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[jalynntownsend]

i mean wouldn't it be useful against the collectors

[jalynntownsend]

edit reapers

[Cutlass Jack]

Did you see what they were doing in there? It would be like keeping a concentration camp in WWII because it might be 'useful.'

[Talogrungi]

You're not just saving the base, you're giving it to a terrorist organisation.

That doesn't sound like a good plan, tbh.

Also, gotta remember that the reapers tech is all about mind control and stuff. Not the safest type of kit to be poking around in.

[SL22]

Well the Reapers kind of want people to use their own tech so yeah, what are Cerberus going to do when you don't blow up the base?

[Valmy]

Well in my mind it was because Reaper Tech indoctrinates whoever hangs out in it too long. Harbringer would probably just use whoever took over the base to replace the collectors.

[MasterSolo]

jalynntownsend wrote...

i mean wouldn't it be useful against the collectors

Take the example of Bastille...It was a prison, that was holding "evil" people...but it was entirely destroyed.

[NYG1991]

i never thought it was wrong while i was deciding. the main thing that made me destroy it was because of seeing what reaper technology does to organics. the derelict reaper wasn't even alive and it still wrecked the science team on it just from being in contact with the tech. keeping the base just seemed like a bad idea that would blow up in my face, while ,at the same time, not keeping it for use against the reapers felt like i was potentially bringing a knife to a gun fight.



i sat there for a few minutes thinking about it lol. neither choice seemed wrong, also neither choice seemed right

[Arryngow]

There's a line from Legion's dialogue that probably expresses it best: (paraphrasing): "When you use another's technology, you follow a predictable path, and blind yourself to other alternatives."



annnnd giving it to TIM is just an all around BAD idea.

[boardnfool86]

jalynntownsend wrote...

i mean wouldn't it be useful against the collectors

Its not wrong, its just the renegade option, you're not just keeping the base, you're saving it for cerberus

[JaegerBane]

jalynntownsend wrote...

i mean wouldn't it be useful against the collectors

Name one single project where Reaper technology was successfully studied and used on a large scale without everything going ****** up.

There's your answer.

[Mikazukinoyaiba2]

It's like we get one of these threads every day.

[Vengeful Nature]

everyone who has ever studied Reaper technology has been in some way adversely effected by it. Anything that bears a hint of the Reapers has to be destroyed, in my book.

[DaBigDragon]

Cutlass Jack wrote...

Did you see what they were doing in there? It would be like keeping a concentration camp in WWII because it might be 'useful.'

QFT.

[JaegerBane]

Vengeful Nature wrote...

everyone who has ever studied Reaper technology has been in some way adversely effected by it. Anything that bears a hint of the Reapers has to be destroyed, in my book.

The turians managed to make a WTFPWNING cannon by studying Sovereign's bits (ahem). It's not all bad.

I just think there's a distinction between examining pieces of tech and examining a giant fully functional chunk of Reaper juju.

[Jax Sparrow]

I agree with most of the reasons already stated on why saving the Harbinger base for Timmy is a baaaddd idea. Though to maybe clarify:

- ) High Probability prolonged exposure to reaper tech seems to indoctrinate by default.
- ) Using tech that Reapers 'don't' know about is a better idea.
- ) The Harbinger Base and vessels are literally evil personified... like N4z! or KKK evil.
- ) Timmy is a baaaddd duuudddeee...

I have a hunch that he is one of the surviving Prothean scientists from Illos. He clearly has had major body parts replaced with synthetic organic hybrid tech. Which would explain why he is so obsessively myopic.

Modifié par Jax Sparrow, 10 février 2010 - 06:34 .

[BlaiseVoltaire]

They...they melted people and funneled them through tubes.

That's enough of a reason for me to be completely honest.

[loudent3]

For the decision on whether or not to blow up the base I projected what I know of the human condition on our real world here. I know, with certainty, that were such technology present here on earth it would only be a matter of time before someone started it up again.

Then I thought about the TIM and pictured entire worlds of aliens stripped of the lving and fed into the reaper machine to make a personal army for TIM to combat the other reapers. He would cheerfully "reap" the galaxy of all non-humans to further his cause.
In essence, the reapers and TIM only disagree with regards to one race.

Modifié par loudent3, 10 février 2010 - 06:39 .

[Vengeful Nature]

JaegerBane wrote...

Vengeful Nature wrote...

everyone who has ever studied Reaper technology has been in some way adversely effected by it. Anything that bears a hint of the Reapers has to be destroyed, in my book.

The turians managed to make a WTFPWNING cannon by studying Sovereign's bits (ahem). It's not all bad.

I just think there's a distinction between examining pieces of tech and examining a giant fully functional chunk of Reaper juju.

Oh yeah.

Still, Reaper technology in TIM's hands is bad beans.

[Ryuushin]

well u ignoring the fact that that thing is processing live human into its protein shake

[darkdruid117]

I blew it up on my first go but now that I am on my second play through for the game I plan on keeping it. I have to agree that humans would not be able to study it, but since you now have legion on your side perhaps more geth will follow suite and help out. If this is the case then you have a method of study without the side affects of loosing control.

[Flammargent]

There is a strong factual argument against the idea to handing over a collectors/reapers base to Cerberus : their "competence". You shouldn't forget the result of the Cerberus research on rachnis, husks, thorians kreepers, biotics...

The result of the derelict reaper scientific expedition wasn't great either. For all we know, every times Cerberus has tried to use alien technology, they have miserably and dangerously failed. So how can you be foolish enough to give them reaper technology?

[FlintlockJazz]

Arryngow wrote...

There's a line from Legion's dialogue that probably expresses it best: (paraphrasing): "When you use another's technology, you follow a predictable path, and blind yourself to other alternatives."

annnnd giving it to TIM is just an all around BAD idea.

This.  From speaking with Legion to a whole load of other things (including what Sovereign himself said), it is blatantly a bad idea to advance using reaper tech because that is what the reapers want you to do.  It blinds you to alternate paths, which not only may be useful against the reapers themselves but could also lead us away from becoming reapers ourselves.  I mean, come on, does no one see the possibility that the reapers are trying to guide people into the technological and evolutionary dead end they have entered into themselves? 

As Mordin said, it is by overcoming our limitations that we evolve and develop culture, we saw the collectors lacked this and we will no doubt see that the reapers have also walked into this themselves, they claim to have ascended to some true form but does sleeping for thousands of years only to spend a few centuries killing things before going back to sleep sound like a truly meaningful existence?

Like a species that has evolved along a certain path only to find itself at a dead end, the reapers cannot progress any further, and it seems to be the theme of the Mass Effect series that you must find your own path or else risk falling into the same trap set by those before you.  True Ascension is beyond the Reapers' capabilities, that is my theory anyway.

[Spazticus]

darkdruid117 wrote...

I blew it up on my first go but now that I am on my second play through for the game I plan on keeping it. I have to agree that humans would not be able to study it, but since you now have legion on your side perhaps more geth will follow suite and help out. If this is the case then you have a method of study without the side affects of loosing control.

If I'm not mistaken, the Heretic Geth were effectively indoctrinated, too. Regardless of who dives into this acid pool, voluntary or not, someone's getting burned. If for no other reason than to give TIM a one finger salute, and trust that humanity doesn't need to be turned into smoothies in order to win this war... I incinerated the place. What he'd do with that place after the war, and yeah, I'm assuming we will win, is not a pleasant thought.

[Chief Savage Man]

Paragon vs. Renegade isn't exactly good vs. bad every single time. For a lot of the story, Paragon is mistrusting Cerebus while Renegade is trusting them. While the intentions of Cerebus are unclear, saving the base for the Illusive Man's machinations is clearly a signal that you intend to help Cerebus' pro-human agenda. Being intensely pro-human has always been Renegade while promoting intergalactic friendship has been Paragon.