFORE the CIA came there, and Sadam was doing what he was doing BEFORE the CIA came. The point is they supported those two inspite of that.

Largest single faction who's voice doesn't count. One vote from America and the majorities will is overruled. Apparently you don't know how the UN works. Furthermore, it was an American lead initiative. That's why they took the brunt of the hate.

America is there because it's trying to impose a puppet and gain a foothold in the Middle East at the behest of Israel. Not because they're trying to rebuild anything. The only way to accomplish that end is to kill all "extremists". Because if they don't, the second America leaves, their puppet gets deposed and beheaded.

[KnightofPhoenix]

ManBearPig91 wrote...

Furthermore if Sharia is such a bad thing (and it exists in some form or another in nearly every Muslim nation out there),

haha nope. Not a single country practises true Sharia law. The Taliban were drug trafficers. Iran is ruled by Shia, considered heritics by the mainstream Muslims. And the Saudis have interest banks, which is against Sharia law.
All of them came up with baseless and inacurrate interpretations for their own ends, established by very small sects (wahhabism, shia, talibans...etc). 

And this is way off topic and I suggest both of you take it to pms. 

[blank1]

Ibby1kanobi wrote...

blank1 wrote...

Ibby1kanobi wrote...

Games are serious business....

Also, I enjoyed your cries of hypocricy, when you're trying you're damned hardest to be divisive in light of your signature.

*golf clap*

You can't create cooperation and unity with the misinformed or ignorant. Thanks for joining the fray and giving such insightful comments.

Hah, classic. "Cooperation and unity, ON MY TERMS INFIDEL!"

You are the cancer killing the world, sir.

[Heimdall]

So this thread is meant to compare species to stereotypes for various groups... Seems like racism or some other ism

[blank1]

I know, the fact that this thread is still standing must mean the mods are sleeping... or enjoying themselves?

[fanman72]

I started this thread to partly stir up the masses and create some heated arguments. MISSION ACCOMPLISHED

[blank1]

Cheap cop out, you're not a troll, you were dead serious.

[Heimdall]

fanman72 wrote...

I started this thread to partly stir up the masses and create some heated arguments. MISSION ACCOMPLISHED

Oh if that's the case, then well done good sir!

[Ibby1kanobi]

blank1 wrote...

Ibby1kanobi wrote...

blank1 wrote...

Ibby1kanobi wrote...

Games are serious business....

Also, I enjoyed your cries of hypocricy, when you're trying you're damned hardest to be divisive in light of your signature.

*golf clap*

You can't create cooperation and unity with the misinformed or ignorant. Thanks for joining the fray and giving such insightful comments.

Hah, classic. "Cooperation and unity, ON MY TERMS INFIDEL!"

You are the cancer killing the world, sir.

Wow....I can't say that comment is too surprising. Idiot's always make purely personal and racist attacks. Nothing factual or intelligent in there at all.

The cancer is actually ignorant people like yourself, who contribute nothing but idioicy and hate.

I'm not trying to impose my terms on anyone. I'm having a debate with someone who thinks differently than me. You just make personal attacks.

Again, thank you for that insightful input.

[blank1]

Ibby1kanobi wrote...

blank1 wrote...

Ibby1kanobi wrote...

blank1 wrote...

Ibby1kanobi wrote...

Games are serious business....

Also, I enjoyed your cries of hypocricy, when you're trying you're damned hardest to be divisive in light of your signature.

*golf clap*

You can't create cooperation and unity with the misinformed or ignorant. Thanks for joining the fray and giving such insightful comments.

Hah, classic. "Cooperation and unity, ON MY TERMS INFIDEL!"

You are the cancer killing the world, sir.

Wow....I can't say that comment is too surprising. Idiot's always make purely personal and racist attacks. Nothing factual or intelligent in there at all.

The cancer is actually ignorant people like yourself, who contribute nothing but idioicy and hate.

I'm not trying to impose my terms on anyone. I'm having a debate with someone who thinks differently than me. You just make personal attacks.

Again, thank you for that insightful input.

Pray tell how you quantify anything I've written as "igornace" or "hate?" Because I called you out for being a hypocrite?

I'd like to see you justify this one :3

[Ibby1kanobi]

blank1 wrote...

Ibby1kanobi wrote...

blank1 wrote...

Ibby1kanobi wrote...

blank1 wrote...

Ibby1kanobi wrote...

Games are serious business....

Also, I enjoyed your cries of hypocricy, when you're trying you're damned hardest to be divisive in light of your signature.

*golf clap*

You can't create cooperation and unity with the misinformed or ignorant. Thanks for joining the fray and giving such insightful comments.

Hah, classic. "Cooperation and unity, ON MY TERMS INFIDEL!"

You are the cancer killing the world, sir.

Wow....I can't say that comment is too surprising. Idiot's always make purely personal and racist attacks. Nothing factual or intelligent in there at all.

The cancer is actually ignorant people like yourself, who contribute nothing but idioicy and hate.

I'm not trying to impose my terms on anyone. I'm having a debate with someone who thinks differently than me. You just make personal attacks.

Again, thank you for that insightful input.

Pray tell how you quantify anything I've written as "igornace" or "hate?" Because I called you out for being a hypocrite?

I'd like to see you justify this one :3

Very easily. Look at what you wrote. You used the word "Infidel" a stereotype. Then said I was a cancer on society because I disagreed with another forum member, with no reasoning. Just a racist comment and then an attack on me. That makes it both hate-filled and ignorant.

Anything else you'd like me to explain to you? I would hate for your pea-sized brain to overexert itself.